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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5901
awww yeah!!

love some classic zergbong.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 00:50:56
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5902
On October 23 2011 09:49 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:47 slicknav wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


I stutter step my ghosts against lings all the time. I totally works,

wait...

No no, you just emp them and the lings are magically transported into the world of Narnia where Aslan greets them with 100000 blue flame hellions.


Ah, you know you watch too much Starcraft 2 where you read Narnia as Naniwa
Venatore
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom7 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5903
1st) 20+ Broodlords but only 2 corrupters!! what is the logic behind that? he had seen the vikins as well in that scenario even if he demolishes the ground forces then broodlords die anyway. 2nd) he made 3-4 Overseer but didnt bring any of them to the final battle and left them behind so the Broodlords were not even killing the ghosts .
si post fata venit gloria non propero
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5904
On October 23 2011 09:49 Thezzy wrote:
The 27 brood lords was just a terrible decision.

Nestea was fully aware of the large amount of Ghosts present and likely spotted the vikings as well.
With 14k minerals and 6k gas he should've just made a ton of hatches and queens and spammed MVP to death with Roaches/Lings/Banelings.

Regardless of how Ghosts fare against Brood Lords, if you lost 8-10 brood lords earlier to a bunch of ghosts and you know his ghost count is twice that now, why make 27 brood lords.
It's like massing Hydras against Tanks.


He had very limited larvae at that point, your talking about at least two-three minutes to get enough bases operational.
He should have made more macro hatches in the first place.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5905
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


If you can use 30 ghosts to hit snipe on 100 lings before they die then sure.
tlrocksss
Profile Joined October 2011
22 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5906
On October 23 2011 09:45 Oboeman wrote:
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On October 23 2011 09:44 tlrocksss wrote:
Zerg CANT do anythign in that position, Terran make 20 ghosts, about 8-9 tanks, 1-2 thors, possibly some hellions, ~10 vikings, and 30 marines.

You cant beat it.

BUT! there is a way to fix this.

Nerf snipe, by increasing energy cost or decreasing damage. otherwise you can just snipe overseers, nuke spines, and nuke bases all day. Can't engage it.


there was no way for MVP to attack nestea either.

guess what he did? constant drops.

hmmmmmmm


You don't understand.

in the lategame, Zerg wants to be the one attacking, not defending. Unless they blow ~5000 min on spines in all their bases they can be taken out by 1-2 drops and lose valuable buildings.
Terran can just turtle up and put up turret rings because whatever the zerg attacks with they just kill it.
Peksi
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland169 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5907
What a disgrace Blizzard. The tournament was so poorly handled I can't even find words to describe it. Congrats to Mvp he was the better player today and deserves his win.
It can't be helped. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Roeder
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark735 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5908
I'm normally the first to question the balance of SC2 especially terran, but this had nothing to do with it.

MVP managed to play better than NesTea in the very end. Banking 13k mins, +100 banelings and decided to drop on his main. And he didn't manage to drop all of the units even. Hands down to the two best players in the world, but MVP outplayed him in the end of that game.

It was a f- amazing game, and people should be cheering for macro game that manages to show us +8 nukes, transfer from marines into ghosts, 25 BLs on the same time and over one hundred fucking banelings.

Shut up and reflect.
Starcraft is a mix between chess, poker and a Michael Bay movie.
tlrocksss
Profile Joined October 2011
22 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5909
On October 23 2011 09:50 diophan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


If you can use 30 ghosts to hit snipe on 100 lings before they die then sure.

You don't have 100 lings, because then tanks or hellions just murder them. True story.
Eraserhead
Profile Joined October 2011
159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 00:51:25
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5910
Lol, Nestea and MVP rigged this whole tournament, first game between them in winners bracket was also rigged, MVP let Nestea win because the chance of him beating Sen is bigger than Nestea. Remember first game on Shakuras? MVP doesn't even make a fucking wall-in at his first or 2nd ramp, what a terrible tournament

User was temp banned for this post.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5911
On October 23 2011 09:37 n00b3rt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:33 sekritzzz wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:32 zeru wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:29 hysterial wrote:
Poll: Reccommend this Epic game?

Yes (185)
 
49%

No (180)
 
47%

If you have time. (14)
 
4%

379 total votes

Your vote: Reccommend this Epic game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time.



Now thats some angry nestea fans :D Hilarious ^^

lol.... funniest poll i've seen. Seems to always be like that when a zerg loses.

