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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 04 2011 16:16 GMT
#1641
On November 05 2011 01:13 irongar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:12 FairForever wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:09 Alpina wrote:
that was fail, wonder why he didn't make a full 3 pylon wall of, but even thenlings where already building..


Yeah I'm not sure he would've gotten the cannon down anyway, probably would have and killed a few lings/drones but still not worth the 450 investment.

Typically when I pool first on 13 or 14 I can get the lings out before they do the wall-off (assuming they wall after I place a hatch at 16).


How do you hatch on 16 and then get your pool on 13 or 14? Kill of some drones?


What?

14 pool 16 hatch...

If they wall after I place the hatch @ 16 (which White-Ra did in this case) I can get the lings down, kill a pylon (with help from 3 drones before lings pop), lose a couple drones/lings and be okay. Investment worth it since the Toss' Natural Nexus comes up so late...
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#1642
Too bad you can't fully walloff the ramp with 3 pylons on that version of the map.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#1643
On November 05 2011 01:15 ambrosiaa wrote:
What are the scores of these games? Will there be VODS?


Twitch.tv always has vods. For scores:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ASUS_ROG_Stars_Invite#Bracket



Could the OP put this in the first post please. So many people asking.
For newcomers. You can always click 'stars invite live' in the upper right as well.
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irongar
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany21 Posts
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#1644
On November 05 2011 01:15 templar rage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:13 irongar wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:12 FairForever wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:09 Alpina wrote:
that was fail, wonder why he didn't make a full 3 pylon wall of, but even thenlings where already building..


Yeah I'm not sure he would've gotten the cannon down anyway, probably would have and killed a few lings/drones but still not worth the 450 investment.

Typically when I pool first on 13 or 14 I can get the lings out before they do the wall-off (assuming they wall after I place a hatch at 16).


How do you hatch on 16 and then get your pool on 13 or 14? Kill of some drones?



He said "pool first". . .


Ah Ok, I asummed he ment pool before gas, cuz pylon wall is preatty bad vs pool before hatch.
Train Hard Go Pro!
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#1645
On November 05 2011 01:14 Titorelli wrote:
Is ret in destruction mode again? If so, I can see him winning vs Idra...


I don't know if you can say Ret is in destruction mode based on those two games.

The first game Ret counters Whiteras Warpprism/zealot/fast 3rd play perfectly with mutas and the second game Whitera just basically auto lost as soon as his pylon/cannon contain failed.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 16:17:39
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#1646
On November 05 2011 01:14 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:08 Logros wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:05 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:02 MCDayC wrote:
TT1, what do you do when you see mass muta?


popular belief is phoenixs but i dont like to do that, if u cant hallu scout with phoenixs 24/7 then u should go stargate cus u always have to be ready for a mut switch but if u scout correctly(which ill admit is hard) then u can hold it with blink stalkers + cannons(u need an early 3rd tho) while making an op army(cus mut comps are extremely weak obv), the key is being ready for the transition beforehand.. if u get caught off guard then ur pretty much fucked

I've held it off quite a few times with blink stalkers, archon, cannons etc and built up to a deathball. But the zergs always just go for a basetrade if you move out to take another base or attack. Doesn't matter if your army is stronger than his with zerg bases all over the map there's almost no way to win a basetrade .


theres actually no way to win a basetrade, just gotta mass cannon + sentry to hold the counters but the problem with that is that it puts ur econ so far behind which makes ur 200 200 push sorta allinish, and if the z chooses not to basetrade with u and just engages ur army that makes for alot of wasted mins on static d =/, ur obv gonna win the 200 vs 200 engamgents vs the z but by then hes usually on 4-5 bases and has enought econ to max out 2-3 times so they eventually manage to whittle ur army down

This.

I think the best way to beat a muta zerg is to punish him with a gateway heavy army right before the mutas pop.

However, there is no way to know if he is going muta, roach/hydra or infestor/ling until you're actually knocking on his door.

PvZ is hard these days
Playgu
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#1647
On November 05 2011 01:05 Khalum wrote:
I'm sorry if I missed something obvious.. but is there a way to see results besides reading every page of this thread?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ASUS_ROG_Stars_Invite#Bracket
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10036 Posts
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#1648
On November 05 2011 01:17 Kevan wrote:
Too bad you can't fully walloff the ramp with 3 pylons on that version of the map.


wat? u sure about that? woulda been nice if some1 had told whitera beforehand lol
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Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
November 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1649
On November 05 2011 01:17 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:14 Titorelli wrote:
Is ret in destruction mode again? If so, I can see him winning vs Idra...


