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On October 08 2011 17:10 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:09 Danglars wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote: Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast. Exactly! It's not rocket science it's base trading 101! Chasing after medivacs with heavy-zealot gateway? NO! Abandoning last remaining structures with loaded medivacs flying around?? NO!Walking from the taldarim far-third to the high ground???? Hell NO! Walking away from your only buildings = Derp.
No, no guys. According to the experts in every thread involving a TvP, it's because Terran is overpowered. In this case, it's floating buildings. No matter how shitty the Protoss player plays, it always goes back to this victimhood that really makes me regret being a Protoss player sometimes.
Joking aside, really excellent point.
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On October 08 2011 17:11 Elurie wrote: Did Creator have enough money to build a dark shrine + DT when Noblesse was building starports + banshee cloak? I wasn't paying attention.
iirc he had 600 minerals before he made the nexus
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On October 08 2011 17:11 Tehs Tehklz wrote: Bboongbbong over HongUn? Seriously, why has Prime not been playing HongUn? He is the only reason they even made it to the playoffs (beating SlayerS).
I...do not agree with this decision.
Hes not zerg.
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I was wondering why we didn't hear any Nestea jokes yet.
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Nestea vs Painuser basketball olol
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On October 08 2011 17:11 Tehs Tehklz wrote: Bboongbbong over HongUn? Seriously, why has Prime not been playing HongUn? He is the only reason they even made it to the playoffs (beating SlayerS).
I...do not agree with this decision.
You may never know, BB may be a sniper
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All and all, GSTL didn't fail to deliver, again... :D
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On October 08 2011 17:11 Gobe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote: Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast. Well Jinro, you may be unaware, but in this particular forum your argument is invalid because it doesn't involve crying about Terran in some way. Plus some of these guys are at least around platinum and can probably make very insightful and unbiased statements regarding balance. Those two sentences make sense standing next to eachother. and jinro will prob want to be your friend if he reads that
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Why is Prime sending out zergs against a terran who is clearly good at TvZ? I'm baffled.
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On October 08 2011 17:09 Hierarch wrote: MKP vs Noblesse now! There can only be one! Base trader!
There are few if any who are as good as MKP in a Base trade scenario.
I believe!
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On October 08 2011 17:12 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:11 Elurie wrote: Did Creator have enough money to build a dark shrine + DT when Noblesse was building starports + banshee cloak? I wasn't paying attention. iirc he had 600 minerals before he made the nexus
All he had to do was protect his 2 probes and his nexus, make a forge and a canon and there's his detection.
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GSTL finals just can't end on a 5-1 terran sweep. IT CAN'T.
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On October 08 2011 17:08 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote: Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.
Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though... No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw It's pretty funny, Jinro's advice was to 'make an air unit' but I don't think he realises how much of an investment a Stargate is when it's 2 base PvT.
Really...you don't think Jinro realizes how much a Stargate is? Really? Really really?
Call me crazy, but I'm going go out on a big limb here and say Jinro knows more about StarCraft than you.
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On October 08 2011 17:11 Nadagast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote: Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.
Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though... No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw I don't think this is at all true. However, most Protoss play PvT basetrades quite wrong imo. If you're in a basetrade situation where your army is better, it's all about banking a reasonable amount of money (at least enough for a nexus) and saving as many probes as possible (along with the multiple chasing-medivacs-around-cliffs mistakes he did, he sent all of his nat probes to attack marauders being healed by a medivac and nestled into minerals, big mistake imo). Try to kill his CCs fast and bring your probes to your army. Make a nexus and re-establish your economy, make a stargate or more units as needed. This is true. I learned the long hard way from playing practice games with ruff.. whose entire tvp is based around forcing base trades O_O
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Anyone else disappointed with what seems like an all-kill coming from yet another Korean Terran?
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On October 08 2011 17:13 MrCon wrote: GSTL finals just can't end on a 5-1 terran sweep. IT CAN'T. GSTL = Global Starcraft Terran League?
:p
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On October 08 2011 17:13 MrCon wrote: GSTL finals just can't end on a 5-1 terran sweep. IT CAN'T.
Of course it can, it fits all the proper GSL patterns
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On October 08 2011 17:14 Sandro wrote: Anyone else disappointed with what seems like an all-kill coming from yet another Korean Terran?
Yeah I really wanted to see 9 games or a protoss play well TT
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On October 08 2011 17:11 Tehs Tehklz wrote: Bboongbbong over HongUn? Seriously, why has Prime not been playing HongUn? He is the only reason they even made it to the playoffs (beating SlayerS).
I...do not agree with this decision. HongUn has serious wrist issues.
My guess is he doesn't practice nearly as much as he used to and is out of form. Plus they probably don't want him to play a ton of games and suffer through more wrist pain.
Also, his 2base style has mostly been figured out.
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