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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
October 23 2011 00:55 GMT
#5961
On October 23 2011 09:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Yeah guys, they fixed the pot and decided that nestea would lose on purpose. Are you guys fucking dumb? Why the hell would nestea need to lose in a situation like that? If they were going to split the pot then who the fuck cares who wins. This argument is embarrassing for the entire site and community.

So they can show entertaining games...
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5962
On October 23 2011 09:52 xCenasfu wrote:
I wonder what the BW pros thought of that final..

I honestly hope they weren't watching.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
neurosx
Profile Joined August 2011
Luxembourg1096 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5963
I never watched Nestea play, but if the best zerg in the world throws 27 bls to waste, I'm in for gsl code S, seriously what was that :/

gg MVP, totally outplayed him and Nestea looked so bad
You'll wish I'd never stooped to notice you.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5964
On October 23 2011 09:54 j0ker wrote:
anyone whining about ghosts is conveniently ignoring nestea 1) staying on 90+ drones for too long 2) nestea failing to inject late game and keep up the production to remax with his 11k/6k bank 3) nestea utterly botching his doom drop 4) nestea REPEATEDLY failing to multitask enough to pull drones away from nukes 5) nestea wasting 15 spines in the center while his tech and production got ravaged by tiny drops and most of all 6) nestea making 25 broodlords against a primarily ghost viking army and not supporting them with ANYTHING when he engaged. nestea completely botched that game and mvps control and multitasking was simply better throughout. theres no point in going to 90+ drones and quickly maxing if you are going to let the terran split the map without a fight.


Agreed.

Nestea had a giant lead that he just didn't utilize. Those last broodlords were just a mistake.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
leviathan400
Profile Joined November 2006
United Kingdom393 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5965
they got a hell a lot of work to do to make a good sc2 toruny
:o
skunkz
Profile Joined April 2011
France32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 00:58:45
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5966
Let's assume he was trying to show something, ghost ehhmmm ehmmm what?
Keep in mind, after the final game nestea didn't look disapointed at all.

Ok I get out
><
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5967
On October 23 2011 09:54 Woizit wrote:
When you have over 100 banelings against a Terran that has 50 SCVs and over 10 Vikings for non-existent Broodlords, I don't care how OP Terran is, they can't have enough supply to counter-push efficiently before the ling remax.

yeah he did nothing with all of those banelings. that doom drop just was terrible
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5968
On October 23 2011 09:54 scarper65 wrote:
People complain about ghosts countering tier3, but if you realize this than why continue going tier 3?


Because marines counter our tier 1 & 2?
http://www.youtube.com/user/sirmonkeh Zerg Live Casts and Commentary!
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 00:56:40
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5969
On October 23 2011 09:54 scarper65 wrote:
People complain about ghosts countering tier3, but if you realize this than why continue going tier 3?


because dude tier 3 is supposed to hard counter every tier below it!!!!!11

and if not then it's imbalanced!!!!
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5970
dear god, IM walked away with 75k today.

i don't think MVP begrudges losing code s right now
tranmillitary
Profile Joined August 2011
210 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5971
All I see is nestea/zerg fans crying. These are the 2 best players in the world. Nestea couldn't attack because of MVP's Defense. He then dropped main, then later tried mvp's bottom expansion. You guys are dumb if you guys think nestea played bad. No one here could last 5 mins with MVP.

That was one of the best final games ever. People complain about cheese, people complain about macro games, people complain about everything here. Bunch of kids.
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5972
On October 23 2011 09:47 Mortal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:46 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 Doodsmack wrote:
Poll: Did MVP and NesTea agree beforehand to split the pot?

Yes (143)
 
63%

No (84)
 
37%

227 total votes

Your vote: Did MVP and NesTea agree beforehand to split the pot?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


Where's the "no, you're a fucking idiot" answer?



You must be new to esport then


new to esports
20 posts

lol. even if they did, the last game was sick even though nestea played like garbage.


