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On September 27 2011 06:46 wassbix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded. This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't. Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved. Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW. Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL. But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things. The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3. Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income) Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa? Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic) PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them?
Really? I don't see a SINGLE foreigner in a KESPA team. They HATE foreigners. >_>
GOM > KESPA. Open source > Closed source.
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its a pity that this had to happen but i guess the organizers are fine with there being no Korean sc2 representative. It seems no one here knows concretely to what extent KeSPA has control over picking sc2 players and we may never know exactly why they chose this path. it'd be interesting to see what korean players/fan reaction is to this since i think they may have a better understanding of the process
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On September 27 2011 06:53 ShootingStars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:46 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded. This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't. Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved. Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW. Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL. But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things. The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3. Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income) Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa? Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic) PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them? Really? I don't see a SINGLE foreigner in a KESPA team. They HATE foreigners. >_> GOM > KESPA. Open source > Closed source.
I guess not enough skill to participate..
Anyways foreigns had change to participate PL too. Just 100 million Won fee per year like other teams.
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On September 27 2011 06:46 wassbix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded. This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't. Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved. Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW. Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL. But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things. The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3. Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income) Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa? Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic) PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them?
Those organizations dont control the salary, the coaches and managers of each team do. And no, it's because KeSPA and Gom couldn't come to an agreement. And I never said they were treated as slaves. I think Im done posting in this thread because it seems that the people defending KeSPA because its really the only thing keeping BW alive and therefore it shouldn't receive any criticism for its "valiant" efforts. Therefore any thing negative I say about KeSPA was either wrong (because KeSPA told you different) or doesnt matter because "its done more good then bad" Unfortunately keeping BW alive doesn't mean denying SC2, even though it seems that you guys think it's necessary to only have one or the other.
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On September 27 2011 03:32 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
And people say they want a global Kespa..
Not KeSPA specifically, just someone that can regulate teams and their players to eliminate contract bullshit, have standard competitive maps so there isn't 10 different versions, etc.
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Why would a company not let their own citizens compete in a event hosted in their country. This is just KeSPA holding more ture to BW then SC2.
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So would watching this be the equivalent of watching the Special Olympics since there are no Korean players. Don't get me wrong I love watching foreigners, but Koreans simply dominate and Korean Terrans dominate even more.
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On September 27 2011 07:00 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:46 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded. This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't. Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved. Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW. Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL. But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things. The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3. Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income) Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa? Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic) PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them? Those organizations dont control the salary, the coaches and managers of each team do. And no, it's because KeSPA and Gom couldn't come to an agreement. And I never said they were treated as slaves. I think Im done posting in this thread because it seems that the people defending KeSPA because its really the only thing keeping BW alive and therefore it shouldn't receive any criticism for its "valiant" efforts. Therefore any thing negative I say about KeSPA was either wrong (because KeSPA told you different) or doesnt matter because "its done more good then bad" Unfortunately keeping BW alive doesn't mean denying SC2, even though it seems that you guys think it's necessary to only have one or the other.
Teams pulled out gradually in the Gom tournament so you are wrong. It was widely accepted that it was too much workload, Gom was not even practiced for it was a total afterthought. The decision was a correct one. Now the MSL is potentially gone NOW would be the time for another tournament. Not forcing one into an already extremely tough schedule. Anyone who actually followed BW (not you obviously) could tell you that it was inevitable.
KeSPA didn't tell anyone anything really did they? I don't even remember any particular press release from them. It's you who sounds like they have been spoonfed an opinion without any real insight or thought on the situation. You signed up here in 2011 and you are trying to tell us about history and what did or did not happen. But please, keep trying to revise history to fit your pre-existing idea. The only people denying SC2 from expansion in Korea is Blizzard. They are the ones forcing exclusivity deals and arguably getting into an area they have no need to be in. KeSPA if actually allowed would immediately include SC2. Yet you idiots keep posting the same stupid bullshit that they are ignoring it.
Also coaches and managers of the teams can't just pull money out of their sponsors pockets you realize. BW has perfectly fine salaries for it's niche, the best players are obviously paid more. If posting on forums had a salary, i'd be paid obviously a shitload more than you because you are spouting nonsense. You are the B-team poster with no salary for posting such uninformed drivel.
