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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:
1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance
Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#) |
On August 28 2011 11:20 humbre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way  (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore ....  what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess. He said that on his twitter, not in an interview. You're wrong. he also said terran is weakest race
Like 6 months ago...lol
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On August 28 2011 11:20 Ghostfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:14 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase. He has a moronic fanbase if they DONT want him to use the best builds possible. How do you make more fans when you use the same debate-ably OP every TvP? I know that hasn't been his best match-up but hell, that's like saying do you want to just all-in your way to the top? If Mvp abused that build, I would honestly stop watching him so much.
You'd be a fan of watching someone not trying as hard to win I guess.
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On August 28 2011 11:16 Mczeppo wrote:
doesnt the rules say no imbalance whining?
the last 20 pages are basically about 111 being "totally" imba and Puma being the worst man on earth.
The funny thing is that most people crying here are probably diamonds, lolz
What league is MVP in?
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On August 28 2011 11:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Plz inform MC/Alicia etc. Actually no, you're just wrong. You stall that long and you'll be dealing with a gigantic marine ball with no aoe. That's impossible to do. ok then every terran should 1-1-1 and have a 100% winrate in tvp then if theres no way of defending it.. LOL wtf are u trying to get at?
Not going to doubt you. I respect the opinions of every progamer even if it is against my own reservations.
Are there any replays/vods of what you described?
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Day9 opened the income tab breifly right before the kiwi/ puma engage. Puma had roughly 400 minerals per minute income and kiwi was up at the standard 800 for 1 base. No reason not to delay longer, i don't care how good marine dps is if you have that big of an income lead for long enough your army will get incrementally bigger than his.
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On August 28 2011 11:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Plz inform MC/Alicia etc. Actually no, you're just wrong. You stall that long and you'll be dealing with a gigantic marine ball with no aoe. That's impossible to do. ok then every terran should 1-1-1 and have a 100% winrate in tvp if theres no way of defending it.. LOL wtf are u trying to get at?
well... the thing is that kind of happens already on maps thats arn't gigantic...
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On August 28 2011 11:19 Netsky wrote:They said that there would be one more match, just not what that match would be.
Think it'd might be a pool LR #6? I don't remember if they play those games on Saturday or not, but every other round is in progress it seems (Drewbie/Hwang, Tyler/Osto, Orly/Pain) except for DeMu/KR though I'm not sure they want to show the same people on main stage again.
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On August 28 2011 11:11 Eschaton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:07 cArn- wrote:
big mistake to cancel the nexus tbh, if you don't have a nexus there is no reason for terran to force the issue and try to attack you, with nexus pressure is on terran and has to make something happen quick before the nexus kicks in, and having ure army in the middle to fake engagements + phoenixes threatning to snipe banshees delays the push a lot ..
He also didn't have to engage there when all tanks were already sieged .. at least engage when some tanks are not sieged when he tries to move forward can you cite some examples of holding a nexus when facing a 1/1/1? I'm zerg and not so aware of the TvP meta, but to quote TT1 when replying earlier to someone else who suggested canceling the nexus was a poor choice, "lol." agreed on the poor engagement, and delay though.
What Kiwi did is one of the best ways to hold this push .. phoenixes to snipe banshees/stall, zealot/sentry/immortal army in the middle to fake engagements and force sieges while your nexus is paying off.
No nexus means no pressure on terran so yeah ... unless he pulls lots of scvs as puma did here
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On August 28 2011 11:20 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 SC2Phoenix wrote:On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Terran will always have an eco lead on 1base due to mules and marines dps grows to insane levels as the game goes on. not with 15 scvs sitting in the middle of the map.. TRUST ME dude
kiwi also had a significant lead on probes. add that to the non-mining 15 and his eco was much better. wish he would have waited before engaging, but he is much better at judging that than me.
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On August 28 2011 11:15 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess. Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified.
I've said anyone that thinks [insert obligatory political statement opposite of my own here because I don't want to derail the thread] should die in a fire. It's called exaggeration.
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On August 28 2011 11:19 ShaneFeit wrote:
I found this interesting. So far the best player has been Coca (10-0) while the worst player has been Incontrol (0-10) who hasnt won a game.
CoCa got a bit lucky with his group though 
He is a total ZvP boss. He just doesn't lose ZvP. He was probably all smiles when he says incontrol/huk/nani in his group. And Rain isn't exactly the best TvZer.
Still though, impressive showing from him. