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oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1661
On November 05 2011 01:18 Alpina wrote:
hahaha pylon block is disabled on ESL map :D Finally zergs got some justice as well.

isn't it disabled on MLG and GSL maps also?
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1662
Why wouldn't you just assume that pylon blocks are disabled on any non-ladder versions? I mean, that's literally the only difference between some ladder maps and their tournament counterparts.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1663
On November 05 2011 01:14 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:08 Logros wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:05 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:02 MCDayC wrote:
TT1, what do you do when you see mass muta?


popular belief is phoenixs but i dont like to do that, if u cant hallu scout with phoenixs 24/7 then u should go stargate cus u always have to be ready for a mut switch but if u scout correctly(which ill admit is hard) then u can hold it with blink stalkers + cannons(u need an early 3rd tho) while making an op army(cus mut comps are extremely weak obv), the key is being ready for the transition beforehand.. if u get caught off guard then ur pretty much fucked

I've held it off quite a few times with blink stalkers, archon, cannons etc and built up to a deathball. But the zergs always just go for a basetrade if you move out to take another base or attack. Doesn't matter if your army is stronger than his with zerg bases all over the map there's almost no way to win a basetrade .


theres actually no way to win a basetrade, just gotta mass cannon + sentry to hold the counters but the problem with that is that it puts ur econ so far behind which makes ur 200 200 push sorta allinish, and if the z chooses not to basetrade with u and just engages ur army that makes for alot of wasted mins on static d =/, ur obv gonna win the 200 vs 200 engamgents vs the z but by then hes usually on 4-5 bases and has enought econ to max out 2-3 times so they eventually manage to whittle ur army down

Yeah that's exactly my problem atm. Maybe I'll just have to try 2 stargate phoenix to try and force them out of muta's.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
November 04 2011 16:20 GMT
#1664
On November 05 2011 01:18 ThirdEye wrote:
Ret is such a coward going mutas lol. Insta win against almost every protoss, atleast without blink.

Gogo research blink within 5 minutes now Ra, just in case :>



I wouldn't call Ret a coward.
But yes going muta vs toss imo is a cheap way to try and win. It basically forces a 2 base allin 90 percent of the time.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
November 04 2011 16:20 GMT
#1665
On November 05 2011 01:19 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:18 Alpina wrote:
hahaha pylon block is disabled on ESL map :D Finally zergs got some justice as well.

isn't it disabled on MLG and GSL maps also?


with a visable depot not invis blocker
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 04 2011 16:20 GMT
#1666
On November 05 2011 01:18 ThirdEye wrote:
Ret is such a coward going mutas lol. Insta win against almost every protoss, atleast without blink.

Gogo research blink within 5 minutes now Ra, just in case :>


I had no idea using a strategy that is successful is now considered cowardly.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
November 04 2011 16:20 GMT
#1667
On November 05 2011 01:19 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:14 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:08 Logros wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:05 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:02 MCDayC wrote:
TT1, what do you do when you see mass muta?


popular belief is phoenixs but i dont like to do that, if u cant hallu scout with phoenixs 24/7 then u should go stargate cus u always have to be ready for a mut switch but if u scout correctly(which ill admit is hard) then u can hold it with blink stalkers + cannons(u need an early 3rd tho) while making an op army(cus mut comps are extremely weak obv), the key is being ready for the transition beforehand.. if u get caught off guard then ur pretty much fucked

I've held it off quite a few times with blink stalkers, archon, cannons etc and built up to a deathball. But the zergs always just go for a basetrade if you move out to take another base or attack. Doesn't matter if your army is stronger than his with zerg bases all over the map there's almost no way to win a basetrade .


theres actually no way to win a basetrade, just gotta mass cannon + sentry to hold the counters but the problem with that is that it puts ur econ so far behind which makes ur 200 200 push sorta allinish, and if the z chooses not to basetrade with u and just engages ur army that makes for alot of wasted mins on static d =/, ur obv gonna win the 200 vs 200 engamgents vs the z but by then hes usually on 4-5 bases and has enought econ to max out 2-3 times so they eventually manage to whittle ur army down

Yeah that's exactly my problem atm. Maybe I'll just have to try 2 stargate phoenix to try and force them out of muta's.


dont worry brothers ur not alone~~
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sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
November 04 2011 16:20 GMT
#1668
On November 05 2011 01:19 templar rage wrote:
Why wouldn't you just assume that pylon blocks are disabled on any non-ladder versions? I mean, that's literally the only difference between some ladder maps and their tournament counterparts.


Why isn't there a supply depot there? Quite ridicolous to be honest, seems obvious that White-ra didn't know it. Losing because of lack of information about their map version is just lame...
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
November 04 2011 16:20 GMT
#1669
Ret Vs WhiteRa is not an even matchup. WhiteRa can pull an upset off of anyone but Ret is one of the best foriegn zergs in the world and Ret greatest strength is consistently beating other foriegners.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 04 2011 16:21 GMT
#1670
On November 05 2011 01:20 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:18 ThirdEye wrote:
Ret is such a coward going mutas lol. Insta win against almost every protoss, atleast without blink.

Gogo research blink within 5 minutes now Ra, just in case :>



I wouldn't call Ret a coward.
But yes going muta vs toss imo is a cheap way to try and win. It basically forces a 2 base allin 90 percent of the time.

karma for going 6 gate/7 gate/proxy 2 gate/a lot of things protoss can do.
DoLookMoreLike
Profile Joined January 2011
155 Posts
November 04 2011 16:21 GMT
#1671
On November 05 2011 01:17 Kevan wrote:
Too bad you can't fully walloff the ramp with 3 pylons on that version of the map.


