On September 27 2011 08:22 Sukari wrote: Kind of feels like KeSPA is just BM'ing the SC2 community / progamers because they're still holding tightly onto BW.. -shrug-
They aren't holding tightly onto BW. This is nothing to do with BW and everything to do with KeSPA not wanting to further the interests of GOMTV or any other organisation that is not itself, even if it is a dick move against their own country.
only 1/2 the players on the list are even "knowns"
As people have said, they're mostly known players, albeit I don't think anyone would say that's a stellar lineup.
Maybe to people who watch the several hundred EU small tourneys like craftcups, but for people who watch major tourneys, they are new.
Not really, I only watch major tourneys and I know most names on the list. Some of the ones that people might be less familiar with are Agh: Been around for a while, pops up in MLG every now and then.especially. Softball: Made it into one of the first 3 GSLs, and now is in the NASL Osho: Qualified through BYOC for Dreamhack summer. Ciara: Got Crushed by MC in the RO32 of the TSL3 Happy: Star of this youtube video
There's still about four names that I haven't heard of and that most people haven't heard of but it's not half the field.
Softball never made it to the GSL3 open season. the Three taiwan players went there through blizzard tournament only Sen qualified. Softball was close to qualifying lost in the final round.
Can't really blame kespa, they have nothing to do with SC2 anyways and people would probably shit on them anyways if they tried to choose players. Blame IeSF for letting KeSPA do the choosing - what's up with that, they should know that KeSPA has nothing to do with SC2 and let gom handle it or do it themselves.
Sounds like this is more of Blizzard's fault for giving GOMTV sole control over SC2 in Korea, and so KeSPA isn't obligated in any way to hold any SC2 events. Much like how GOMTV isn't obligated to cast BW tournaments, and don't.
On September 27 2011 08:34 Lorizean wrote: Can't really blame kespa, they have nothing to do with SC2 anyways and people would probably shit on them anyways if they tried to choose players. Blame IeSF for letting KeSPA do the choosing - what's up with that, they should know that KeSPA has nothing to do with SC2 and let gom handle it or do it themselves.
Read Milkis' post in this thread. He says Kespa created IeSF. I'm not sure exactly what their relationship is, but they're clearly working closely together. Which begs the question why choose SC2 in the first place? Hmmmmmm
On September 27 2011 04:30 Datum wrote: Wow, I really don't get the anger coming from this article. From the point of view of the people running the tournament, of course I'd be angry. But from KeSPA's point of view: why spend money on supporting SC2 for the sake of a small tournament that isn't going to attract many viewers anyway?
Go ahead and disagree with KeSPA. That's fine. But the anger coming through in this article is unnecessary and counterproductive.
How much extra money does it take to support the game by offering invites to players locally? Nothing. It's KeSPA blocking SC2 in Korea because it fears Brood War is starting to fade. SC2 is going to be in the tournament regardless, KeSPA is just blocking Korean players from playing in the tournament. It's completely silly, that's where the anger is coming from.
That or it knows SC2 is just a small niche market in Korea and BW is doing just fine, cause it is. Fabulous even.
I guess you haven't read the BW forums lately? Teams are shutting down left and right. Leagues are closing up shop. TV stations will be ending their mainstream coverage soon.
BW is struggling to exist as an E-Sport. It's not thriving.
Teams are shutting down and leaving esports as a whole not only esports ( so its not good for SC2) MSL gone because MBC is pulling out of esports ( again also not good for SC2) Its not like they close the BW stuff and go on a different game...
so yeah its not BW that struggling its the whole Esports in korea.
I don't get how something like this is even possible. How does the meeting where people come to this conclusion look like? Do the people that organize this know that korea means for starcraft? Seriously, why would you do this?
Why is Kespa in charge of SC2.....They are not recognized as they said, should've gone through GOMTV since they are closest thing to Korean organization for SC2. KeSPA should have given authority on this matter to GOM regarding SC2 matters, this is immature and unnecessary
On September 27 2011 08:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Why is Kespa in charge of SC2.....They are not recognized as they said, should've gone through GOMTV since they are closest thing to Korean organization for SC2. KeSPA should have given authority on this matter to GOM regarding SC2 matters, this is immature and unnecessary
Can you not read? Sc2 has nothing to do with kespa so they wont bother to find players for the tournament.. which is held in korea. It is just them being business and not wanting to commit any resources to sc2.
IeSF is more about global/international eSports then it is about Korean eSports. IeSF is partners with KeSPA so KeSPA would be the national organizers for IeSF, hence the reason they are responsible for picking the Korean representatives (all of them, including SC2). Because SC2 is not under the umbrella/jurisdiction of KeSPA, KeSPA has no real control over it. Also, people were gonna shit on KeSPA one way or another.
I think it wasn't feasible for KeSPA to run a qualifiers. For many reasons
a) I feel like they're still on bad terms with GOM. Whether this is just a grudge or not, the working relationship between the two is probably not good, which means that working together trying to run a qualifiers/etc. would probably not work out well.
b) Logistically impossible. Once again, let's look at GOM for a second. The GSL/GSTL schedule runs M-F. Leaving Saturday and Sunday, but now we have WCG Qualifiers going on during the weekend. So when exactly can KeSPA run the qualifiers? If they pick one day, and players can't arrive, people would proceed to shit on KeSPA for not picking a better day. In addition, similar to the OGN-NesTea computer issue, I don't think they have the facilities/computers to effectively run a SC2 qualifier. This isn't BW where they plan/run the schedule so they can tell players to show up on certain days.
c) KeSPA cannot broadcast SC2 in Korea (without GOM's permission), simple as that.
On September 27 2011 01:04 Dante08 wrote: WTF lol. Held in Korea but no Koreans allowed, great for foreigners but sucks for us spectators. And KeSPA being KeSPA
It's not their fault. They'd recognise it if Blizzard and GOMTV would actually let them have some control over the scene.
If stuff like this is the cost for keeping Kespa out of SC2 then it's a cheap price.
On September 27 2011 04:34 Alabasern wrote: Ah I guess this serves Starcraft II it's due justice for being inferior to Brood War in terms I cannot fully express.
And yet you complain about SC2 posters mocking in BW threads, class act.
I believe I said I understand why BW veterans mock the flood of SC2 newcomers onto TL.
Starcraft II how I love thee? More often Brood War does prove more exciting as an observer to me.
On September 27 2011 03:55 Milkis wrote: it's kind of silly but in the end kespa probably just doesn't have the resources to pour into sc2 and get preliminaries rolling, especially since it's a game they're not in charge of.
yes it's silly but i bet it more has to do with the fact that they have enough trouble covering their bases on the events they officially recognize (esp when one of them needs a lot of attention atm ^^;; to have the resources to pour into sc2
the article is pretty sensationalist though since kespa will probably be covering sc2 in the future and they actually had long talks with blizzard about it. but i guess people are so quick to blame shit and sensationalize anything regarding kespa and assume things just because of things they've overheard and gotten sensationalized based on netizen reactions and assume their outdated information still hold
Also kind of funny people ask "Why is kespa in charge of iesf"... iesf is something kespa made to begin with
Couldn't they just outsource that stuff?
They could make it themselves, they could outsource it, they could renege/sell the rights to choose... but sending a Korean SC2 player to IesF would promote SC2 in Korea and be good for the scene.
EPT
to have the resources to pour into sc2
