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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote: No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:06 Alejandrisha wrote: what did you think of him saccing 30 probes to kill a few units in the nat? think it would have been silly to maynard them across the map before T found the base or just hide them? Yeah I really questioned that decision. If he had all those probes immediately mine from his last nexus he def. would have enough money to get another gateway, cyber, starport. | ||
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kubiks
France1328 Posts
MVP don't have a chance against online marineking | ||
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klops
United States674 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:02 Vorlik wrote: It's bo9 not bo7; so another one. Probably Byun. bo9 = only bboong and MKP left. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:07 doihy wrote: kinda of deserved to lose, as most protoss players do, they just keep their whole army on 1 hotkey and just 1a back and forth kind of seemed that way  Was just a big train of units following around the medivacs hopelessly. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:07 doihy wrote: kinda of deserved to lose, as most protoss players do, they just keep their whole army on 1 hotkey and just 1a back and forth For the most part, terran units completely stomp toss units in terms of efficiency. We can't afford to have small groups of stalkers and lots patrolling because they'll just get blasted away by an equal number of bio units. Creator played that wrong, but not keeping his units together wasn't nearly as big a part as you make it out to be. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:05 Ovreel wrote: No, the worst case situation for Noblesse was a draw, it was his game to win/tie as soon as it became a base trade. This isn't true at all. Noblesse couldn't make another banshee, he only had the one. As soon as Creator kills that banshee and still has his 6 o' clock up with at least 1 probe (or 50 minerals) it's game over. It'd be tough getting supply to build a probe though (if he had no probe, but had 50 minerals.) | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote: ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast. True. watching his units movement get baited everytime made me cringe. But you have to admit with the mobile building, and mobile army with the medivacs, that terran has the far superior race in terms of base trading. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw It's pretty funny, Jinro's advice was to 'make an air unit' but I don't think he realises how much of an investment a Stargate is when it's 2 base PvT. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw Or... you know... he could have protected his nexus. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:03 jalstar wrote: How was he supposed to save the nexus with no detection? Storm | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:07 MooMooMugi wrote: Yeah I really questioned that decision. If he had all those probes immediately mine from his last nexus he def. would have enough money to get another gateway, cyber, starport. The funny thing is he actually killed a bit of the bio there and the argument can be made that he can catch those probes no matter what with stim/shells. Still I prob would have hid them somewhere but idk if that's the right decision | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:03 below66 wrote: Exactly, seems a bit fucked up. Best thing that could happen for P was a draw, while terran always has a chance. That aside, that was a huge mistake. No, if it wasn't for the "LOL I WILL MOVE MY ARMY UP ON THE HIGH GROUND AND GET DROPPED" he could have defended his new nexus and won easily. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
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TheMegabuster123
Canada41 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:07 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: THIS. It's sad but inless Protoss has a couple phoenix laying around they will never beat a T in a base trade all it takes is one barracks in the corner of the map to get a draw You say that like Zergs dont suffer the same fate..>_> | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote: ... Or you could be aware of the fact that terran can float buildings and have an air unit or enough money for a nexus before you do it, and then NOT LOSE THE NEXUS TO THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASE TRADING. ....... And then not losing the rest of your pylons to the same trick, over and over again. All this bashing being said, its insanely stressful to actually play a base trade situation like this in an important match so I dont blame him too much, hes still a beast. Exactly! It's not rocket science it's base trading 101! Chasing after medivacs with heavy-zealot gateway? NO! Abandoning last remaining structures with loaded medivacs flying around?? NO! Walking from the taldarim far-third to the high ground???? Hell NO! | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 08 2011 17:08 Jonoman92 wrote: This isn't true at all. Noblesse couldn't make another banshee, he only had the one. As soon as Creator kills that banshee and still has his 6 o' clock up with at least 1 probe (or 50 minerals) it's game over. It'd be tough getting supply to build a probe though (if he had no probe, but had 50 minerals.) How was creator supposed to know that? | ||
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ScaringKids
Portugal819 Posts
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1197 Posts
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