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Zenio's up 60 supply. T__T
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How many times did Artosis say handsome?
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I feel like Huk's slowly getting behind
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On September 21 2011 21:39 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:33 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:25 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:23 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:
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Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B:
1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran. And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage. If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game. :/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc. Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed. But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem. I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player. Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say). The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see. But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining. BS. If Bulldog was as good as 1-1-1 is now pro BW toss players would have used it a lot more. And the last part is easy to say as a terran. Even pro terrans like Polt and MVP can admit there is something wrong, but go ahead and keep advocating for your race. It's pretty obvious how biased you are. They admit the combination is wrong and I agree, but its not solved by nerfing the individual units. MVP also said he wouldn't use it, because its overpowered and... wait. What did he do to HuK? A variation of it, IN EVERY GAME. And I don't know what level you are on in Broodwar, but Bulldog was definately a good build if executed well (aka do not let your opponent scout everything-_-) We're talking about pro level not ladder level. Bulldog does not get used at pro level because it's not difficult for them to stop it even though ladder players may struggle with it. 1-1-1 does get used at pro level and pros lose to it 90% of the time. Can you really not see the difference? None of us would care if only ladder players were losing to 1-1-1s but that's not the case as you well know. And as someone else pointed out you were a huge terran qqer before so basically you're being a huge hypocrite saying that toss should never complain about balance. NarutO is a pretty good PRO player. Grubby invited him because grubby recognized his talents. What about you? Why is it that you guys are nitpicking on someone's bad points from months ago? He could be a very bad Terran qqer a few months ago, but he is now a pro player himself. It shows that he improved and do not want to look back at his shortcomings anymore. Huk was a bmer last time. Why not hate on him? You're the hypocrite here. Your words seemed like it was spouted from an ignorant child 15-17 years old. Grow up and learn to see a wider perspective. Protoss players need to grow out of their old styles or else they (we) will fail.
I'm not gonna get into the bulldog discussion, I dont know anything about BW PvT, but I'm just gonna say that Naruto being a pro (he isnt a pro any more than he was a few months ago. Except I guess that hes in GM league now) most definitely doesnt mean he cant be wrong about something. Pro players considerably better than him argue and contradict each other all the freakin time. Show me 10 progamers and Ill show you 10 different opinions, or however that saying was worded :p
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On September 21 2011 21:41 Logros wrote:
HuKs build looks pretty sick.
Might be "sick" but Huk is 80 supply down.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
ok I came in late,whats so interesting about Huk's build?
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huk doing a build noone has ever done on gsl leads tasteless to saying huk i doing very standard solid stuff
i wish commentators would stop saying useless stuff and just not say anything for a few moments once in a while
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The Stalkers were loan sharks
The overlord didn't have the money
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On September 21 2011 21:41 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:40 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:39 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:38 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:37 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:35 Demonace34 wrote:2:10 Pool first from Zenio, Huk goes for nexus first. No gas from Zenio. 3:30 Forge and cannon come down for Huk. Zenio expansion finishes up. Huk adds on 2 gas and a gate. 5:00 Zenio takes quick 3rd base and droning hard. Huk chronoing wg research, not taking his expansion gases. 7:00 Huk throws down 5 more gates and a twilight council and two more gasses. Roach warren and +1 carapace coming up for Zenio. 9:00 Huk getting dark shrine +1 weapons and blink while getting up his 3rd base. Lair and ling speed coming up from Zenio. 10:45 Huk getting cannons at his 3rd, sending out a dt to deny the 4th of Zenio. Zenio getting spire, drops and overlord speed.
12:00 Roach speed and +2 carapace finishing for Zenio. Also melee +1. Huk getting robo bay up and +2 attack. Roach drop coming into the main of Huk.
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On September 21 2011 21:42 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:39 HaruRH wrote:On September 21 2011 21:33 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:25 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:23 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:
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How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran.
And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage.
If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game.
:/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc. Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed. But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem. I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player. Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say). The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see. But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining. BS. If Bulldog was as good as 1-1-1 is now pro BW toss players would have used it a lot more. And the last part is easy to say as a terran. Even pro terrans like Polt and MVP can admit there is something wrong, but go ahead and keep advocating for your race. It's pretty obvious how biased you are. They admit the combination is wrong and I agree, but its not solved by nerfing the individual units. MVP also said he wouldn't use it, because its overpowered and... wait. What did he do to HuK? A variation of it, IN EVERY GAME. And I don't know what level you are on in Broodwar, but Bulldog was definately a good build if executed well (aka do not let your opponent scout everything-_-) We're talking about pro level not ladder level. Bulldog does not get used at pro level because it's not difficult for them to stop it even though ladder players may struggle with it. 1-1-1 does get used at pro level and pros lose to it 90% of the time. Can you really not see the difference? None of us would care if only ladder players were losing to 1-1-1s but that's not the case as you well know. And as someone else pointed out you were a huge terran qqer before so basically you're being a huge hypocrite saying that toss should never complain about balance. NarutO is a pretty good PRO player. Grubby invited him because grubby recognized his talents. What about you? Why is it that you guys are nitpicking on someone's bad points from months ago? He could be a very bad Terran qqer a few months ago, but he is now a pro player himself. It shows that he improved and do not want to look back at his shortcomings anymore. Huk was a bmer last time. Why not hate on him? You're the hypocrite here. Your words seemed like it was spouted from an ignorant child 15-17 years old. Grow up and learn to see a wider perspective. Protoss players need to grow out of their old styles or else they (we) will fail. I'm not gonna get into the bulldog discussion, I dont know anything about BW PvT, but I'm just gonna say that Naruto being a pro (he isnt a pro any more than he was a few months ago. Except I guess that hes in GM league now) most definitely doesnt mean he cant be wrong about something. Pro players considerably better than him argue and contradict each other all the freakin time.
I always was in the highest ladder. In the past and now I'm GM and I agree. That doesn't mean I am always right about the things I say. I respect other peoples opinion so.. to everyone its own.
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On September 21 2011 21:43 RooStaR wrote:Might be "sick" but Huk is 80 supply down.
does not matter....if zenio can't use that advantage that well.
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perfect protoss play once again, zerg should be way behind, let see if huk loses
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Good defence from HuK but Zenio is still way up in supply and bases.
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United Kingdom2950 Posts
Zenio is playing so wellllll
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hmmm why blink into lings oO
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