On October 16 2011 10:33 Takkara wrote: MKP is breathlessly amazing. What a series. Just amazing. What an nerd baller. Bravo to him.
All he really did was get 3/3 on his marines. His macro was actually terrible but he had 3/3 marines to stim. The only reason he won is because of the power of marines.
This. 3-3 marines won him the game, nothing else. Macro was poor, not a single reactored barracks and he was banking 2k+ minerals the entire time. His micro wasn't even that good tbh. Simply won because marines are too damn good.
No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No I'm saying that's why MKP's money got so high. You said there was no reason for it and I'm pointing out a very obvious reason.
Of course there was a reason for it, MKP's poor macro/building placement. That shouldn't happen with a Top Tier player.
But ty for reinforcing my point that MKP did poorly.
What? Mutas can force through turrets once you get a good flock and kill depots no matter how good your building placement is.
Are you saying perfect building placement makes your base invulnerable to muta harass?
On October 16 2011 10:33 Takkara wrote: MKP is breathlessly amazing. What a series. Just amazing. What an nerd baller. Bravo to him.
All he really did was get 3/3 on his marines. His macro was actually terrible but he had 3/3 marines to stim. The only reason he won is because of the power of marines.
thats why he had 4 cc and 57 workers at 15min after idra killed 30
You're right shit macro
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Did you not notice how he was floating 2k minerals at the end of the game because he didn't remember to make reactors or more barracks?
he did make reactors, he didn't make them early game to focus those gas on upgrade. That was why he was able to afford all the upgrades and still tech to tank, medivac at the same time.
So you're going to blantantly lie because Day9 showed all 8 or so barracks with no addon at all.
Reactors on barracks in tvz is usually bad, especially when you're constantly being attacked.
Think I've alrdy proved MKP had poor macro so I'll just stop argueing that point.
Yes I heard having 1.5k+ minerals banked when your only on 130 or so supply is also bad in TvZ or any matchup to that matter.
On October 16 2011 10:49 JohnnyBanana wrote: My god the Zerg tears are flowing so freely in this thread...
If anyone thinks Idra should have won Game 3, you are either bronze or delusional. Idra got outplayed hard by MKP.
It's Starcraft 101...keep up with upgrades or get raped. How can anyone even defend Idra that game? It makes no sense at all.
I am starting to notice a trend here. The people throwing out the words tears and fanboys and such then go on to make absolute delusional comments reflecting that they either didn't watch the game or don't understand what their watching at even the lowest level
All he really did was get 3/3 on his marines. His macro was actually terrible but he had 3/3 marines to stim. The only reason he won is because of the power of marines.
This. 3-3 marines won him the game, nothing else. Macro was poor, not a single reactored barracks and he was banking 2k+ minerals the entire time. His micro wasn't even that good tbh. Simply won because marines are too damn good.
No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around...
On October 16 2011 10:34 Icky wrote: Not over yet, and all.. But I have to say, as a casual Starcraft 2 watcher, if Koreans keep winning MLGs I'm just going to stop bothering entirely.
Why, were you not entertained by that game?
Why does it matter where they come from? Was that game not intense and exciting? If a player's nationality is what prevents you from watching esports why even bother?
Some people doesn't enjoy seeing a tourney roster and knowing which players will finish top 6. It's his opinion, are you that intolerant?
There are more than 6 Koreans, and if pool play shows us anything it's that foreigners are more than capable of making it top 6 anyway. SC is about the games, not about where people are from.
You want SC2 to be an e-sport, right? Soccer is all about the games too, yet I don't cheer for barcelona because they are the best team in the world, I cheer for flamengo because they are the team from my country.
Soccer is a team sport, SC2 is more comparable to tennis or golf, Do you perhaps not root for Federer or Tiger Woods?
There's not much point in complaining about people cheering for their own country. The Koreans do the same and no one ever blames them. Like Tasteless was saying, Koreans won't even watch a sport unless Koreans are winning it.
