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Pretty bad comparison and uneducated comments on boxing by the casters lol. "The strongest guy wins in boxing" not sure if srs. Boxers fight 1-4 times a year, sc2 pros play 100's of tournament games a year very different dynamic
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On October 04 2011 12:46 sAfuRos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 12:43 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:36 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:34 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:27 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:26 kolofome wrote:
elfi didnt deserve that, hasu outplayed him in just about everyway All of you guys claiming Hasu outplayed...i hope you realize PvP at the top level is like 80% decision making. Its all metagame. Edit: that is, almost every top player has good enough micro do almost anything; its the choices and mindgames that win, thus, Hasu losing means Hasu was, at least today, the worse PvPer kthxbai kthxhai, care to explain why it's ~80% in each and every game of PvP? most people are saying that hasuobs is more consistent in his good decision making mid to late game. even players today are unsure of the best way to play. if it means being able to stay alive, and being able to play well in the late game, then yeah, hasuobs did play a better style but fell short. Uh, 80% was an arbitrary number to illustrate the point that PvP is by and far all about the choices you make Care to explain? Yes. Everyone can blink stalkers and move around their colossus. Not fucking hard. Its the reads you make and the choices you make based on them that determine the game. End of story. Hasu isn't bad he just got outplayed. Boom. edit: game 3, no cannon in main was a terrible decision. he was safe from the front and from blink (and he knew it) and thus the only possible threat was dt into main, and he didn't build a single cannon despite having forge game 4: he should have won that game, and i think anyone who knows phoenix pvp and pvp in general realized that. moving down the ramp to defend that one gateway with only one immortal BARELY lost him the game, and if he had had 3 immortals or more it would have just been a move into hasu for hard win, and phoenix/obs to prevent blinking in/map awareness, or just go for base trade because he would have won that too game 5: LOL in general there. if you think hasu outplayed in any way in game 5, you're just wrong i'm gonna stop right there before your edits. you can push your opinion all you want, but there's seriously no need to patronize everbody. these are opinions of others, and what right do you have to go on about rotti? would you rather go cast yourself since your knowledge of the game is that much better? give it a break, please Uhm yes, if i was there and was offered the chance to cast, i would in PvP, because i know what is going on and, if i didn't, i wouldn't act like i did. And patronizing? Its a criticism, i just don't wrap my comments in bullshit fluff. Sorry you and rotty can't take it If you are seriously trying to tell me that rotterdam or bitter were remotely correct in their two calls 1) That blinking into a base with 12 stalkers right into 10 stalkers, 1 sentry, and 4 zealots, is a "definite win" or 2) Blink stalker beats phoenix open easily, than you don't have any idea how to play PvP
You are ruinning this thread just let it go...
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On October 04 2011 12:48 Sphaero wrote:
Hasu didn´t really "deserve" to win this series more than elfi. He made some crucial mistakes. However, elfi did by no means outplay Hasu here. He took two huge gambles and in both cases it payed off. This is a typical example of a player more losing a series than the other winning it.
I also think, that Hasu would have a better shot against Puma (unless Idra pulls off a miracle), because IMO he is overall the better player, especially if you look at all matchup´s. But not always the better player wins. It was nontheless a really entertaining series.
Really curious what the second gamble was. The DTs in game 5 were calculated after he scouted Hasu's main with an obs.
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The practice games between IdrA and PuMa were pre-patch. I think that could affect the result a tiny bit (especially BFH)
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Someone already made the exact same post. Boxing is a bad comparison.
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On October 04 2011 12:46 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 12:43 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:40 Montana[TK] wrote:On October 04 2011 12:39 RotterdaM wrote:On October 04 2011 12:35 sAfuRos wrote:
LOL at kevin trying to push through his bullshit theory on how blink only would have won the shakuras game
WHEN YOU BLINK YOU CANT BLINK AGAIN FOR A WHILE, THUS, WHEN YOU BLINK INTO A BASE AND THEY HAVE ZEALOTS AND NEAR EQUAL STALKERS AND CLOSER REINFORCEMENTS, YOU WILL LOSE WAY MORE AND RUIN YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING
someone send this guy the goddamn memo Mate On what level do you play pvp?  Do you play vs the best protoss players in the world? I play this match-up every day, even against the guys in this tournament, I know a lot about the match-up and i've been in simulair situations on simulair skill level 350 times, I was just asking elfi's opinion, i was trying to push it, I was just wondering since i've seen it happening 300 times , but Im sure you know it better mate care to play some pvps? why do you respond to people like that? seriously. stop it. not even I would consider responding to a post like that and I spend way more time posting on these forums than you do. People "like that" as in people with legitimate criticism of casting? I'm not saying they are bad or even not good, but they shouldn't talk about things they don't know the way they do Sorry i don't sugarcoat my comments like "oh, you guys, well, you did so great, i just think, you know, you might want to consider perhaps potentially not talking as much about things you are maybe not totally 100% certain of, okay? Same message. They don't know the situation, they shouldn't act like they do Rotti does know what hes talking about and Ive actually watched GSL games of that exact situation. He explained his credentials about why he knows what hes talking about and asked for yours. You dodged the question. Stop talking shit and arguing in a LR thread please.
