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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5881
anyone got a screen of the rings? the blizzard stream is locked as 'live' where the finals started so i can't go check it out.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5882
On October 23 2011 09:47 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


I stutter step my ghosts against lings all the time. I totally works,

wait...

No no, you just emp them and the lings are magically transported into the world of Narnia where Aslan greets them with 100000 blue flame hellions.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5883
Yeah guys, they fixed the pot and decided that nestea would lose on purpose. Are you guys fucking dumb? Why the hell would nestea need to lose in a situation like that? If they were going to split the pot then who the fuck cares who wins. This argument is embarrassing for the entire site and community.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5884
the last game seemed staged :/
you live and you learn
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5885
On October 23 2011 09:45 Micket wrote:
Can someone describe to me a max army that could touch MVP's army? I don't care how Nestea blundered in terms of defending expos, his bank was large enough for 4 remaxes. MVP's turtle on side expos was impenetrable, turrets, sensor towers everywhere. As blunderous Nestea's failed drops looked, he was faced without the problem of defeating the cloaked ghost army. Once MVP reached an economy of similar prowess as Nestea, he could start throwing drops everywhere just like a Zerg could throw zerglings away, and Nestea couldn't deal with it.

I blame Shakuras Plateau (which was the best Zerg map in the pool WTF)

Mass lings, 3 or 4 times would've killed MVP at any point which Nestea could've easily done with his 15,000 minerals.
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5886
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......

I have not seen a game yet where anyone won against this, tier 1 or any tier.
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5887
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.

Just doing extra damage vs light doesn't make ghosts a ling counter. Given enough queens and hatches, Nestea could've probably produced several hundred lings and sent them in wave after wave after upgrading them to 3/3 with adrenals.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5888
On October 23 2011 09:47 n00b3rt wrote:
F*** blizzard and Browder and Kim, for making a game where failing doomdrops, letting a terran have half the map while on 15k/5k and staying passive, doing nothing against drops, donating mutas and broodlords, attacking with broodlords without support, letting 20+ drones die to a nuke and not using mutas to their full potential in the early-mid game when terran is not well defended and is on multiple bases will not make zergs win. I'm now writing this angry post, because my hatred for the game's balance is totally objective, and is not at all related to any type of miserable online life with multiple stupid losses because of my own failures, that I blame the game balance for ...


Hahaha, well done!
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5889
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......

Snipe the overseers, cloak, what you gonna do? Ghosts 2 shot zergling fyi, they beat marines in straight fights. Add tanks and planetaries and 3/3 marines, ling bling is gonna do close to 0 damage to that ball. Remax, lose army, remax, lose away, rince and repeat.

You have to kill Terran before that point with ghosts, or remove maps that can be split from the map pool (which GSL has already done).
SPQR13
Profile Joined June 2011
181 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5890
On October 23 2011 09:44 Chvol wrote:
Not sure why the commentators are saying that final match was "amazing".

Nestea got nuked on his mining bases like four times, and lost a huge amount of drones every time. He then proceeded to make a bunch of lopsided, useless unit compositions, and squandered his 12k mineral bank. He failed to make good use of his nydus, and also executed his doom drop in MVP's main terribly. Half of the overlords didn't even unload. There wasn't anything particularly impressive in Nestea's play if you ask me.

MVP on the other hand, just sat around and microed his dropships while massing his ghost mech composition and PFs.

If mass tier 3 armies are the definition of "epic" games, they might as well stream bronze league ladder games.


so true

La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5891
i wonder if nestea had his sound muted or somthing, he never reacted to nukes..

great game to watch, i felt nestea threw it away at the end and played awful...

crowd was awsome but left when they had to wait 10 min for prize ceremony
pff
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5892
On October 23 2011 09:48 adiga wrote:
Sorry but the first set of the finals was obliviously fixed, sorry but it seemed like Nestea wasn't even trying.
And the final match too, such a sloppy play by Nestea since the middle of the game, not trying to stop drops, leaving banes in overlords for ghosts to kill etc etc.
FIXED KK

You have to consider that the tournament used Blizzard maps, which basically allow for less free droning, something that is one of Nestea's greatest strengths.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5893
On October 23 2011 09:47 n00b3rt wrote:
F*** blizzard and Browder and Kim, for making a game where failing doomdrops, letting a terran have half the map while on 15k/5k and staying passive, doing nothing against drops, donating mutas and broodlords, attacking with broodlords without support, letting 20+ drones die to a nuke and not using mutas to their full potential in the early-mid game when terran is not well defended and is on multiple bases will not make zergs win. I'm now writing this angry post, because my hatred for the game's balance is totally objective, and is not at all related to any type of miserable online life with multiple stupid losses because of my own failures, that I blame the game balance for ...

I see what you did there
www.superbeerbrothers.com
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
October 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#5894
awful play by nestea. the zerg race needs a new hero. nestea isnt good enough
cassecash
Profile Joined October 2011
32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 00:50:21
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5895
It is very common for players of the same team who face each other in the finals to split the winnings, no matter who wins it (nothing wrong with that IMO). I mean come on: Both MVP and Nestea were obviously playing a shwmatch for the fans. Anyone who has seen those 2 players play in the past can't be in their right mind thinking they played their best or were particularly serious.

User was warned for this post
Kamate
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania580 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5896
A bit of let down
The Ceremony
But, maaaaan, Day9 is great and he pulled out
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5897
On October 23 2011 09:49 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:47 slicknav wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


I stutter step my ghosts against lings all the time. I totally works,

wait...

No no, you just emp them and the lings are magically transported into the world of Narnia where Aslan greets them with 100000 blue flame hellions.

Why the hell did I laugh? I shouldn't have laughed lololol
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
PinaryB
Profile Joined January 2011
Estonia148 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5898
On October 23 2011 09:47 n00b3rt wrote:
F*** blizzard and Browder and Kim, for making a game where failing doomdrops, letting a terran have half the map while on 15k/5k and staying passive, doing nothing against drops, donating mutas and broodlords, attacking with broodlords without support, letting 20+ drones die to a nuke and not using mutas to their full potential in the early-mid game when terran is not well defended and is on multiple bases will not make zergs win. I'm now writing this angry post, because my hatred for the game's balance is totally objective, and is not at all related to any type of miserable online life with multiple stupid losses because of my own failures, that I blame the game balance for ...

nothing more to say, F''' those Sean
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5899
On October 23 2011 09:48 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:45 MooMooMugi wrote:
Congrats, Huk's prediction of Sen doing well was correct 3rd place :D


His prediction was Sen winning it lol -_-


if he didnt get gay fucked by close pos on shattered, maybe there would have been a chance
tlassg
Profile Joined February 2011
84 Posts
October 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#5900
need a poll to see if ppl preferred that final or the GSL final
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