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Desert Fox
Profile Joined August 2011
United States352 Posts
October 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#1161
On October 08 2011 17:10 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 17:09 Danglars wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote:
Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice


Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance.

That aside, that was a huge mistake.

...

Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING.

.......
And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again.

All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast.

Exactly! It's not rocket science it's base trading 101!

Chasing after medivacs with heavy-zealot gateway? NO!
Abandoning last remaining structures with loaded medivacs flying around?? NO!
Walking from the taldarim far-third to the high ground???? Hell NO!

Walking away from your only buildings = Derp.


No, no guys. According to the experts in every thread involving a TvP, it's because Terran is overpowered. In this case, it's floating buildings. No matter how shitty the Protoss player plays, it always goes back to this victimhood that really makes me regret being a Protoss player sometimes.

Joking aside, really excellent point.
And on the pedestal these words appear -- "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
October 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#1162
On October 08 2011 17:11 Elurie wrote:
Did Creator have enough money to build a dark shrine + DT when Noblesse was building starports + banshee cloak? I wasn't paying attention.


iirc he had 600 minerals before he made the nexus
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Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
October 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#1163
On October 08 2011 17:11 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Bboongbbong over HongUn? Seriously, why has Prime not been playing HongUn? He is the only reason they even made it to the playoffs (beating SlayerS).

I...do not agree with this decision.


Hes not zerg.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#1164
I was wondering why we didn't hear any Nestea jokes yet.
Cackle™
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#1165
Nestea vs Painuser basketball olol
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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
October 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#1166
On October 08 2011 17:11 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Bboongbbong over HongUn? Seriously, why has Prime not been playing HongUn? He is the only reason they even made it to the playoffs (beating SlayerS).

I...do not agree with this decision.


You may never know, BB may be a sniper
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Kroml
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey308 Posts
October 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#1167
All and all, GSTL didn't fail to deliver, again... :D
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
October 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#1168
On October 08 2011 17:11 Gobe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:01 storm44 wrote:
Basetrading with a terran sux since they always have the option to fly their buildings and they are much more mobile, but once they doom drop and your army is out of position theres not really a choice


Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance.

That aside, that was a huge mistake.

...

Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING.

.......
And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again.

All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast.


Well Jinro, you may be unaware, but in this particular forum your argument is invalid because it doesn't involve crying about Terran in some way. Plus some of these guys are at least around platinum and can probably make very insightful and unbiased statements regarding balance.

Those two sentences make sense standing next to eachother. and jinro will prob want to be your friend if he reads that
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#1169
Why is Prime sending out zergs against a terran who is clearly good at TvZ? I'm baffled.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
October 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#1170
On October 08 2011 17:09 Hierarch wrote:
MKP vs Noblesse now! There can only be one! Base trader!


There are few if any who are as good as MKP in a Base trade scenario.

I believe!
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 08:13:33
October 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#1171
On October 08 2011 17:12 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 17:11 Elurie wrote:
Did Creator have enough money to build a dark shrine + DT when Noblesse was building starports + banshee cloak? I wasn't paying attention.


iirc he had 600 minerals before he made the nexus


All he had to do was protect his 2 probes and his nexus, make a forge and a canon and there's his detection.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#1172
GSTL finals just can't end on a 5-1 terran sweep. IT CAN'T.
Brainling
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States660 Posts
October 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#1173
On October 08 2011 17:08 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote:
Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.

Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though...


No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade.


THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw

It's pretty funny, Jinro's advice was to 'make an air unit' but I don't think he realises how much of an investment a Stargate is when it's 2 base PvT.


Really...you don't think Jinro realizes how much a Stargate is? Really? Really really?

Call me crazy, but I'm going go out on a big limb here and say Jinro knows more about StarCraft than you.
"The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us." - Theodore Roosevelt
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
October 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#1174
On October 08 2011 17:11 Nadagast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote:
On October 08 2011 17:02 Jonoman92 wrote:
Geeze, I mean did Noblesse have any chance at losing? His buildings in the corners can't be hit by stalkers I beleive. So even if he Creator had stood on one pylon I think Noblesse may have been able to charge in anyway and kill it.

Never should have lost the nexus at 6 o'clock though...


No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade.


THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw

I don't think this is at all true. However, most Protoss play PvT basetrades quite wrong imo. If you're in a basetrade situation where your army is better, it's all about banking a reasonable amount of money (at least enough for a nexus) and saving as many probes as possible (along with the multiple chasing-medivacs-around-cliffs mistakes he did, he sent all of his nat probes to attack marauders being healed by a medivac and nestled into minerals, big mistake imo). Try to kill his CCs fast and bring your probes to your army. Make a nexus and re-establish your economy, make a stargate or more units as needed.

This is true. I learned the long hard way from playing practice games with ruff.. whose entire tvp is based around forcing base trades O_O
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
October 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#1175
Anyone else disappointed with what seems like an all-kill coming from yet another Korean Terran?
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#1176
On October 08 2011 17:13 MrCon wrote:
GSTL finals just can't end on a 5-1 terran sweep. IT CAN'T.

GSTL = Global Starcraft Terran League?

:p
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
October 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#1177
On October 08 2011 17:13 MrCon wrote:
GSTL finals just can't end on a 5-1 terran sweep. IT CAN'T.


Of course it can, it fits all the proper GSL patterns
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
October 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#1178
On October 08 2011 17:14 Sandro wrote:
Anyone else disappointed with what seems like an all-kill coming from yet another Korean Terran?


Yeah I really wanted to see 9 games or a protoss play well TT
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#1179
On October 08 2011 17:11 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Bboongbbong over HongUn? Seriously, why has Prime not been playing HongUn? He is the only reason they even made it to the playoffs (beating SlayerS).

I...do not agree with this decision.

HongUn has serious wrist issues.

My guess is he doesn't practice nearly as much as he used to and is out of form. Plus they probably don't want him to play a ton of games and suffer through more wrist pain.

Also, his 2base style has mostly been figured out.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#1180
nice hellion catch!
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