If you want my credentials you can go dig up my accounts on sc2ranks and see that i've been top 200 usa every season until i went relatively inactive when GM was introduced yet i didn't make it, despite having been in the top 200 on two accounts at the time
You can also look at how i was, after GM was introduced, top 10 in the world in masters for 3-4 weeks on icGsAfuRos back in the spring until i went inactive
I'm done with this (although i'll take up rotterdam on his PM offer) and all i have to say is stop getting butthurt just because i don't fellate the casters. I never said anything about them being bad, and my complaint was simply that they shouldn't talk about things they don't know. Never did i say they were bad. So whatever.
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On October 04 2011 12:46 sAfuRos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 12:43 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:36 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:34 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:27 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:26 kolofome wrote:
elfi didnt deserve that, hasu outplayed him in just about everyway All of you guys claiming Hasu outplayed...i hope you realize PvP at the top level is like 80% decision making. Its all metagame. Edit: that is, almost every top player has good enough micro do almost anything; its the choices and mindgames that win, thus, Hasu losing means Hasu was, at least today, the worse PvPer kthxbai kthxhai, care to explain why it's ~80% in each and every game of PvP? most people are saying that hasuobs is more consistent in his good decision making mid to late game. even players today are unsure of the best way to play. if it means being able to stay alive, and being able to play well in the late game, then yeah, hasuobs did play a better style but fell short. Uh, 80% was an arbitrary number to illustrate the point that PvP is by and far all about the choices you make Care to explain? Yes. Everyone can blink stalkers and move around their colossus. Not fucking hard. Its the reads you make and the choices you make based on them that determine the game. End of story. Hasu isn't bad he just got outplayed. Boom. edit: game 3, no cannon in main was a terrible decision. he was safe from the front and from blink (and he knew it) and thus the only possible threat was dt into main, and he didn't build a single cannon despite having forge game 4: he should have won that game, and i think anyone who knows phoenix pvp and pvp in general realized that. moving down the ramp to defend that one gateway with only one immortal BARELY lost him the game, and if he had had 3 immortals or more it would have just been a move into hasu for hard win, and phoenix/obs to prevent blinking in/map awareness, or just go for base trade because he would have won that too game 5: LOL in general there. if you think hasu outplayed in any way in game 5, you're just wrong i'm gonna stop right there before your edits. you can push your opinion all you want, but there's seriously no need to patronize everbody. these are opinions of others, and what right do you have to go on about rotti? would you rather go cast yourself since your knowledge of the game is that much better? give it a break, please Uhm yes, if i was there and was offered the chance to cast, i would in PvP, because i know what is going on and, if i didn't, i wouldn't act like i did. And patronizing? Its a criticism, i just don't wrap my comments in bullshit fluff. Sorry you and rotty can't take it If you are seriously trying to tell me that rotterdam or bitter were remotely correct in their two calls 1) That blinking into a base with 12 stalkers right into 10 stalkers, 1 sentry, and 4 zealots, is a "definite win" or 2) Blink stalker beats phoenix open easily, than you don't have any idea how to play PvP
He would have had more than 12 stalkers if he made some and tried to kill him instead of putting up a DT shrine, no?
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Only got to see games 4 and 5.
Puma and idrA, please give me something more to say for your games... I beg you...
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On October 04 2011 12:49 Thrax wrote:
The practice games between IdrA and PuMa were pre-patch. I think that could affect the result a tiny bit (especially BFH)
If puma wins then he will take first pre patch or post patch but if Idra wins than I cant see him beating Elfi.
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Please scout the double factory idra 
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Second spine crawler - great idea.
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He's gonna need more than one spine against Puma hellions. He needs sim city.