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On September 27 2011 06:53 ShootingStars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:46 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded. This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't. Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved. Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW. Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL. But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things. The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3. Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income) Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa? Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic) PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them? Really? I don't see a SINGLE foreigner in a KESPA team. They HATE foreigners. >_> GOM > KESPA. Open source > Closed source.
You have to actually go through a courage to be given a pro gaming license.
It's not like SC2 where anyone can be on a stream.
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Umm......LOL!
A non Korean is gonna win a Korean tournament!
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On September 27 2011 07:00 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:46 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded. This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't. Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved. Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW. Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL. But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things. The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3. Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income) Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa? Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic) PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them? Those organizations dont control the salary, the coaches and managers of each team do. And no, it's because KeSPA and Gom couldn't come to an agreement. And I never said they were treated as slaves. I think Im done posting in this thread because it seems that the people defending KeSPA because its really the only thing keeping BW alive and therefore it shouldn't receive any criticism for its "valiant" efforts. Therefore any thing negative I say about KeSPA was either wrong (because KeSPA told you different) or doesnt matter because "its done more good then bad" Unfortunately keeping BW alive doesn't mean denying SC2, even though it seems that you guys think it's necessary to only have one or the other.
Coaches and manages of each team control the salaries in BW as well? Only thing Kespa regulated was the Free Agent rules to prevent 1 rich team from monopolizing all the good players... much like salary caps in NFL/NHL/NBA....
Also, people are posting in defence of Kespa mainly because 90% of the people don't even have a fucking clue what Kespa is/does and why E-sports (or any competition at a pro level) requires a professional and organized body.
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More professionalism to the game? Sure!
Global KESPA? NO!
Kespa is ruining esport 
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Wow, I guess KESPA will never change.... sigh
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oh em gee
god damnit KesPA THERE IS A REASON EVERYBODY HATES YOU
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This is why he don't need a KESPA or SC2CON for SC2, bullshit like this is dumb.
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Wait what! I don't even...how does that make any...uh I give up
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On September 27 2011 07:08 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 07:00 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:46 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:30 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 06:21 wassbix wrote:On September 27 2011 06:11 Apollo_Shards wrote:On September 27 2011 05:25 infinity2k9 wrote:On September 27 2011 05:21 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This looks to me like Kespa is making a power play to have SC2 teams recognize it as their governing body since the sc2con was disbanded. This isn't possible for christs sake. KeSPA cannot be involved with SC2. Can it be said any clearer. Blizzard decided the shots here, unlike the other eSports involved. It doesn't matter if the teams all want it, KeSPA wants it or anyone wants it because they can't. Seriously why people don't point the figure at Blizzard i don't know. KeSPA is just an easy thing for people to hate i guess. Blizz hyped up a game as a new eSports, sequel to the biggest eSport ever, in the biggest eSport nation in the world, and deciding to fucking try and cut out the government-supported governing body of eSports. An organization which has bought nothing but MASSIVE free publicity to Blizzard. It's a mind boggling stupid strategy for the sake of what exactly? More control over Gretech and some puny licensing fee's? Why would partial or full developer control over eSports even be a good thing in the first place. It worked very very well before without them getting involved. Are you serious? The only reason its brought "publicity" is because of all the stupid decisions they've made. Its common knowledge the KeSPA has been a huge detriment to almost everything in broodwar. If you think the only thing kespa would impose is "puny licensing fees" and "more control over gretech" you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Kespa is if you think its "common knowledge" that Kespa has been a huge detriment to BW. Hint: The members of Kespa, fund the teamhouses, pay the players, and find sponsors for the PL, OSL, MSL. But we need none of those for SC2 obviously, I'm sure Blizz will be happy to pay for all those things. The salaries were unevenly distributed, (some barely made any), funding teamhouses so they could excert influence on who plays for what team, and they also ignored and ruined other tournaments leagues, such as why you only mentioned 3. Hey guess what, SC2 pros have even more uneven distribution (Gasp! most of them don't even get paid, some of them even have negative income) Do you see people yelling at FIFA/NFL/NHL for uneven distribution of income, especially given pro-sports have 100000x more money floating around? No? Then why should Kespa? Also, did you know GOM BW died, because the teams said the work load between OSL/MSL/PL was too much? Not because Kespa arbitrarily decided that they hate foreigners. