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PIZZA ZERG FIGHTING~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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will we never see dongraegu
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On October 08 2011 17:07 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote:
Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. what did you think of him saccing 30 probes to kill a few units in the nat? think it would have been silly to maynard them across the map before T found the base or just hide them? Yeah I really questioned that decision. If he had all those probes immediately mine from his last nexus he def. would have enough money to get another gateway, cyber, starport.
Ditto this, I was thinking what's he doing sacc'ing ~30 probes for maybe 3 marauder kills.
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Well,I don't see MVP loosing this anymore.Only good players they have left are terrans and if they get to the final boss he'll come out and eat anyone that's left.
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On October 08 2011 17:08 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote:
Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.
Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though... No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. This isn't true at all. Noblesse couldn't make another banshee, he only had the one. As soon as Creator kills that banshee and still has his 6 o' clock up with at least 1 probe (or 50 minerals) it's game over. It'd be tough getting supply to build a probe though (if he had no probe, but had 50 minerals.)
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On October 08 2011 17:09 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:07 MooMooMugi wrote:On October 08 2011 17:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote:
Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. what did you think of him saccing 30 probes to kill a few units in the nat? think it would have been silly to maynard them across the map before T found the base or just hide them? Yeah I really questioned that decision. If he had all those probes immediately mine from his last nexus he def. would have enough money to get another gateway, cyber, starport. Ditto this, I was thinking what's he doing sacc'ing ~30 probes for maybe 3 marauder kills.
I don't think he even killed any.
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On October 08 2011 17:09 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote:
Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast. Exactly! It's not rocket science it's base trading 101! Chasing after medivacs with heavy-zealot gateway? NO! Abandoning last remaining structures with loaded medivacs flying around?? NO!Walking from the taldarim far-third to the high ground???? Hell NO!
Walking away from your only buildings = Derp.
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On October 08 2011 17:09 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:08 Jonoman92 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote:
Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.
Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though... No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. This isn't true at all. Noblesse couldn't make another banshee, he only had the one. As soon as Creator kills that banshee and still has his 6 o' clock up with at least 1 probe (or 50 minerals) it's game over. It'd be tough getting supply to build a probe though (if he had no probe, but had 50 minerals.) How was creator supposed to know that?
Scout three starports
Wait 2 minutes for cloak - enough time to produce 6 banshees
Only 1 banshee arrives.
It's a hint.
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On October 08 2011 17:10 jmbthirteen wrote:
BONG!
Nah, Bong is NesTea.
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i want to see DRG cmon prime!
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On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote:
Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast.
Well Jinro, you may be unaware, but in this particular forum your argument is invalid because it doesn't involve crying about Terran in some way. Plus some of these guys are at least around platinum and can probably make very insightful and unbiased statements regarding balance.
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Too many upsets made this bad finals ( Prime beating TSL and ST)
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Did Creator have enough money to build a dark shrine + DT when Noblesse was building starports + banshee cloak? I wasn't paying attention.
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When he knew he had enough to rebuild a nexus, he should have saved all his probes imo. In that case he has an economy and can just camp his nexus and rebuild.
And he built his nexus in the worst place too.
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On October 08 2011 17:10 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:09 Jonoman92 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:07 MooMooMugi wrote:On October 08 2011 17:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote:
Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. what did you think of him saccing 30 probes to kill a few units in the nat? think it would have been silly to maynard them across the map before T found the base or just hide them? Yeah I really questioned that decision. If he had all those probes immediately mine from his last nexus he def. would have enough money to get another gateway, cyber, starport. Ditto this, I was thinking what's he doing sacc'ing ~30 probes for maybe 3 marauder kills. I don't think he even killed any.
Nah he killed a few you could hear the death sounds. I guess we'll have to inspect the vod and reconvene in the morrow
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Bboongbbong over HongUn? Seriously, why has Prime not been playing HongUn? He is the only reason they even made it to the playoffs (beating SlayerS).
I...do not agree with this decision.
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On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote:
Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.
Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though... No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw
I don't think this is at all true. However, most Protoss play PvT basetrades quite wrong imo. If you're in a basetrade situation where your army is better, it's all about banking a reasonable amount of money (at least enough for a nexus) and saving as many probes as possible (along with the multiple chasing-medivacs-around-cliffs mistakes he did, he sent all of his nat probes to attack marauders being healed by a medivac and nestled into minerals, big mistake imo). Try to kill his CCs fast and bring your probes to your army. Make a nexus and re-establish your economy, make a stargate or more units as needed.
Obviously this won't work in every situation, but if your army is better there's no reason why base trades have to be unwinnable for protoss.
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On October 08 2011 17:09 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:08 Jonoman92 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote:
Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.
Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though... No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. This isn't true at all. Noblesse couldn't make another banshee, he only had the one. As soon as Creator kills that banshee and still has his 6 o' clock up with at least 1 probe (or 50 minerals) it's game over. It'd be tough getting supply to build a probe though (if he had no probe, but had 50 minerals.) How was creator supposed to know that?
How would knowing that matter at all? You have to know he can't make another banshee to know you should defend your last nexus?
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On October 08 2011 17:11 Elurie wrote:
Did Creator have enough money to build a dark shrine + DT when Noblesse was building starports + banshee cloak? I wasn't paying attention.
To be fair, I think noblesse had 1xx minerals (lower than 150) so he could have made a raven.
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EPT