Once again, I'm not complaining about people cheering for their own country, I have a problem with people saying "let anyone win but Korea". That's not cheering for your own country, that's cheering specifically against someone else's.
No it's cheering for the foreigner community which is perfectly fine.
Well sort of. Its difficult to define foreigner community. There are Korean/Korean X country players who have a Korean background but are very much involved in the foreigner community. Puma regularly plays in NA/EU team leagues. Select has a Korean RTS background but got his start in SC2 while living in America. Rain got his start in the Korean GSL scene but now lives in New York. It's impossible to define separate scenes at this point nearly, especially with Koreans in pretty-much every western major tourney.
On October 16 2011 10:33 Takkara wrote: MKP is breathlessly amazing. What a series. Just amazing. What an nerd baller. Bravo to him.
All he really did was get 3/3 on his marines. His macro was actually terrible but he had 3/3 marines to stim. The only reason he won is because of the power of marines.
This. 3-3 marines won him the game, nothing else. Macro was poor, not a single reactored barracks and he was banking 2k+ minerals the entire time, and he wasn't even near supply capped the entire game. His micro wasn't even that good tbh. Simply won because marines are too damn good.
So you're saying any terran who knows to how upgrade to 3-3 will beat idra?
I hate when IdrA loses. Fanboys cry imbalance. Anti-fanboys lolololol all night. It's disgusting.
Both players played extremely well. IdrA did make a crucial mistake towards the end that likely cost him the game. If he handled that properly, there is a good chance he would have won.
But he certainly didn't lose because terran is OP. And MKP didn't win because he is lolololol 50x better than IdrA. That was a very even and exciting match.
If anyone thinks Idra should have won Game 3, you are either bronze or delusional. Idra got outplayed hard by MKP.
You must be a pretty big mkp fan to believe that. Everyone thought that game was over before 6-7 marines got endlessly healed and got 20 kills each. Idra quite clearly outplayed him that game and lost for other reasons.
So happy MKP won! Didn't play the best in game 3, but still outplayed idra so happy with that. Game 2 was a silly mech game that was for the fans. Hope he wins MLG! Go mkp go!!
On October 16 2011 10:33 Takkara wrote: MKP is breathlessly amazing. What a series. Just amazing. What an nerd baller. Bravo to him.
All he really did was get 3/3 on his marines. His macro was actually terrible but he had 3/3 marines to stim. The only reason he won is because of the power of marines.
This. 3-3 marines won him the game, nothing else. Macro was poor, not a single reactored barracks and he was banking 2k+ minerals the entire time. His micro wasn't even that good tbh. Simply won because marines are too damn good.
No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No I'm saying that's why MKP's money got so high. You said there was no reason for it and I'm pointing out a very obvious reason.
Of course there was a reason for it, MKP's poor macro/building placement. That shouldn't happen with a Top Tier player.
But ty for reinforcing my point that MKP did poorly.
What? Mutas can force through turrets once you get a good flock and kill depots no matter how good your building placement is.
Are you saying perfect building placement makes your base invulnerable to muta harass?
On October 16 2011 10:33 Takkara wrote: MKP is breathlessly amazing. What a series. Just amazing. What an nerd baller. Bravo to him.
All he really did was get 3/3 on his marines. His macro was actually terrible but he had 3/3 marines to stim. The only reason he won is because of the power of marines.
thats why he had 4 cc and 57 workers at 15min after idra killed 30
You're right shit macro
....
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Did you not notice how he was floating 2k minerals at the end of the game because he didn't remember to make reactors or more barracks?
he did make reactors, he didn't make them early game to focus those gas on upgrade. That was why he was able to afford all the upgrades and still tech to tank, medivac at the same time.
So you're going to blantantly lie because Day9 showed all 8 or so barracks with no addon at all.
Reactors on barracks in tvz is usually bad, especially when you're constantly being attacked.
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