EPT[GSL] Oct Code S RO16 Day 2 - Page 220
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sirreginold
United States557 Posts
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akomatic
156 Posts
On October 06 2011 06:52 MrCon wrote: yeah that's true. I just wrote the first thing that crossed my mind =) I think the best Zerg players will continue to make "bad engagements". Zerg has the worst ability to scout army movement/position and the most fragile shortest-range army. They have to take educated risks, and can't always honor the idea that their Terran opponent cut no corners in defense. Nestea took an educated risk attacking into Virus's 200/200 mech army on Dual Sight. If Virus was playing slow and safe, Nestea would have been called out for a "bad engagement." But Virus had the slowest army in the game, so he cut corners trying to move it too fast (no sieged tanks), and he got obliterated. tl-dr: the best Zerg players will always look stupid sometimes. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On October 06 2011 08:15 amazingoopah wrote: holy smokes, I can see a path for CLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE to get to the finals.... against MVP most likely, lol, wouldn't that be a series to remember for all time??? Lost forever in another 4-0/4-1 | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On October 06 2011 07:59 Sabu113 wrote: You know.... the stats will mean nothing. We're approaching a point where there aren't enough Ps to matter. Huk's few wins will save the stats. There were a few posts in the last 10 pages where if you replace zerg with protoss you'd be replicating a few hundred posts and responses. Oh but I agree about the stats. What I pointed out is that people only acknowledge the stats that go into their way. In the last winrate thread, the korean statistics weren't published at first. And the int statistics showed a relative good balance. So the thread was full of "but these stats means nothing ! I want korean stats, and they'll show you all !" Then the korean stats happened to be those : + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HvaeL.png) and suddenly all the people that said they wanted korean stats were posting that those stats were meaning nothing. | ||
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Rayansaki
Portugal1266 Posts
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MaximilianKohler
122 Posts
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On October 06 2011 08:56 MaximilianKohler wrote: anyone have a link to free vods? I think they're on this site http://www.ongamenet.com but google translate doesn't work on it, and using copy paste I still can't find a link to sc2/gsl vods. thanks you won't find GSL games on ongamenet | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
On October 06 2011 08:56 MaximilianKohler wrote: anyone have a link to free vods? I think they're on this site http://www.ongamenet.com but google translate doesn't work on it, and using copy paste I still can't find a link to sc2/gsl vods. thanks You have to pay to see GSL vods. It's really cheap though. You can do it through the gomtv.net website. | ||
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ScottChen
Taiwan29 Posts
On October 06 2011 08:11 Disquiet wrote: Seriously guys zerg went 4-5 vs terran today, thats hardly grounds for balance whine. As for the complaints about only one protoss inthe ro16, give the patch a chance, protoss has been performing very well in the GSTL, its just a shame most protoss were already eliminated from code S before it hit. Does people think mule is balanced? In late game zvt , like DRG vs SuperNova in game2, supernova lost a lot of scvs and only has one base. After using mules, his economy is way better than DRG with 3 bases. If you are a protoss or zerg, you have already lost the game. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On October 06 2011 08:02 akomatic wrote: I think the best Zerg players will continue to make "bad engagements". Zerg has the worst ability to scout army movement/position and the most fragile shortest-range army. They have to take educated risks, and can't always honor the idea that their Terran opponent cut no corners in defense. Nestea took an educated risk attacking into Virus's 200/200 mech army on Dual Sight. If Virus was playing slow and safe, Nestea would have been called out for a "bad engagement." But Virus had the slowest army in the game, so he cut corners trying to move it too fast (no sieged tanks), and he got obliterated. tl-dr: the best Zerg players will always look stupid sometimes. Another thing is that the ling/bling portion of zerg army is basically un-microable unlike the marines. There are sooo many engagements where the zerg would win against 99.999% of terran players but because these terrans are so good they can micro their marines to take hardly any damage from the banes and there tanks are in such good positions also. That's the way it seems to me at least. Banes seem to be getting worse and worse in the MU. | ||
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MaximilianKohler
122 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 06 2011 08:02 akomatic wrote: I think the best Zerg players will continue to make "bad engagements". Zerg has the worst ability to scout army movement/position and the most fragile shortest-range army. They have to take educated risks, and can't always honor the idea that their Terran opponent cut no corners in defense. Nestea took an educated risk attacking into Virus's 200/200 mech army on Dual Sight. If Virus was playing slow and safe, Nestea would have been called out for a "bad engagement." But Virus had the slowest army in the game, so he cut corners trying to move it too fast (no sieged tanks), and he got obliterated. tl-dr: the best Zerg players will always look stupid sometimes. i completely agree. especially given the nature of a lot of zerg units, most engagements in ZvT tend to require more commitment than for other matchups. for ling/bane/muta vs marine/tank/medivac, the zerg needs to throw everything he has into the terran meat grinder in order to overrun them. there is no slowly pushing into the terran position/base, you either rush in with everything or you run the hell away. When you inevitably do decide to rush in, you either come out looking like a fucken boss or you look like a complete idiot. on the terran side, youre the one forcing the other to engage so its a lot more often for the Zerg to make a bad engagement because he is usually the one engaging | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 06 2011 09:13 MaximilianKohler wrote: there's no place where you can watch free gsl vods? Not legaly no. And because of that you won't get anyone here to link you it. | ||
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fant0m
964 Posts
On October 06 2011 08:02 akomatic wrote: I think the best Zerg players will continue to make "bad engagements". Zerg has the worst ability to scout army movement/position and the most fragile shortest-range army. They have to take educated risks, and can't always honor the idea that their Terran opponent cut no corners in defense. Nestea took an educated risk attacking into Virus's 200/200 mech army on Dual Sight. If Virus was playing slow and safe, Nestea would have been called out for a "bad engagement." But Virus had the slowest army in the game, so he cut corners trying to move it too fast (no sieged tanks), and he got obliterated. tl-dr: the best Zerg players will always look stupid sometimes. The difference is literally the only way a Terran can looks stupid is if he doesn't hit "E" 3 seconds before the Zerg shows up. It's honestly getting pretty annoying. 6 base vs. 3 base (mined out)? 200 supply vs. 130 supply? Np Terran just gonna win anyway. No other race can do that in any matchup. On October 06 2011 09:13 MaximilianKohler wrote: there's no place where you can watch free gsl vods? Stop killing e-sports, man. | ||
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
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fant0m
964 Posts
On October 06 2011 07:19 TurtlePerson2 wrote: Did anyone else notice that Nestea beat a mech army using primarily banelings? I guess Blizzard will need to adjust their counter chart. When Terran can't manage to hit the "E" button on their siege tanks, sure, banelings do fine. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 06 2011 10:46 fant0m wrote: The difference is literally the only way a Terran can looks stupid is if he doesn't hit "E" 3 seconds before the Zerg shows up. It's honestly getting pretty annoying. 6 base vs. 3 base (mined out)? 200 supply vs. 130 supply? Np Terran just gonna win anyway. No other race can do that in any matchup. Stop killing e-sports, man. Well duh, Tanks have always been dominant since BW. Hell in BW they were stronger. Part of getting a good engagement against Terran is to catch them in a bad position. And Yeah ever since BW terran has always had the most efficient army. Come on man at least go complain at the designated balance discussion thread. TvZ is fine atm. And really Zerg can make a T drop in supply pretty fast anyways and really the games last night were super close and they could have easily gone the other way. | ||
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