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic) PL/OSL/MSL are professional leagues, and players are paid a salary exactly for the purpose of playing in those 3 leagues People bitch about Pro-players being treated as slaves and then want more leagues out of them? Those organizations dont control the salary, the coaches and managers of each team do. And no, it's because KeSPA and Gom couldn't come to an agreement. And I never said they were treated as slaves. I think Im done posting in this thread because it seems that the people defending KeSPA because its really the only thing keeping BW alive and therefore it shouldn't receive any criticism for its "valiant" efforts. Therefore any thing negative I say about KeSPA was either wrong (because KeSPA told you different) or doesnt matter because "its done more good then bad" Unfortunately keeping BW alive doesn't mean denying SC2, even though it seems that you guys think it's necessary to only have one or the other. Teams pulled out gradually in the Gom tournament so you are wrong. It was widely accepted that it was too much workload, Gom was not even practiced for it was a total afterthought. The decision was a correct one. Now the MSL is potentially gone NOW would be the time for another tournament. Not forcing one into an already extremely tough schedule. Anyone who actually followed BW (not you obviously) could tell you that it was inevitable. KeSPA didn't tell anyone anything really did they? I don't even remember any particular press release from them. It's you who sounds like they have been spoonfed an opinion without any real insight or thought on the situation. You signed up here in 2011 and you are trying to tell us about history and what did or did not happen. But please, keep trying to revise history to fit your pre-existing idea. The only people denying SC2 from expansion in Korea is Blizzard. They are the ones forcing exclusivity deals and arguably getting into an area they have no need to be in. KeSPA if actually allowed would immediately include SC2. Yet you idiots keep posting the same stupid bullshit that they are ignoring it. Also coaches and managers of the teams can't just pull money out of their sponsors pockets you realize. BW has perfectly fine salaries for it's niche, the best players are obviously paid more. If posting on forums had a salary, i'd be paid obviously a shitload more than you because you are spouting nonsense. You are the B-team poster with no salary for posting such uninformed drivel.
So now its a requirement to have been signed up on teamliquid before a certain date? KeSPA controlled Broodwar and were extremely influential on what was said. Look what happened to Nada when he moved to SC2. Saying something bad against KeSPA was career suicide as they could just prevent you from playing. I think you are the one who was spoon fed. Also calling me an idiot does not mean you're right, just in case you thought that was actually a valid point.
And that's a terrible analogy btw. Because posting isnt competitive, it's to share ideas. And apparently when someone doesnt agree with yours, its ok to become angry and use personal attacks.
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Grubby vs Happy classical final.
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What happened to NaDa? He's done fine in SC2? Or did i miss the incidents were KeSPA agents stalked his every move and threatened to kill his family. When he was under contract, no of course he could not play SC2 (officially at least). He's under contract with a Brood War team, so yeah they can prevent him from playing. Then once he was out he can do whatever the fuck he likes. Where's the thing where we should 'look what happened'. NaDa had a great salary for many years even after his actual Starleague wins, by all means had a great career. So yeah, excellent example against KeSPA there: a player who did exceedingly well without the system.
And nah i'm angry it's always funny seeing SC2 people fall over themselves to see who can make the most uninformed comments.
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On September 27 2011 07:24 infinity2k9 wrote:
What happened to NaDa? He's done fine in SC2? Or did i miss the incidents were KeSPA agents stalked his every move and threatened to kill his family. When he was under contract, no of course he could not play SC2 (officially at least). He's under contract with a Brood War team, so yeah they can prevent him from playing. Then once he was out he can do whatever the fuck he likes. Where's the thing where we should 'look what happened'. NaDa had a great salary for many years even after his actual Starleague wins, by all means had a great career. So yeah, excellent example against KeSPA there: a player who did exceedingly well without the system.
he originally had all his records erased in the official kepsa logs iirc. they restored them after fans responded with outrage.
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