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DiamondTear
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland165 Posts
September 26 2011 21:18 GMT
#201
I laughed quite hard at Kespa.

I trust GOMTV to remedy the situation and organize a tournament similar to the WC in the spring-summer 2011.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
September 26 2011 21:20 GMT
#202
On September 27 2011 06:13 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:07 wassbix wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.


The profound silliness of this whole thread is that Kespa is blamed for not having jurisdiction over SC2, when a year ago people were celebrating that SC2 would be free from the tyranny of Kespa....

What.

Grr Kespa did not select a SC2 rep for IeSF, they are fucking esports durrr. Fuck Kespa!!!

*Ignores the fact that they have no registered SC2 pro, they were specifically ostracized by Blizzard for being involved with SC2*

lol yeah, in the SC2Con thread people were saying that they don't want Kespa involved in SC2 at all. Then the same people come to this thread and moan about how Kespa is not getting involved in SC2.


You don't have to get involved to send out invites to a SC2 tournament you're already partially organizing, especially when it is your responsibility to do so. If they do not want that responsibilty there are other bodies ready to step up and help out.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
September 26 2011 21:21 GMT
#203
On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.



Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken.


You don't even understand what i said so i don't think you understand the situation at all. The only benefit of Blizzard's forced involvement into Korean eSports is the control over gretech and licensing fee's. They put money into it as well of course but that doesn't depend on their involvement and blocking out of the official body of eSports in the country.

As for KeSPA being a detriment, cite your sources prehaps? The only reason BW people even dislike them is referee decisions (which although dumb were simply following the laid out rules). KeSPA is made up by representatives of the various corporations that run the teams, put a ton of money into the game(s) and make the entire scene run, and have given Blizzard countless hours of free publicity by broadcasting it's games, resulting in a large portion of the entire games sales. If that's a detriment then SC2 looks like it could really use a detriment; maybe the Korean players can all get salaries then and not live from prize money.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
September 26 2011 21:21 GMT
#204
On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.



Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken.


You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW.

Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL.

But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 26 2011 21:24 GMT
#205
How stupid of them... Don't see why they would do this.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
nathangonmad
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom317 Posts
September 26 2011 21:26 GMT
#206
Oh Kespa, oh you.
Keep trying Leenock
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
September 26 2011 21:26 GMT
#207
On September 27 2011 06:20 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:13 Ryo wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:07 wassbix wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.


The profound silliness of this whole thread is that Kespa is blamed for not having jurisdiction over SC2, when a year ago people were celebrating that SC2 would be free from the tyranny of Kespa....

What.

Grr Kespa did not select a SC2 rep for IeSF, they are fucking esports durrr. Fuck Kespa!!!

*Ignores the fact that they have no registered SC2 pro, they were specifically ostracized by Blizzard for being involved with SC2*

lol yeah, in the SC2Con thread people were saying that they don't want Kespa involved in SC2 at all. Then the same people come to this thread and moan about how Kespa is not getting involved in SC2.


You don't have to get involved to send out invites to a SC2 tournament you're already partially organizing, especially when it is your responsibility to do so. If they do not want that responsibilty there are other bodies ready to step up and help out.

So many contradictions in your post.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 21:34:57
September 26 2011 21:28 GMT
#208
On September 27 2011 06:26 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:20 Longshank wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:13 Ryo wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:07 wassbix wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.


The profound silliness of this whole thread is that Kespa is blamed for not having jurisdiction over SC2, when a year ago people were celebrating that SC2 would be free from the tyranny of Kespa....

What.

Grr Kespa did not select a SC2 rep for IeSF, they are fucking esports durrr. Fuck Kespa!!!

*Ignores the fact that they have no registered SC2 pro, they were specifically ostracized by Blizzard for being involved with SC2*

lol yeah, in the SC2Con thread people were saying that they don't want Kespa involved in SC2 at all. Then the same people come to this thread and moan about how Kespa is not getting involved in SC2.


