[GSL] Code S RO32 Day 2 - Page 78

TheHova

United Kingdom2612 Posts

September 21 2011 11:20 GMT

#1541

I didn't even realise that Artosis swore until people started mentioning it and then thought about it for a second. I guess it just means nothing to me.

KobraKay

Portugal4219 Posts

September 21 2011 11:20 GMT

#1542

Ouch...glad MMA advanced but Im kind of sad for Keen and Nada

From the 4, Nestea going down would be the better for me but =/ he showed great defensive focus to shut down early drops and then got the better of the game against MMA.

GGs

Lets see if Huk wins a game or 2.

SecondChance

Australia603 Posts

September 21 2011 11:20 GMT

#1543

On September 21 2011 20:19 risk.nuke wrote:

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Taaaake ooon meee.

I'll beeeee goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

gg wp by MMA. Makes me scared to consider FE'ing in TvT ; /

Pajegetc

United States3158 Posts

September 21 2011 11:21 GMT

#1544

On September 21 2011 20:18 ItsMeDomLee wrote:

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And might beat MMA again. But I doubt it.

I don't know, MMA does seem to have a weakness vs Protoss and Polt.

HeliBadger

538 Posts

September 21 2011 11:21 GMT

#1545

woah there are some badass covers for Take On Me on youtube, but i dont know how to find the GSL one

Hassybaby

United Kingdom10823 Posts

September 21 2011 11:21 GMT

#1546

On September 21 2011 20:19 Rammstorm wrote:

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Yeah with a lucky 4 gate and MMA choke siege tank timing w no siege mode. Prove of skillz idd.

If by lucky, you mean a well disguise 4-gate, delaying it to make MMA think it was a 3-gate expand while it was a well played sentry attack? I agree

BookII

Australia400 Posts

September 21 2011 11:21 GMT

#1547

On September 21 2011 20:20 spoolinoveryou wrote:
Anyone know the artist of the outro? It was the "Take on me" Cover.

It may have been the Reel Big Fish version.

I didn't hear it, but they are kinda punk/ska.

Demonace34

United States2493 Posts

September 21 2011 11:21 GMT

#1548

On September 21 2011 20:20 TheHova wrote:
I didn't even realise that Artosis swore until people started mentioning it and then thought about it for a second. I guess it just means nothing to me.

Yeah it is pretty normal, I could care less but some people just don't hear it on T.V. so when it comes out of their internet T.V. something is magically wrong.

parazice

Thailand5517 Posts

September 21 2011 11:22 GMT

#1549

1st then you'll get MMA
2nd then you'll get Nestea

WTF >.<

Ansinjunger

United States2451 Posts

September 21 2011 11:22 GMT

#1550

I like MMA'a all-in more than the normal 1 base build. For one, I'm biased; two, he doesn't do it very often. But in detail, he made the build appear almost exactly like the previous game, which Nada got to see, except he hid his starport. For all Nada knew, he was going banshees, reactor port, or command center like the previous game, which would have made Nada mirror him exactly. I can't remember if he dropped a scan or saw MMA'a base though >.>

roymarthyup

1442 Posts

September 21 2011 11:22 GMT

#1551

On September 21 2011 20:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:

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On September 21 2011 20:11 roymarthyup wrote:

On September 21 2011 20:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On September 21 2011 20:01 roymarthyup wrote:

On September 21 2011 19:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On September 21 2011 19:52 roymarthyup wrote:

On September 21 2011 19:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:

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NADA WOULD HAVE WON if he split his thors

i wouldnt consider nesteas play "unbeatable". nada would have simply won if he didnt make a mistake

TvZ is very unforgivable make 1 mistake you lose. for zerg the real only "mistake" they can make is attacking into a line of sieged tanks before they have broodlords,

for terran the mistakes they can make is nut unclumping units vs banelings and attacking banelings without sieging ur tanks

no actually he wouldn't have won that game even if he survived that. As long as nestea gets rid of the helions his production is so good that he can pump out a billion lings before the thors actually pose a threat to one of his expansions and he just kills him anyway.

wrong. all those banelings would have killed maybe 5 thors if nada had not clumped them up, and the hellions can run back to be safe and kill lings

nestea would have lost that game if nada had split his thors.

dont expect to counter thors with banelings if the terran is smart and splits his army apart. just warning you zergs out there if you expect to counter thor builds with banelings your going to be depressed when you meet a good terran

So he's gonna have to micro his thors INCREDIBLY well ALL the way across the map? Nestea did a flank, no helion was ever going to survive that. Did you see the creep spread? Nestea had so much room to work with it was ridiculous and Nada still had an ocean to go across to actually do anything to nestea. You can't instant split like marine tank.