There is not only TL in the world my friend.
And secondly, having agreed on evening the pot a bit does not make them play poorly. They are competitors and really want to win anyways. There is just less pressure involved
bounca
Profile Joined June 2011
140 Posts
October 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#5973
you guys really think someone as good as nestea, at the end would build 28 broods, and attack BUT forget to bring his 4 overseers and his 5 infestors?
this isn't even including the beginning of the game where he sits on 15k minerals
you have to be delusional as fuck to think it was a serious game and they didn't have an agreement

User was temp banned for this post.
JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
October 23 2011 00:57 GMT
#5974
Stop saying the game is fixed, this take away from the MVP win.
"I'm naturally good at everything. I'm good at eating too, so that's why I can't lose weight."
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
October 23 2011 00:57 GMT
#5975
On October 23 2011 09:52 tlrocksss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:51 Tyrant0 wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:47 n00b3rt wrote:
F*** blizzard and Browder and Kim, for making a game where failing doomdrops, letting a terran have half the map while on 15k/5k and staying passive, doing nothing against drops, donating mutas and broodlords, attacking with broodlords without support, letting 20+ drones die to a nuke and not using mutas to their full potential in the early-mid game when terran is not well defended and is on multiple bases will not make zergs win. I'm now writing this angry post, because my hatred for the game's balance is totally objective, and is not at all related to any type of miserable online life with multiple stupid losses because of my own failures, that I blame the game balance for ...


You're delusional. Take your balance whine elsewhere. Nestea played like garbage.


He couldn't engage.

He didn't play like garbage, that makes all your opinions invalid just being a dick.


He played terrible.
tlrocksss
Profile Joined October 2011
22 Posts
October 23 2011 00:57 GMT
#5976
On October 23 2011 09:52 diophan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:50 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:50 diophan wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


If you can use 30 ghosts to hit snipe on 100 lings before they die then sure.

You don't have 100 lings, because then tanks or hellions just murder them. True story.


That sure sounds like it's the tanks that are the counter to lings, not ghosts. Apparently "ghost counter lings" is to be taken as meaning "ghosts that sit next to siege tanks counter lings"?


Lets just say the original post was, lings counter ghost,

which is not true, ghosts and lings are pretty nuetal i guess, but 1 ghost will kill 10+ lings sniping some then gutting the rest (its actually cost efficent for ghosts.)

And when 20 ghosts engage 100 lings the ghosts win
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 23 2011 00:57 GMT
#5977
On October 23 2011 09:54 Woizit wrote:
When you have over 100 banelings against a Terran that has 50 SCVs and over 10 Vikings for non-existent Broodlords, I don't care how OP Terran is, they can't have enough supply to counter-push efficiently before the ling remax.

Why counter push? Just sit there, remake the 20 marines and 5 tanks and 5 ghosts you lost in less than 5 minutes, and you are fine. Thats generous, i don't expect 100 banelings to come close to touching that Terran army.
tlrocksss
Profile Joined October 2011
22 Posts
October 23 2011 00:57 GMT
#5978
On October 23 2011 09:52 E-Coffee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:50 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:45 Oboeman wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 tlrocksss wrote:
Zerg CANT do anythign in that position, Terran make 20 ghosts, about 8-9 tanks, 1-2 thors, possibly some hellions, ~10 vikings, and 30 marines.

You cant beat it.

BUT! there is a way to fix this.

Nerf snipe, by increasing energy cost or decreasing damage. otherwise you can just snipe overseers, nuke spines, and nuke bases all day. Can't engage it.


there was no way for MVP to attack nestea either.

guess what he did? constant drops.

hmmmmmmm


You don't understand.

in the lategame, Zerg wants to be the one attacking, not defending. Unless they blow ~5000 min on spines in all their bases they can be taken out by 1-2 drops and lose valuable buildings.
Terran can just turtle up and put up turret rings because whatever the zerg attacks with they just kill it.

So the zerg cant afford the spend minerals building spines but the terran can spend minerals buildings turrets...?


yes because zerg has to remax a shit ton "the swarm race"

where terran lategame barlely lose anything
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
October 23 2011 00:57 GMT
#5979
On October 23 2011 09:55 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:53 thebig1 wrote:
I think it's a bit harsh to call it fixed, but I don't understand how the people saying that final game was epic. It just didn't feel like either of them WANTED the win. The complete lack of competitive feel ruined the match for me. It felt like two low masters players playing with many mistakes.

I suspect they decided to split the prize and show "good games" to the fans. As a result neither of them wanted to end the game too quickly without something "awesome" happening. Personally, that's not what makes a game good...


And even with that aside. It was just even worse of a turtle fest than basically every TvT i've ever seen.

hahahaha holy shit. Okay, you win. This is the post that will make me log off TL for the night.

Fuck it, I'm outtie.


Bye, you won't be missed ♥
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 23 2011 00:57 GMT
#5980
Guys you should calm down and think rationally. Zerglings are good against ghosts, it's a fact, and it says so in the in-game help menu.
Also look at the liquipedia (Wiki)Ghost "weak against: zergling"
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