Well, 80% of TL is zerg, judging from the posts, so, good job all of you non-pathetic, non-whiny zergs For the rest of you ... meh who cares
MVP , MVP

Well, if you were so blind during the third game that you didnt see how AWFULL was Nestea, then I don't know how you can manage to log on TL. Wait, found it.
Anyway this was disguting to watch. 15k minerals and still managed to lose hatch to drops. Btw to the genius that came up with 'more drops nestea you noob', I heard turret/pf hardcounter it pretty easily. And bling drop would have been a favor to mvp, since he can deplete all his minerals with pure mules. The only thing Nestea could have done is to swarm Mvp's defence with a limitless number of roaches/hydras. But he couldn't since his range upgrade were 0 or 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5912
On October 23 2011 09:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Yeah guys, they fixed the pot and decided that nestea would lose on purpose. Are you guys fucking dumb? Why the hell would nestea need to lose in a situation like that? If they were going to split the pot then who the fuck cares who wins. This argument is embarrassing for the entire site and community.


maybe nestea and mvp decided to split the prize pot? They are on the same team and something like this happened with TT1 and Fenix before.

that last game was skeptical...

User was temp banned for this post.
you live and you learn
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5913
On October 23 2011 09:49 Jtom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:45 Micket wrote:
Can someone describe to me a max army that could touch MVP's army? I don't care how Nestea blundered in terms of defending expos, his bank was large enough for 4 remaxes. MVP's turtle on side expos was impenetrable, turrets, sensor towers everywhere. As blunderous Nestea's failed drops looked, he was faced without the problem of defeating the cloaked ghost army. Once MVP reached an economy of similar prowess as Nestea, he could start throwing drops everywhere just like a Zerg could throw zerglings away, and Nestea couldn't deal with it.

I blame Shakuras Plateau (which was the best Zerg map in the pool WTF)

Mass lings, 3 or 4 times would've killed MVP at any point which Nestea could've easily done with his 15,000 minerals.


He might but its hard killing PF's with tanks behind with lings.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5914
On October 23 2011 09:50 diophan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


If you can use 30 ghosts to hit snipe on 100 lings before they die then sure.


Kill the detection, cloak, profit.
Also, they do well vs light, 30 ghosts would kill 100 lings without abilities...
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Shodanss
Profile Joined November 2010
Greece245 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5915
On October 23 2011 09:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:46 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 Doodsmack wrote:
Poll: Did MVP and NesTea agree beforehand to split the pot?

Yes (143)
 
63%

No (84)
 
37%

227 total votes

Your vote: Did MVP and NesTea agree beforehand to split the pot?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


Where's the "no, you're a fucking idiot" answer?

You must be new to esport then

Your the one that must be new to esport if you think he did
You overlook tons of the defence/harass that went on early to even get near the endgame


You overlook that many professional players especially from the same team just split the money from the finals so that they do not have that burden... You are new to esports and sports...
Google important phrases....ctrl+c,ctrl+v!!!
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5916
On October 23 2011 09:47 n00b3rt wrote:
F*** blizzard and Browder and Kim, for making a game where failing doomdrops, letting a terran have half the map while on 15k/5k and staying passive, doing nothing against drops, donating mutas and broodlords, attacking with broodlords without support, letting 20+ drones die to a nuke and not using mutas to their full potential in the early-mid game when terran is not well defended and is on multiple bases will not make zergs win. I'm now writing this angry post, because my hatred for the game's balance is totally objective, and is not at all related to any type of miserable online life with multiple stupid losses because of my own failures, that I blame the game balance for ...


You're delusional. Take your balance whine elsewhere. Nestea played like garbage.

User was warned for this post
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5917
So stupid if you think they agreed to split the pot. If only for reputation why would Nestea agree to show a 4-1 collapse which is basically what happened?

We saw turtle v turtle last game of course its going to look ridiculous... how could a zerg attack into that on shakuras? Likewise what could MVP have done by giving up that position? That would have been stupid of him too.

When would they have even had a chance to talk about splitting the money? Before the Grand Finals when Nestea already had a gigantic advantage? Telepathically after MVP tied it up after the first two games? I mean seriously... sometimes your favorite player doesnt win and I think most people generally think MVP is a little better than Nestea overall. MVP is just so good at every part of the game
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5918
On October 23 2011 09:50 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:49 Telcontar wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:47 slicknav wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


I stutter step my ghosts against lings all the time. I totally works,

wait...

No no, you just emp them and the lings are magically transported into the world of Narnia where Aslan greets them with 100000 blue flame hellions.


Ah, you know you watch too much Starcraft 2 where you read Narnia as Naniwa

Holy shit I did the same thing
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5919
On October 23 2011 09:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Yeah guys, they fixed the pot and decided that nestea would lose on purpose. Are you guys fucking dumb? Why the hell would nestea need to lose in a situation like that? If they were going to split the pot then who the fuck cares who wins. This argument is embarrassing for the entire site and community.


people used to get banned for even suggesting it.

guess it's ok to do now :/
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
October 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#5920
he should've remade the spines and hatcheries he lost and another 3-6 hatcheries just for macro, he could done much more with pure lings. the baneling drop was really bad and obviously the 27 broods a waste of gas.
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