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l3ird
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States368 Posts
September 07 2011 14:02 GMT
#3181
btw check out the all star matches... Huk vs Nestea! =S sounds like a roll-over
Raygun
Profile Joined August 2010
348 Posts
September 07 2011 14:02 GMT
#3182
18 Terran, 7 Zerg, 5 Protoss in Code S now.
Mano
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States192 Posts
September 07 2011 14:03 GMT
#3183
On September 07 2011 23:00 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:00 Mano wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:59 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:57 Phyxx wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:54 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:50 Azzur wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:48 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /


Lol wat, Jjaki probably performed worse overall TvZ today. Check played well today, just a terrible format.

What was wrong with the format? The players went 3-1 because they deserved to. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's so hard to get into code S, but so easy to drop into code A and the only reason the format is the way it is now is just to accommodate foreigners. Bo1 is very unforgiving, too. Sure, the players who performed better won, but that doesn't mean that I can't criticize the format for what I perceive are flaws.

This format is much better imo, it should be hard to get into code S, and with this format I don't see any scrubs make it in.


But more scrubs stayed in also.

which scrubs would that be?


Like kyrix and MC.

Doesn't that prove that the new format works. Given that after 2 seasons of the new up and down format, there's only 1 scrub left in code S? (ensare)
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Jaedong4thOSL
Profile Joined August 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 14:05:17
September 07 2011 14:04 GMT
#3184
On September 07 2011 23:02 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 22:59 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:57 Phyxx wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:54 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:50 Azzur wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:48 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /


Lol wat, Jjaki probably performed worse overall TvZ today. Check played well today, just a terrible format.

What was wrong with the format? The players went 3-1 because they deserved to. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's so hard to get into code S, but so easy to drop into code A and the only reason the format is the way it is now is just to accommodate foreigners. Bo1 is very unforgiving, too. Sure, the players who performed better won, but that doesn't mean that I can't criticize the format for what I perceive are flaws.

This format is much better imo, it should be hard to get into code S, and with this format I don't see any scrubs make it in.


But more scrubs stayed in also.


Well what would you change bring in Group 3rd's again ? The Up/Down would be HUGE.


Code A and Code S is stupid to begin with. They should just give higher seeds to semifinalist and quarterfinalist in last tournament. Everyone should have a chance to win the whole thing in every tournament, just starting from different levels of bracket.
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
September 07 2011 14:04 GMT
#3185
I like the format. Hard to get in, easy to get out. We are talking about the top 64 players in the world here. And it keeps the Code S and Code A varied every season.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
September 07 2011 14:04 GMT
#3186
On September 07 2011 23:01 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 22:57 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:53 oogieogie wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:51 Sated wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:50 Demonace34 wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:48 Ferehx wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Check doesn't make Code S because his ZvZ is just not as good as Losiras



or just because ZvT is not a balanced matchup.


WOAH WOAH, does Nyovne have to slap someone down after that many good games?

ZvT is ~50% win-rate for this GSL season.

inbe4 protoss


Crying aside i think the big loser of all this massive terran domination everywhere is actually GOM. They do such a great job with GSL but they have the toughest luck ever. All their finals is usually one sided and each season they are more likely to be showing TvT matches than any other and i have to think that shake a bit their viewership. =(


Very true. The poor TL-mods who probably secretly wish for an all-out balanced game the most, so they can stop mass-banning people aside....I agree that the officials at GOM will definitely also get annoyed by the overrepresentation of one race, that makes for a worse viewer-experience. I mean, even many terran players around here would agree that watching only TvT can get really exhausting.
I'm P and watching too many PvPs in a row drives me crazy.

This game could be chess but TL LR threads would still winge about imbalance because the white pieces are too shiny
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
September 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#3187
On September 07 2011 23:01 Montana[TK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 22:58 Heimatloser wrote:
while supernova and leenock advanced with a 100% winrate yesterday, today winners advanced with only a 71 % winrate.

it seems unfair that check didnt make it, because runner up yesterday had a 33% winrate and check today had a 50% winrate at the end, but well, obviously you need to win more than half of your games to advance into code s


I agree. Mvp was also in Code A and he beat MC so MC should go straight to Code B cuz he's worse.

how does that answer match my initial post?
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
September 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#3188
On September 07 2011 23:03 Mano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:00 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:00 Mano wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:59 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:57 Phyxx wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:54 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:50 Azzur wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:48 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /


Lol wat, Jjaki probably performed worse overall TvZ today. Check played well today, just a terrible format.

What was wrong with the format? The players went 3-1 because they deserved to. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's so hard to get into code S, but so easy to drop into code A and the only reason the format is the way it is now is just to accommodate foreigners. Bo1 is very unforgiving, too. Sure, the players who performed better won, but that doesn't mean that I can't criticize the format for what I perceive are flaws.

This format is much better imo, it should be hard to get into code S, and with this format I don't see any scrubs make it in.


But more scrubs stayed in also.

which scrubs would that be?


Like kyrix and MC.

Doesn't that prove that the new format works. Given that after 2 seasons of the new up and down format, there's only 1 scrub left in code S? (ensare)


It is, the new format works. Now where are my liquibets!
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Xtreme94
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia282 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 14:05:57
September 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#3189
Check must really frustrated! Coming up 3-1 and
then ...
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 14:06:32
September 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#3190
If it's harder to get in, it's easier to stay in.