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On October 04 2011 12:49 ScaringKids wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 12:46 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:43 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:36 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:34 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:27 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:26 kolofome wrote:
elfi didnt deserve that, hasu outplayed him in just about everyway All of you guys claiming Hasu outplayed...i hope you realize PvP at the top level is like 80% decision making. Its all metagame. Edit: that is, almost every top player has good enough micro do almost anything; its the choices and mindgames that win, thus, Hasu losing means Hasu was, at least today, the worse PvPer kthxbai kthxhai, care to explain why it's ~80% in each and every game of PvP? most people are saying that hasuobs is more consistent in his good decision making mid to late game. even players today are unsure of the best way to play. if it means being able to stay alive, and being able to play well in the late game, then yeah, hasuobs did play a better style but fell short. Uh, 80% was an arbitrary number to illustrate the point that PvP is by and far all about the choices you make Care to explain? Yes. Everyone can blink stalkers and move around their colossus. Not fucking hard. Its the reads you make and the choices you make based on them that determine the game. End of story. Hasu isn't bad he just got outplayed. Boom. edit: game 3, no cannon in main was a terrible decision. he was safe from the front and from blink (and he knew it) and thus the only possible threat was dt into main, and he didn't build a single cannon despite having forge game 4: he should have won that game, and i think anyone who knows phoenix pvp and pvp in general realized that. moving down the ramp to defend that one gateway with only one immortal BARELY lost him the game, and if he had had 3 immortals or more it would have just been a move into hasu for hard win, and phoenix/obs to prevent blinking in/map awareness, or just go for base trade because he would have won that too game 5: LOL in general there. if you think hasu outplayed in any way in game 5, you're just wrong i'm gonna stop right there before your edits. you can push your opinion all you want, but there's seriously no need to patronize everbody. these are opinions of others, and what right do you have to go on about rotti? would you rather go cast yourself since your knowledge of the game is that much better? give it a break, please Uhm yes, if i was there and was offered the chance to cast, i would in PvP, because i know what is going on and, if i didn't, i wouldn't act like i did. And patronizing? Its a criticism, i just don't wrap my comments in bullshit fluff. Sorry you and rotty can't take it If you are seriously trying to tell me that rotterdam or bitter were remotely correct in their two calls 1) That blinking into a base with 12 stalkers right into 10 stalkers, 1 sentry, and 4 zealots, is a "definite win" or 2) Blink stalker beats phoenix open easily, than you don't have any idea how to play PvP You are ruinning this thread just let it go...
i dont wanna push this thing but hes(saufuros) right. but fanbois...
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Ugh, idra super supply blocked.
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Idra should really creep his main base imo.
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On October 04 2011 12:50 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 12:46 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:43 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:36 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:34 nanaoei wrote:On October 04 2011 12:27 sAfuRos wrote:On October 04 2011 12:26 kolofome wrote:
elfi didnt deserve that, hasu outplayed him in just about everyway All of you guys claiming Hasu outplayed...i hope you realize PvP at the top level is like 80% decision making. Its all metagame. Edit: that is, almost every top player has good enough micro do almost anything; its the choices and mindgames that win, thus, Hasu losing means Hasu was, at least today, the worse PvPer kthxbai kthxhai, care to explain why it's ~80% in each and every game of PvP? most people are saying that hasuobs is more consistent in his good decision making mid to late game. even players today are unsure of the best way to play. if it means being able to stay alive, and being able to play well in the late game, then yeah, hasuobs did play a better style but fell short. Uh, 80% was an arbitrary number to illustrate the point that PvP is by and far all about the choices you make Care to explain? Yes. Everyone can blink stalkers and move around their colossus. Not fucking hard. Its the reads you make and the choices you make based on them that determine the game. End of story. Hasu isn't bad he just got outplayed. Boom. edit: game 3, no cannon in main was a terrible decision. he was safe from the front and from blink (and he knew it) and thus the only possible threat was dt into main, and he didn't build a single cannon despite having forge game 4: he should have won that game, and i think anyone who knows phoenix pvp and pvp in general realized that. moving down the ramp to defend that one gateway with only one immortal BARELY lost him the game, and if he had had 3 immortals or more it would have just been a move into hasu for hard win, and phoenix/obs to prevent blinking in/map awareness, or just go for base trade because he would have won that too game 5: LOL in general there. if you think hasu outplayed in any way in game 5, you're just wrong i'm gonna stop right there before your edits. you can push your opinion all you want, but there's seriously no need to patronize everbody. these are opinions of others, and what right do you have to go on about rotti? would you rather go cast yourself since your knowledge of the game is that much better? give it a break, please Uhm yes, if i was there and was offered the chance to cast, i would in PvP, because i know what is going on and, if i didn't, i wouldn't act like i did. And patronizing? Its a criticism, i just don't wrap my comments in bullshit fluff. Sorry you and rotty can't take it If you are seriously trying to tell me that rotterdam or bitter were remotely correct in their two calls 1) That blinking into a base with 12 stalkers right into 10 stalkers, 1 sentry, and 4 zealots, is a "definite win" or 2) Blink stalker beats phoenix open easily, than you don't have any idea how to play PvP He would have had more than 12 stalkers if he made some and tried to kill him instead of putting up a DT shrine, no?
Not really, this was in reference to right around when elfi chose to stop making stalker rounds, and was about if he had instead made a stalker round instead.
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IdrA looks like hes way ahead in tech.
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IdrA playing extremely well right now.
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Such high level play from both players I'm loving this.
Just stuper standard amazing play.
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WOW IdrA picks up an octodrop
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