You don't have to get involved to send out invites to a SC2 tournament you're already partially organizing, especially when it is your responsibility to do so. If they do not want that responsibilty there are other bodies ready to step up and help out.

So many contradictions in your post.


Go on please,

edit: nvm, yeah there were some contradictions. Still though, they don't have to get involved in Korean SC2 in order to fullfill their responibilities of sending out invites or asking someone else to arrange a qualifier.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
September 26 2011 21:30 GMT
#209
Is it really that hard to just ask GOM to take over qualifiers/selection for the SC2 part of the tournament? Does it hurt in any way to do so?
Taengoo ♥
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 21:33:00
September 26 2011 21:30 GMT
#210
On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.



Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken.


You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW.

Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL.

But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things.


The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3.

On September 27 2011 06:21 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.



Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken.


You don't even understand what i said so i don't think you understand the situation at all. The only benefit of Blizzard's forced involvement into Korean eSports is the control over gretech and licensing fee's. They put money into it as well of course but that doesn't depend on their involvement and blocking out of the official body of eSports in the country.

As for KeSPA being a detriment, cite your sources prehaps? The only reason BW people even dislike them is referee decisions (which although dumb were simply following the laid out rules). KeSPA is made up by representatives of the various corporations that run the teams, put a ton of money into the game(s) and make the entire scene run, and have given Blizzard countless hours of free publicity by broadcasting it's games, resulting in a large portion of the entire games sales. If that's a detriment then SC2 looks like it could really use a detriment; maybe the Korean players can all get salaries then and not live from prize money.



You cant blame me for your poor communication skills. And no, that isnt the "only reason" why people disliked KeSPA. They were an extremely controlling organization that suffocated broodwar and the only reason broodwar did well is because it basically became part of Korean culture. Saying if KeSPA came into SC2 and all of a sudden they could just hand out salaries to everybody is just stupid posting.
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wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
September 26 2011 21:31 GMT
#211
On September 27 2011 06:26 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:20 Longshank wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:13 Ryo wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:07 wassbix wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.


The profound silliness of this whole thread is that Kespa is blamed for not having jurisdiction over SC2, when a year ago people were celebrating that SC2 would be free from the tyranny of Kespa....

What.

Grr Kespa did not select a SC2 rep for IeSF, they are fucking esports durrr. Fuck Kespa!!!

*Ignores the fact that they have no registered SC2 pro, they were specifically ostracized by Blizzard for being involved with SC2*

lol yeah, in the SC2Con thread people were saying that they don't want Kespa involved in SC2 at all. Then the same people come to this thread and moan about how Kespa is not getting involved in SC2.


You don't have to get involved to send out invites to a SC2 tournament you're already partially organizing, especially when it is your responsibility to do so. If they do not want that responsibilty there are other bodies ready to step up and help out.

So many contradictions in your post.



Hey man! just because they aren't involved doesn't mean they shouldn't be involved and organize a qualifier for a thing they aren't involved in.

Especially for the people that told them not to be involved in the first place, and ran their name in the mud internationally.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
September 26 2011 21:33 GMT
#212
On September 27 2011 04:46 pPingu wrote:
So, will this be the first ever korean tournament won by a foreigner?

Someone before Boxer won a Starcraft One tournament back in 2000
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 26 2011 21:33 GMT
#213
What exactly is the relationship between Kespa and IeSF anyhow? Milkis mentioned the former created the latter, but does that mean they have ownership? Did IeSF become independent and now is only working with Kespa as a partner? If Kespa has influence with them, I wonder why they picked SC2 in the first place.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
September 26 2011 21:34 GMT
#214
LOL @ Kespa. They give Blizzard back SC1
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
September 26 2011 21:42 GMT
#215
On September 27 2011 06:31 wassbix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:26 Ryo wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:20 Longshank wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:13 Ryo wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:07 wassbix wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.


The profound silliness of this whole thread is that Kespa is blamed for not having jurisdiction over SC2, when a year ago people were celebrating that SC2 would be free from the tyranny of Kespa....

What.