That's a good thing tho. It's a bummer White-ra didn't know it. If he did we might have gotten a better game.
Rndm
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 04 2011 16:21 GMT
#1672
Did Apollo just imply HongUn is one of the best protoss in the world? Not sure if I agree. Being in Code S doesn't necessarily make you a great player.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
November 04 2011 16:22 GMT
#1673
On November 05 2011 01:18 Kira__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:17 Whalecore wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:14 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:08 Logros wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:05 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:02 MCDayC wrote:
TT1, what do you do when you see mass muta?


popular belief is phoenixs but i dont like to do that, if u cant hallu scout with phoenixs 24/7 then u should go stargate cus u always have to be ready for a mut switch but if u scout correctly(which ill admit is hard) then u can hold it with blink stalkers + cannons(u need an early 3rd tho) while making an op army(cus mut comps are extremely weak obv), the key is being ready for the transition beforehand.. if u get caught off guard then ur pretty much fucked

I've held it off quite a few times with blink stalkers, archon, cannons etc and built up to a deathball. But the zergs always just go for a basetrade if you move out to take another base or attack. Doesn't matter if your army is stronger than his with zerg bases all over the map there's almost no way to win a basetrade .


theres actually no way to win a basetrade, just gotta mass cannon + sentry to hold the counters but the problem with that is that it puts ur econ so far behind which makes ur 200 200 push sorta allinish, and if the z chooses not to basetrade with u and just engages ur army that makes for alot of wasted mins on static d =/, ur obv gonna win the 200 vs 200 engamgents vs the z but by then hes usually on 4-5 bases and has enought econ to max out 2-3 times so they eventually manage to whittle ur army down

This.

I think the best way to beat a muta zerg is to punish him with a gateway heavy army right before the mutas pop.

However, there is no way to know if he is going muta, roach/hydra or infestor/ling until you're actually knocking on his door.

PvZ is hard these days


You could get hallucination.

This will slow down the gateway push a lot, remember that warp gate research and hallucination are researched from the same building. And if you're going 6/7gate blink you need the chrono for the upgrades and the blink upgrade or the push will be too late.
Playgu
mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
November 04 2011 16:22 GMT
#1674
Elfi's statement following his win against HuK!
http://www.aceresport.com/uk/news/226.htm

+ Show Spoiler +
"Hello everyone! I've just played against HuK and managed to beat him 3-1 but let's recap a little bit. I was confident to face him since my PvP is really good so I was thinking my chances are 50-50. The first game didn't go the way I wanted. I made a scouting mistake which cost me the map but because of that I was able to take 2nd map easily since HuK thought it would be easy to win against my 4-Gate again with the same strategy. This time I was able to scout it and won the game easily and since I made 4-Gate two times in a row I was able to bluff it in the third game and got a very big advantage and won the game. In the last game I decided to go 4-Gate again this time. I was thinking that this match wasn't going well since HuK made 2 fast stalkers to defend but he didn't come down so I was able to get a pylon fairly close and with faster warp tech I won the game. Even though I won the game I was a bit disappointed with my playing. I made a lot of mistakes in the 1st and 3rd games and I think HuK wasn't playing at his top level that he could so next time it will definitely be harder but we'll see tomorrow. I'm playing against SeleCT next and I think I'm the big underdog but I think I can surprise him so wish me luck!"
Head of New Business at Team Kinguin :: https://www.teamkinguin.com
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
November 04 2011 16:22 GMT
#1675
Nydus inc
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2011 16:22 GMT
#1676
Whoa 5 minute lair from ret on terminus?

It has to be a nydus into the third I'd imagine.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 04 2011 16:22 GMT
#1677
On November 05 2011 01:20 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:18 ThirdEye wrote:
Ret is such a coward going mutas lol. Insta win against almost every protoss, atleast without blink.

Gogo research blink within 5 minutes now Ra, just in case :>



I wouldn't call Ret a coward.
But yes going muta vs toss imo is a cheap way to try and win. It basically forces a 2 base allin 90 percent of the time.


What would you call 3 pylon cannon contain? Ret went mutas because Whiteras opener completely failed and he wouldn't be able to get out adequate defences due to how far back he was.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
November 04 2011 16:22 GMT
#1678
Anybody else getting screen tearing?
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
November 04 2011 16:22 GMT
#1679
On November 05 2011 01:19 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:18 Titorelli wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:17 Chewbacca. wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:14 Titorelli wrote:
Is ret in destruction mode again? If so, I can see him winning vs Idra...


I don't know if you can say Ret is in destruction mode based on those two games.

The first game Ret counters Whiteras Warpprism/zealot/fast 3rd play perfectly with mutas and the second game Whitera just basically auto lost as soon as his pylon/cannon contain failed.

I just saw the score, not the actual games


Haha ok then. Obviosuly Ret has a decent chance against Idra no matter if he is in "destruction mode" or not. :D

haha yeah by destruction mode I mean his level of play that he showed during the EU blizzcon qualifier for example
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
November 04 2011 16:23 GMT
#1680
On November 05 2011 01:20 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:18 ThirdEye wrote:
Ret is such a coward going mutas lol. Insta win against almost every protoss, atleast without blink.

Gogo research blink within 5 minutes now Ra, just in case :>


I had no idea using a strategy that is successful is now considered cowardly.


Its abusive, lol.

LR threads:

Attacks early = cheese
Uses the strengths of its race= abusive
Makes a timming attack= all in
etc..

Don't mind those comments
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