Either you get persistent scrubs, or you get a constant influx+outflow of scrubs. You can't have neither.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#3191
Looking at the bright side, next season's code A will have 10 Protoss, 11 Zergs and 8 Terrans + 3 players from tomorrow's matches, which will mean at most 10 Terrans (if both MKP and Taeja end up in code A). Racial distribution in code A seems pretty balanced for next season
Romanes eunt domus
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 07 2011 14:06 GMT
#3192
On September 07 2011 23:04 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:02 s3rp wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:59 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:57 Phyxx wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:54 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:50 Azzur wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:48 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /


Lol wat, Jjaki probably performed worse overall TvZ today. Check played well today, just a terrible format.

What was wrong with the format? The players went 3-1 because they deserved to. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's so hard to get into code S, but so easy to drop into code A and the only reason the format is the way it is now is just to accommodate foreigners. Bo1 is very unforgiving, too. Sure, the players who performed better won, but that doesn't mean that I can't criticize the format for what I perceive are flaws.

This format is much better imo, it should be hard to get into code S, and with this format I don't see any scrubs make it in.


But more scrubs stayed in also.


Well what would you change bring in Group 3rd's again ? The Up/Down would be HUGE.


Code A and Code S is stupid to begin with. They should just give higher seeds to semifinalist and quarterfinalist in last tournament. Everyone should have a chance to win the whole thing in every tournament, just starting from different levels of bracket.


Well then it would be a Tournament System not a League they want a League System though with Playoffs.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 07 2011 14:06 GMT
#3193
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /

True to an extent, but he played TvZ vs jjakji, who has one of the best TvZ (imo) after MVP and MMA. I dunno't know any better TvZ than him, sC and MKP were at this level some times ago but not anymore.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 07 2011 14:06 GMT
#3194
On September 07 2011 23:04 radiantshadow92 wrote:
I like the format. Hard to get in, easy to get out. We are talking about the top 64 players in the world here. And it keeps the Code S and Code A varied every season.


The new format makes it easier to stay in and harder to get in, because the third place finisher in the group retains his status, while only the fourth place drops. I liked the old format because there was more rotation, which kept things interesting.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 14:08:08
September 07 2011 14:06 GMT
#3195
On September 07 2011 22:55 Azzur wrote:
But one thing about the up-and-down format that I don't like though... your qualification fate is possibly dependent on someone else. In the old format, your fate was entirely in your own hands. This is one reason is don't like round-robins.


It's the best format so far . No more luck of the draw screwing great players like Leenock ending up playing a player like MVP while in the other corner b-teamers like Kyrix and Ensnare face up each other and one of them ends up in code s . Like i said this format separates the weak from the strong .
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
September 07 2011 14:07 GMT
#3196
On September 07 2011 23:06 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /

True to an extent, but he played TvZ vs jjakji, who has one of the best TvZ (imo) after MVP and MMA. I dunno't know any better TvZ than him, sC and MKP were at this level some times ago but not anymore.


I agree, Jjakji's TvZ is really good.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 07 2011 14:08 GMT
#3197
On September 07 2011 23:02 Raygun wrote:
18 Terran, 7 Zerg, 5 Protoss in Code S now.


This is slightly farcical at this point.

Glad to see Terrans doing well though.
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Jaedong4thOSL
Profile Joined August 2011
United States487 Posts
September 07 2011 14:08 GMT
#3198
On September 07 2011 23:06 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 23:04 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 07 2011 23:02 s3rp wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:59 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:57 Phyxx wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:54 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:50 Azzur wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:48 KimJongChill wrote:
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /


Lol wat, Jjaki probably performed worse overall TvZ today. Check played well today, just a terrible format.

What was wrong with the format? The players went 3-1 because they deserved to. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's so hard to get into code S, but so easy to drop into code A and the only reason the format is the way it is now is just to accommodate foreigners. Bo1 is very unforgiving, too. Sure, the players who performed better won, but that doesn't mean that I can't criticize the format for what I perceive are flaws.

This format is much better imo, it should be hard to get into code S, and with this format I don't see any scrubs make it in.


But more scrubs stayed in also.


Well what would you change bring in Group 3rd's again ? The Up/Down would be HUGE.


Code A and Code S is stupid to begin with. They should just give higher seeds to semifinalist and quarterfinalist in last tournament. Everyone should have a chance to win the whole thing in every tournament, just starting from different levels of bracket.


Well then it would be a Tournament System not a League they want a League System though with Playoffs.


How is current code S a league, but not a tournament? Not every players get to play each other. And bracket makes it a tournament system.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
September 07 2011 14:10 GMT
#3199
Lots of Protoss in Code A next season.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 14:12:06
September 07 2011 14:11 GMT
#3200
On September 07 2011 23:06 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 22:47 vl3tbol wrote:
check zvt not that great, will get owned in code s anyway : /

True to an extent, but he played TvZ vs jjakji, who has one of the best TvZ (imo) after MVP and MMA. I dunno't know any better TvZ than him, sC and MKP were at this level some times ago but not anymore.


I think GanZI and PuMa have a better TvZ as well. Jjakji's control is very good, amongst the best but he lacks in multi-tasking and doesn't read the game as well as some others do. With more practice against top-of-the-line Zergs he'll become mightily scary though.
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