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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word. TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players. - p4NDemik | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
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Babs1337
Australia37 Posts
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Emma Watson
42 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:50 cassecash wrote: It is very common for players of the same team who face each other in the finals to split the winnings, no matter who wins it (nothing wrong with that IMO). I mean come on: Both MVP and Nestea were obviously playing a shwmatch for the fans. Anyone who has seen those 2 players play in the past can't be in their right mind thinking they played their best or were particularly serious. proof? | ||
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thebig1
248 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:55 garlicface wrote: hahahaha holy shit. Okay, you win. This is the post that will make me log off TL for the night. Fuck it, I'm outtie. Yep, having one player with almost 20k/10k and the other with like 2k/8k resources, without there being any major unit trading or battles. Totally not a turtle fest. | ||
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JoelB
Germany311 Posts
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Sooji
United States121 Posts
this is what frightened me about that final. I'm sure they were horribly unimpressed with it. Not to say they would switch anyway, but it would be nice if they had a worthwhile finals. Comparing the level of intricacy in BW matches with that final match leaves me feeling : / Really wish the finals wasn't between two people on the same team. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
I didn't see the games -- had to read the LR -- but you can split the pot and still play to win! I know, it's unthinkable, but it happens all the time in these sorts of situations when players on the same team meet up in the finals or something. 60/40 or 65/35 still gives an incentive for players to play their best! Splitting the prize pot is not the same as arranging the outcome of a match beforehand; it's just evening out the prize pool, especially when there's such a high variance. This happened all the fucking time in War3 (and still happens); ToD and Grubby split quite a hefty pot back in the day -- god, people knew ToD was splitting money since 2005, I believe -- and so long as both players play their best (which I think NesTea and MVP both did since they're both upstanding gentlemen with morals), then it's fine! Anyways, I highly doubt NesTea threw that game, because he is prideful as all get-out; he just played badly in that set, which happens to players, y'know. | ||
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Rayansaki
Portugal1266 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:54 Terranist wrote: you mean the guy with the 92% winrate in ZvZ was afraid of sen? you don't understand, this is their job. they don't mess around with that much money on the line, and they certainly don't split the pot. Why wouldn't they split the pot? If they both believe they have equal chances of winning, then it would be very beneficial for them to make that agreement before the games, so they both eliminate the risk for a slightly smaller prize for the winner. However, I doubt they rigged MVP losing the winners finals tho, and I'd expect them to still play to win the grand finals for the fame, even if the prize was equalized from pot splitting. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:56 bounca wrote: you guys really think someone as good as nestea, at the end would build 28 broods, and attack BUT forget to bring his 4 overseers and his 5 infestors? this isn't even including the beginning of the game where he sits on 15k minerals you have to be delusional as fuck to think it was a serious game and they didn't have an agreement Please show me another game where Nestea plays split map vs T. I can't ever remember seeing one, can you? How do you have any idea how he'd play in that situation? | ||
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mapthesoul
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
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Jtom
Ireland1044 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:55 Micket wrote: Ok just tested his with my friend a few times. The Zerglings are barely able to reach the Terran army let alone attack. By the time the Zerglings reached the Terran army, the marines alone could clean up the lings. Let alone the planetary, ghosts which 2 shot lings, tanks that kill 10 lings a volley (and there are around 10 tanks...). You're wrong I'm sorry. You clearly haven't played enough ZvT to realise that when the Terran reaches the 160 supply area, Lings become useless in actual fights and are mainly for drop denial and fodder. Of course with infestors ling are still great but infestors would not have touched MVP there, knowing his micro. You tested that exact situation with your friends in 6 minutes? | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:56 jmbthirteen wrote: yeah he did nothing with all of those banelings. that doom drop just was terrible I actually thought he was going to unload all the banes, crash into all the production buildings in the main, and then just repeatedly throw units at MVP until he crumbles. It was disappointing to see the banes just wasted like that. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:57 Al Bundy wrote: Guys you should calm down and think rationally. Zerglings are good against ghosts, it's a fact, and it says so in the in-game help menu. Also look at the liquipedia  Ghost "weak against: zergling"well the archon also supposedly owns mutalisks too. | ||
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tlrocksss
22 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:57 Micket wrote: Why counter push? Just sit there, remake the 20 marines and 5 tanks and 5 ghosts you lost in less than 5 minutes, and you are fine. Thats generous, i don't expect 100 banelings to come close to touching that Terran army. Exactly, however i will agree getting that many banelings was retarded. MVP can target fire the Banelings and have about half down in the first volley. Should have gone for the tons of bls faster, when MVP didnt have as many vikings, and also made 100000 lings and 100000 overseers /sarcasm. | ||
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Krewli
Sweden28 Posts
(TY Nestea for showing dustin browder that snipe is ridiculous.) | ||
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jamessooy
11 Posts
I've never seen such terrible play, strategically. There were a solid 10 minutes in that game that "A" move from Nestea would have won the game... yet, he refused. | ||
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PinaryB
Estonia148 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:54 .:Myr:. wrote: Why are all the tournament endings this awkward ? I thought they were going to interviewed... They just stood there with their prizes, crowd was silent, no background music ....... just .... awkward. i was just wondering the same and it ended kinda weird | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
Not agreeing with the guy that says that they did it (nor denying it), but TT1 and Fenix did it when they were on fnaticmsi for the Gamecune thing I believe thats just an example though Final game wasn't nearly as good as people are making it out to be, they just mistake 'good' with 'long'. Nestea played like a freakin idiot during the lategame and failed to utilize any skill he has | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:47 n00b3rt wrote: F*** blizzard and Browder and Kim, for making a game where failing doomdrops, letting a terran have half the map while on 15k/5k and staying passive, doing nothing against drops, donating mutas and broodlords, attacking with broodlords without support, letting 20+ drones die to a nuke and not using mutas to their full potential in the early-mid game when terran is not well defended and is on multiple bases will not make zergs win. I'm now writing this angry post, because my hatred for the game's balance is totally objective, and is not at all related to any type of miserable online life with multiple stupid losses because of my own failures, that I blame the game balance for ... This this this, and this is coming from a hardcore terran hater. The last game was awful and Im calling it rigged because I dont buy that theyd actually play like this. I think not calling this rigged is actually way more disrespectful. This was either rigged or nestea was REALLY tired. He completly fell apart, stayed on way too many drones, wasted 100 banelings in a drop that didnt even do anything, then build 30 broodlords with nooo backup?! | ||
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