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0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
September 07 2011 14:43 GMT
#3221
On September 07 2011 23:38 ma70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:37 0ne wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:30 absalom86 wrote:
This is a bad time to be a protoss in Korea :þ. Seems they've been completely figured out. Both Alicia and MC dropping down, the two Protoss powerhouses.

The new protoss hopes are Hero, Sage, JYP and Puzzle. Forget about MC.


You never know...MC can make a comeback. MVP did.

MVP went down to code A because he was having a lot of trouble in TvP and he had to play Genius and Alicia in the up and down but MC looks like he can't win any games.
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
September 07 2011 14:45 GMT
#3222
mc went mass zealots 3 colosus 1 archon 1 immortal vs zerg...............................
ma70
Profile Joined October 2010
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 14:46:18
September 07 2011 14:45 GMT
#3223
On September 07 2011 23:43 0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:38 ma70 wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:37 0ne wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:30 absalom86 wrote:
This is a bad time to be a protoss in Korea :þ. Seems they've been completely figured out. Both Alicia and MC dropping down, the two Protoss powerhouses.

The new protoss hopes are Hero, Sage, JYP and Puzzle. Forget about MC.


You never know...MC can make a comeback. MVP did.

MVP went down to code A because he was having a lot of trouble in TvP and he had to play Genius and Alicia in the up and down but MC looks like he can't win any games.


MC went to Up and Down because of his overconfidence and foolishness.....he picked MVP instead of anyone else who would have been easy.

Also, maybe theres another thing that is effecting him. I remember he said himself that he felt behind due to constant traveling. He probably just needs to practice more.
nicknt
Profile Joined October 2010
185 Posts
September 07 2011 14:45 GMT
#3224
just scrap the whole code S/code A system. With the new format I'm tired of seeing the same ppl over and over again with about 5 new faces in code S season. Change the format to a single 64 man tournament, players who make it to round 32 retains spots, losers have to go thru qualifiers next time. This would make things so much more exciting and we would get to see so many more new faces and upsets.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 07 2011 14:46 GMT
#3225
Nice, knew Jjakji had it in him, way to go!

MC was always in trouble with so many zergs + Jjajki. Seems a lifetime ago where he was unbeatable against zerg.



BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
September 07 2011 14:47 GMT
#3226
I was so sure Check would make it! T_T

I thought Jjakji was not quite ready. He apparently is. Best of luck to him!

MC I think is a player who runs on confidence. If he gets past Code A Ro32, consecutive victories may slingshot him back to near the top of Code S!!
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
September 07 2011 14:48 GMT
#3227
On September 07 2011 23:45 nicknt wrote:
just scrap the whole code S/code A system. With the new format I'm tired of seeing the same ppl over and over again with about 5 new faces in code S season. Change the format to a single 64 man tournament, players who make it to round 32 retains spots, losers have to go thru qualifiers next time. This would make things so much more exciting and we would get to see so many more new faces and upsets.

When I first read this post I was ready to argue against it but now that I think about it I think you have a good point. The best players should theoretically make at least the RO32 every time and Code A is just such a difficult and unforgiving place to be
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
September 07 2011 14:49 GMT
#3228
On September 07 2011 23:36 KanoCoke wrote:
Wow, Byun, Code S July semi-finalist, MC, 2 time GSL winner, welcome to the most stacked Code A tournament so far.

Notably strong players:
- Sage
- Revival
- sC
- Tassadar
- Naniwa
- Sjow
- Curious

The point being that any one of these guys can win the tournament.


Naniwa and Sjow? Really? I'll be surprised if they make it past round 1.
La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
September 07 2011 14:51 GMT
#3229
On September 07 2011 23:46 AxionSteel wrote:
Nice, knew Jjakji had it in him, way to go!