Grr Kespa did not select a SC2 rep for IeSF, they are fucking esports durrr. Fuck Kespa!!!

*Ignores the fact that they have no registered SC2 pro, they were specifically ostracized by Blizzard for being involved with SC2*

lol yeah, in the SC2Con thread people were saying that they don't want Kespa involved in SC2 at all. Then the same people come to this thread and moan about how Kespa is not getting involved in SC2.


You don't have to get involved to send out invites to a SC2 tournament you're already partially organizing, especially when it is your responsibility to do so. If they do not want that responsibilty there are other bodies ready to step up and help out.

So many contradictions in your post.



Hey man! just because they aren't involved doesn't mean they shouldn't be involved and organize a qualifier for a thing they aren't involved in.

Especially for the people that told them not to be involved in the first place, and ran their name in the mud internationally.


They are tasked by IeSF to chose players for their tournament. Are you saying IeSF ran their name in the mud? You make little sense.
Colpan
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States196 Posts
September 26 2011 21:43 GMT
#216
On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.



Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken.


You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW.

Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL.

But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things.


The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3.

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:21 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.



Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken.


You don't even understand what i said so i don't think you understand the situation at all. The only benefit of Blizzard's forced involvement into Korean eSports is the control over gretech and licensing fee's. They put money into it as well of course but that doesn't depend on their involvement and blocking out of the official body of eSports in the country.

As for KeSPA being a detriment, cite your sources prehaps? The only reason BW people even dislike them is referee decisions (which although dumb were simply following the laid out rules). KeSPA is made up by representatives of the various corporations that run the teams, put a ton of money into the game(s) and make the entire scene run, and have given Blizzard countless hours of free publicity by broadcasting it's games, resulting in a large portion of the entire games sales. If that's a detriment then SC2 looks like it could really use a detriment; maybe the Korean players can all get salaries then and not live from prize money.



You cant blame me for your poor communication skills. And no, that isnt the "only reason" why people disliked KeSPA. They were an extremely controlling organization that suffocated broodwar and the only reason broodwar did well is because it basically became part of Korean culture. Saying if KeSPA came into SC2 and all of a sudden they could just hand out salaries to everybody is just stupid posting.



I don't think he had any trouble with the communication, it is pretty clear what he said. Sadly, you carry the same mindset a lot of people on TL have towards KeSPA which is completely biased and completely based on what has transpired over the last few years. TBH, although KeSPA gets a ton of flak, they have helped to create and legitimize SC in Korea. Sure, SC would probably still be popular in SK but it wouldn't have the level of acceptance it has now. SC really isn't all that much a part of Korean culture as people really want to think it is. Its just bigger there than anywhere else but hardly a staple. KeSPA could probably just step in and hand out salaries to the top players. It is just the collection of representatives from all the major corporations that are paying SC players right now. I think you really should try to learn a little more about Korean culture and the structure of KeSPA before you post more. o.0
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
September 26 2011 21:46 GMT
#217
On September 27 2011 06:33 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 04:46 pPingu wrote:
So, will this be the first ever korean tournament won by a foreigner?

Someone before Boxer won a Starcraft One tournament back in 2000

oh shit forgot about grrrr....

guillaume was my most favorite player for a long time too
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
September 26 2011 21:46 GMT
#218
On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded.


This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't.

Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved.



Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken.


You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW.

Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL.

But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things.


The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3.


Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income)

Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa?

Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners.

(http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic)

PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues

People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them?
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
September 26 2011 21:49 GMT
#219
this tournament is a failure in itself already.
the spanish representative "deathfate" cheated his way into the tournament, taking a "defwin" against LoLvsxD against the advice of his team and the whole community, just because lola could not play since he had to travel to a LAN at the time the match was supposed to be played, and they even met at the LAN later.
pathetic.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
September 26 2011 21:51 GMT
#220
Well this is pretty messed up...
The tournament's gonna be a joke. No one's gonna attend if it's being held in Korea, without Korean players... especially since SC2 is still relatively small and growing.
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