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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word. TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players. - p4NDemik | ||
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thebig1
248 Posts
I suspect they decided to split the prize and show "good games" to the fans. As a result neither of them wanted to end the game too quickly without something "awesome" happening. Personally, that's not what makes a game good... And even with that aside. It was just even worse of a turtle fest than basically every TvT i've ever seen. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
GSL is a lot more player firendly in that way. | ||
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j0ker
275 Posts
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:48 TaKemE wrote: He had almost no way to killing what MVP had in the end but he could have attacked alot more early and used some of all that income he had and not just save it. Agree The easiest way to deal with it is to not need to deal with it at all. You should not wait for the Terran to replace ALL of his marines with the much more supply efficient ghosts (and supply efficiency is extremely important in late game)... because then you're going to be in a world of ****. Attack / trade armies before then. It's like TvT bio vs tank player... bio player wants to trade armies constantly if possible because tanks are much more supply efficient than bio... only in this case bio is zerg and tank is ghosts. Theorycraft: If you do end up in nestea's situation the best solution would probably be a TON of lings (remax after remax). In small armies lings beat ghosts, but in larger armies they trade rather equally. Then arises the issue of cloak... your overseers get sniped and landing an ace fungal to decloak them could be difficult... so abuse the immobility of ghosts and send lings everywhere the ghosts aren't, harassing using drops etc. (Still waiting for a pimp play to happen: infestor sneaks up and neurals a ghost and EMPs the entire ghost group - Z army then kills everything due to no snipe energy). | ||
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scarper65
1560 Posts
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.:Myr:.
Portugal24 Posts
I thought they were going to interviewed... They just stood there with their prizes, crowd was silent, no background music ....... just .... awkward. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:51 Eraserhead wrote: Lol, Nestea and MVP rigged this whole tournament, first game between them in winners bracket was also rigged, MVP let Nestea win because the chance of him beating Sen is bigger than Nestea. Remember first game on Shakuras? MVP doesn't even make a fucking wall-in at his first or 2nd ramp, what a terrible tournament you mean the guy with the 92% winrate in ZvZ was afraid of sen? you don't understand, this is their job. they don't mess around with that much money on the line, and they certainly don't split the pot. | ||
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Woizit
801 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:51 Angra wrote: people used to get banned for even suggesting it. guess it's ok to do now :/ Well there is a thread here on TL where very many pro players admitted to pot splitting so i guess it is standard EZPZ now. | ||
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Whiztard
United States227 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:52 xCenasfu wrote: I wonder what the BW pros thought of that final.. they're not going to switch to SC2 | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Kill the detection, cloak, profit. Also, they do well vs light, 30 ghosts would kill 100 lings without abilities... Because a ghost is worth 12 lings worth of resources? What about 360 lings vs 30 ghosts? | ||
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Rykros
483 Posts
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
Congrats to IM for beating pretty much everyone. Their team manager must be insanely happy :D | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:53 thebig1 wrote: I think it's a bit harsh to call it fixed, but I don't understand how the people saying that final game was epic. It just didn't feel like either of them WANTED the win. The complete lack of competitive feel ruined the match for me. It felt like two low masters players playing with many mistakes. I suspect they decided to split the prize and show "good games" to the fans. As a result neither of them wanted to end the game too quickly without something "awesome" happening. Personally, that's not what makes a game good... And even with that aside. It was just even worse of a turtle fest than basically every TvT i've ever seen. hahahaha holy shit. Okay, you win. This is the post that will make me log off TL for the night. Fuck it, I'm outtie. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:53 dolvlo wrote: How do you go about countering 18 full upgraded ghosts with siege and viking support? I honestly have no idea, I saw MVP do this to July in the GSL too. the similarity in both of those games? MVP was ahead before he got so many ghosts out. When Nestea's doom drop failed miserably, the game was over. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:49 Jtom wrote: Mass lings, 3 or 4 times would've killed MVP at any point which Nestea could've easily done with his 15,000 minerals. Ok just tested his with my friend a few times. The Zerglings are barely able to reach the Terran army let alone attack. By the time the Zerglings reached the Terran army, the marines alone could clean up the lings. Let alone the planetary, ghosts which 2 shot lings, tanks that kill 10 lings a volley (and there are around 10 tanks...). You're wrong I'm sorry. You clearly haven't played enough ZvT to realise that when the Terran reaches the 160 supply area, Lings become useless in actual fights and are mainly for drop denial and fodder. Of course with infestors ling are still great but infestors would not have touched MVP there, knowing his micro. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:30 kiy0 wrote: This is just perfect. An unparallel demonstration of how OP Terran really is. And all of this right at Blizzcon. Take that Blizzard. Lets hope you don't screw up HotS. User was temp banned for this post. blizzard already stuffed up HotS. the game is gonna turn into a spellcaster game like those other "strategy" games out there. It will deviate from the starcraft as we know it. | ||
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Torqq
Finland21 Posts
Well it was pretty funny, but anyway ghosts arent really shit against zerglings. The rings looked reaally nice | ||
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j0ker
275 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:54 pPingu wrote: I think both of them must be really tired, that was a really long day with a lot of matches. GSL is a lot more player firendly in that way. nestea only played the 7 games that they played against each other. mvp played the fucking gsl finals the night before and had to go through the losers bracket as well. | ||
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Bromazepam
820 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:49 Itsmedudeman wrote: Yeah guys, they fixed the pot and decided that nestea would lose on purpose. Are you guys fucking dumb? Why the hell would nestea need to lose in a situation like that? If they were going to split the pot then who the fuck cares who wins. This argument is embarrassing for the entire site and community. We care because the game was rubbish. It wasn't entertaining, at all. Snipes aren't fun. Nestea got us all excited with 100 banelings and then just threw them away, letting them die inside of the sniped overlords. 30 brood lords are fun, 30 brood lords turning instantly into red goop caused by some blue shimmers on the ground are lame. This game sucked. If they wanted to do a showmatch for the crowd they completely failed. | ||
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