MC was always in trouble with so many zergs + Jjajki. Seems a lifetime ago where he was unbeatable against zerg.






thats when zerg didnt make a macro hatch, or a quick 3rd, the invetion of a super fast 3rd /macro hatch basically crushes any 2 base timing if the zerg gets wind of an all in, for a while ( when mc was un touchable) zerg had no answer to this 2 base timing.. now protoss need somthing new
4gate doesnt work
6 gate rarely works..
3 base 12 gate timing? :D
pff
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
September 07 2011 14:56 GMT
#3230
On September 07 2011 23:45 nicknt wrote:
just scrap the whole code S/code A system. With the new format I'm tired of seeing the same ppl over and over again with about 5 new faces in code S season. Change the format to a single 64 man tournament, players who make it to round 32 retains spots, losers have to go thru qualifiers next time. This would make things so much more exciting and we would get to see so many more new faces and upsets.

Maybe that's because the people in Code S are just the best people playing the game? As it is you get to see what new player are up and comming in Code A, instead of them having to play Nestea in the first round of a 64 man bracket.
Andreas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway214 Posts
September 07 2011 14:58 GMT
#3231
I'm happy with the people who advanced today. Losira and Jjakji really are the best players of that group IMO, and while it's sad to see MC go that's just what you get for losing games I guess. I really hope he gets back into shape, he's a lot of fun to watch but only when he wins

Gogo JYP and TaeJa tomorrow!
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 07 2011 15:00 GMT
#3232
On September 07 2011 23:11 Mano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:06 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:04 radiantshadow92 wrote:
I like the format. Hard to get in, easy to get out. We are talking about the top 64 players in the world here. And it keeps the Code S and Code A varied every season.


The new format makes it easier to stay in and harder to get in, because the third place finisher in the group retains his status, while only the fourth place drops. I liked the old format because there was more rotation, which kept things interesting.

In the old format 1 code S player always stayed in code s from each up and down group though, because it was always 2 code S 1 code and and 2 spots. So the amount of rotation should be the same at the very least.


Hmm, never thought of it that way. I guess the old one had 24 players jockeying for 16 spots, whereas the new one has 15 players for 6 spots, so it's pretty similar. The matches were bo3 in the old format I think, which was nice.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
nicknt
Profile Joined October 2010
185 Posts
September 07 2011 15:00 GMT
#3233
On September 07 2011 23:48 GhostKorean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:45 nicknt wrote:
just scrap the whole code S/code A system. With the new format I'm tired of seeing the same ppl over and over again with about 5 new faces in code S season. Change the format to a single 64 man tournament, players who make it to round 32 retains spots, losers have to go thru qualifiers next time. This would make things so much more exciting and we would get to see so many more new faces and upsets.

When I first read this post I was ready to argue against it but now that I think about it I think you have a good point. The best players should theoretically make at least the RO32 every time and Code A is just such a difficult and unforgiving place to be


It's pretty depressing if you're a pro gamer in Korea and you aren't already in Code S. Train for a month to compete for one of 12 spots for code A. Then hope to get nice matchups to get to round 8, then hope to get an easy group to get into code S. This is much harder than the old up/down format. Fail and that's another month wasted as GOMTV is the only game in town. All this while bad players like ensnare keep on getting by. There's no excitement in Code S anymore, it's the same people fighting the same people every time. This also discourages new potential blood from even trying to pick up the game professionally as it's so hard to get into code S.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
September 07 2011 15:02 GMT
#3234
On September 07 2011 23:49 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:36 KanoCoke wrote:
Wow, Byun, Code S July semi-finalist, MC, 2 time GSL winner, welcome to the most stacked Code A tournament so far.

Notably strong players:
- Sage
- Revival
- sC
- Tassadar
- Naniwa
- Sjow
- Curious

The point being that any one of these guys can win the tournament.


Naniwa and Sjow? Really? I'll be surprised if they make it past round 1.

You probably haven't seen Sjow's performances in MLG Raleigh. When he wins, he looks unstoppable. When he loses, it's either because of a single mistake or because of his macro failing him. Let's just say that he has really great unit control.