I don't know if you can say Ret is in destruction mode based on those two games.

The first game Ret counters Whiteras Warpprism/zealot/fast 3rd play perfectly with mutas and the second game Whitera just basically auto lost as soon as his pylon/cannon contain failed.

I just saw the score, not the actual games
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
ThirdEye
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway15 Posts
November 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1650
Ret is such a coward going mutas lol. Insta win against almost every protoss, atleast without blink.

Gogo research blink within 5 minutes now Ra, just in case :>
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
November 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1651
On November 05 2011 01:17 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:14 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:08 Logros wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:05 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:02 MCDayC wrote:
TT1, what do you do when you see mass muta?


popular belief is phoenixs but i dont like to do that, if u cant hallu scout with phoenixs 24/7 then u should go stargate cus u always have to be ready for a mut switch but if u scout correctly(which ill admit is hard) then u can hold it with blink stalkers + cannons(u need an early 3rd tho) while making an op army(cus mut comps are extremely weak obv), the key is being ready for the transition beforehand.. if u get caught off guard then ur pretty much fucked

I've held it off quite a few times with blink stalkers, archon, cannons etc and built up to a deathball. But the zergs always just go for a basetrade if you move out to take another base or attack. Doesn't matter if your army is stronger than his with zerg bases all over the map there's almost no way to win a basetrade .


theres actually no way to win a basetrade, just gotta mass cannon + sentry to hold the counters but the problem with that is that it puts ur econ so far behind which makes ur 200 200 push sorta allinish, and if the z chooses not to basetrade with u and just engages ur army that makes for alot of wasted mins on static d =/, ur obv gonna win the 200 vs 200 engamgents vs the z but by then hes usually on 4-5 bases and has enought econ to max out 2-3 times so they eventually manage to whittle ur army down

This.

I think the best way to beat a muta zerg is to punish him with a gateway heavy army right before the mutas pop.

However, there is no way to know if he is going muta, roach/hydra or infestor/ling until you're actually knocking on his door.

PvZ is hard these days


You could get hallucination.
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
herberckl
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany117 Posts
November 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1652
are there any good games left today? i kind of want to play some battlefield 3 but i dont want to miss awesome games.
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
November 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1653
On November 05 2011 01:17 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:17 Kevan wrote:
Too bad you can't fully walloff the ramp with 3 pylons on that version of the map.


wat? u sure about that? woulda been nice if some1 had told whitera beforehand lol


Yep, they even said it on stream now lol.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
November 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1654
Ah man, screwed by the map, that's got to sting.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
November 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1655
hahaha pylon block is disabled on ESL map :D Finally zergs got some justice as well.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1656
On November 05 2011 01:18 Titorelli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:17 Chewbacca. wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:14 Titorelli wrote:
Is ret in destruction mode again? If so, I can see him winning vs Idra...


I don't know if you can say Ret is in destruction mode based on those two games.

The first game Ret counters Whiteras Warpprism/zealot/fast 3rd play perfectly with mutas and the second game Whitera just basically auto lost as soon as his pylon/cannon contain failed.

I just saw the score, not the actual games


Haha ok then. Obviosuly Ret has a decent chance against Idra no matter if he is in "destruction mode" or not. :D
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1657
Reditt,you heard the man,get on it.
Cackle™
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 16:22:07
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1658
On November 05 2011 01:17 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:17 Kevan wrote:
Too bad you can't fully walloff the ramp with 3 pylons on that version of the map.


wat? u sure about that? woulda been nice if some1 had told whitera beforehand lol


yea it was NASL i think, so sad...

edit: it was ESL D:D:
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1659
On November 05 2011 01:18 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:17 TT1 wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:17 Kevan wrote:
Too bad you can't fully walloff the ramp with 3 pylons on that version of the map.


wat? u sure about that? woulda been nice if some1 had told whitera beforehand lol


Yep, they even said it on stream now lol.


White-Ra should've practiced on the map, no? It's not someone else's responsibility to say it.

Although on the ESL website they should really note what changes they've made to the regular maps.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#1660
On November 05 2011 01:17 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:17 Kevan wrote:
Too bad you can't fully walloff the ramp with 3 pylons on that version of the map.


wat? u sure about that? woulda been nice if some1 had told whitera beforehand lol

It's definitely his responsibility to figure it out, especially if that version is ESL, which he should know. I mean, he knows you can't do that on most tournament maps, only ladder still allows that kinda thing to happen.
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