the creep spread is meaningless. thors will be spread pre-fight. hellions outrun banelings on creep

its not hard to micro thors. split them apart in a checkerboard formation, a-move them, then press hold position if you want to stop in a location (instead of having all thors bunching up together), and continue. if the enemy engages your thors you attackmove then if you see banelings coming make the back thors move back slightly and you will have a very nice thor-spread

it is NOT have to spread thors vs banelings as you attack-move across the map. its very easy micro to be honest. . very easy micro

the proper thor splitting that would have allowed nada to win that game is very easy micro. i dont know why he didnt do it, probably was stressed and concentrating elsewhere on the map but seriously the micro is so easy it only takes a little bit attention to make it happen

Wtf? Do you even understand how big belshir beach is? That type of micro takes a ton of APM with that many thors trying to get across that map and because you have to wait for the thors to reposition spread out that just means it takes that much longer. If nestea wanted to he could do devastating counterattacks, and tech up to broodlords.

He had like over 10 thors, and EVEN if like 7 of them survived it DOESN'T matter as long as he kills off a good number of the helions because the ling reinforcements will destroy the thors easily.

that type of micro is VERY easy and takes MINIMAL amount of APM

all you do is spread the thors a bit, then A-MOVE to a location far across the map. then scan for banelings and start macroing then press "s" for your thor group which stops them and KEEPS THEM SPLIT

now your thors are STILL SPLIT and you can a-move them again across the map and they STAY IN FORMATION then you can macro more and press S when you want to stop

then, when your enemy engages you, your thors are ALREADY SPLIT so you attack-move and select a couple thors in the back and move them back slightly and that will give you a great thor spread

it is EASY to micro thors and split them across the entire map

im not saying nada is bad, he had his reasons he didnt perform that micro, however

im just letting zergs out there know, nestea would have lost that game if nada didnt make that mistake. i saw no mistakes made by nestea, but a huge engagement mistake by nada

long story short dont expect to counter thors with banelings if you are fighting a terran thats as good as you

Dude, in the end it just DOESN'T MATTER. Nestea probably didn't even come out cost efficiently even though the thors were clumped because he had a billion times better economy and production. The game isn't just about army vs. army and 1 engagement. Nestea would have lost that engagement if nada positioned better, but he wouldn't have lost that game. Seriously, every thor could have survived but as long as 10 helions aren't hanging around there's nothing to protect the thors from mass speedling.

in the end it does matter because nestea would have lost that game if nada didnt make the mistake

zerg normally has more macro. terran must win battles very cost efficiently to win the game, and terran normally has the ability to do it

nestea probably WASNT efficient in his army trade, but he was efficient ENOUGH to let him win

if nada didnt make the mistake, he would have won the battle with much less losses and he would have been able to kill nestea right there definitely

nestea would have lost the GAME if nada split his thors properly, not just the engagement. nada was maxed with hellion/thor and nestea didnt have NP or broodlords anytime soon

if nada didnt make the mistake he could have won the battle and killed nesteas entire army and lost only a fraction of his and coulda pushed and won right there with reinforcing thors

Fionn

United States23455 Posts

September 21 2011 11:23 GMT

#1552

Huk should make it out of the group seeing as Virus is one of the few terrans to be pretty bad at vP, isn't probably in the top fifteen terrans currently in Code S, and arguably the other best player in the group, Zenio, struggles versus toss as well.

The shitstorm if he gets 0-2'ed would be pretty huge.

Hassybaby

United Kingdom10823 Posts

September 21 2011 11:23 GMT

#1553

THE GSL INVASION IS COMING

althaz

Australia1001 Posts

September 21 2011 11:23 GMT

#1554

On September 21 2011 20:17 Cyro wrote:

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LOL, immortals are 250/100, marauders are 100/25. Immortals are barely cost effective vs pure marauder medivac, hence soft counter.

Correction, Immortals are NOT cost effective vs Pure Marauder (with no upgrades/stim/etc) and less so vs marauder-medivac (I think, haven't tested this recently). However Immortals are pretty good in a composition vs marauders so they are a soft counter.

Orcasgt24

Canada3238 Posts

September 21 2011 11:23 GMT

#1555

On September 21 2011 20:22 parazice wrote:
1st then you'll get MMA
2nd then you'll get Nestea

WTF >.<

Thats how the groups line up in the bracket.
A1st plays B2nd
A2nd plays B1st and so on

HuK is gonna get 1/1/1ed, probably twice.

spoolinoveryou

United States503 Posts

September 21 2011 11:23 GMT

#1556

On September 21 2011 20:21 BookII wrote:

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It may have been the Reel Big Fish version.

I didn't hear it, but they are kinda punk/ska.

Yeah I checked youtube. I know the original but I'm trying to find the cover one they just played. All the YouTube videos are like a hardcore version.. The one they played was somewhat Poppy and Technoish..