Naniwa, well, he's had quite a shaky run in GSTL and Code A last season, but that's simply because he himself said that he's in a rebuilding phase. When he does finish that phase, he should be in tip-top shape. Even in bad shape, he outsmarted and demolished Genius though.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
September 07 2011 15:02 GMT
#3235
Damn GSL october is gonna be painful to watch. So many protoss failing. I am sad.
@ggmonx
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
September 07 2011 15:02 GMT
#3236
On September 07 2011 23:49 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:36 KanoCoke wrote:
Wow, Byun, Code S July semi-finalist, MC, 2 time GSL winner, welcome to the most stacked Code A tournament so far.

Notably strong players:
- Sage
- Revival
- sC
- Tassadar
- Naniwa
- Sjow
- Curious

The point being that any one of these guys can win the tournament.


Naniwa and Sjow? Really? I'll be surprised if they make it past round 1.


With some luck Naniwa could PvP his way into the finals. Sjow on the other hand will get roflstomped in round 1. He might be a good player, but it's a safe bet to say that Koreans are simply better.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 15:03:37
September 07 2011 15:03 GMT
#3237
On September 06 2011 23:16 Bobster wrote:
Easiest group to predict - Losira and MC easily.

welp that didn't go so well, I really underestimated jjakji and was surprised to see MC struggling so badly.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
September 07 2011 15:03 GMT
#3238
On September 07 2011 23:45 alan25 wrote:
mc went mass zealots 3 colosus 1 archon 1 immortal vs zerg...............................

You dont believe that there was a reason for the composition? Like that he would have just straight up died to mass infestors like every other toss then?
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
September 07 2011 15:04 GMT
#3239
On September 08 2011 00:00 nicknt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:48 GhostKorean wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:45 nicknt wrote:
just scrap the whole code S/code A system. With the new format I'm tired of seeing the same ppl over and over again with about 5 new faces in code S season. Change the format to a single 64 man tournament, players who make it to round 32 retains spots, losers have to go thru qualifiers next time. This would make things so much more exciting and we would get to see so many more new faces and upsets.

When I first read this post I was ready to argue against it but now that I think about it I think you have a good point. The best players should theoretically make at least the RO32 every time and Code A is just such a difficult and unforgiving place to be


It's pretty depressing if you're a pro gamer in Korea and you aren't already in Code S. Train for a month to compete for one of 12 spots for code A. Then hope to get nice matchups to get to round 8, then hope to get an easy group to get into code S. This is much harder than the old up/down format. Fail and that's another month wasted as GOMTV is the only game in town. All this while bad players like ensnare keep on getting by. There's no excitement in Code S anymore, it's the same people fighting the same people every time. This also discourages new potential blood from even trying to pick up the game professionally as it's so hard to get into code S.


I hate how people always rag on guys like Ensnare. He's not as good as MVP, but he's earned his placements every time. Is he weaker than the top Code A guys? Yes. I bet he would beat a good chunk of players who are in Code A right now.

Players get better and worse, you can't complain because Ensnare is playing better than MC right now.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
September 07 2011 15:05 GMT
#3240
On September 08 2011 00:02 KanoCoke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:49 sitromit wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:36 KanoCoke wrote:
Wow, Byun, Code S July semi-finalist, MC, 2 time GSL winner, welcome to the most stacked Code A tournament so far.

Notably strong players:
- Sage
- Revival
- sC
- Tassadar
- Naniwa
- Sjow
- Curious

The point being that any one of these guys can win the tournament.


Naniwa and Sjow? Really? I'll be surprised if they make it past round 1.

You probably haven't seen Sjow's performances in MLG Raleigh. When he wins, he looks unstoppable. When he loses, it's either because of a single mistake or because of his macro failing him. Let's just say that he has really great unit control.

Naniwa, well, he's had quite a shaky run in GSTL and Code A last season, but that's simply because he himself said that he's in a rebuilding phase. When he does finish that phase, he should be in tip-top shape. Even in bad shape, he outsmarted and demolished Genius though.


I like SjoW and Naniwa, but let's be realistic... there's no way they're getting Top 8. Depending on their bracket.... MAYBE a RO32 victory, but that is even tough...
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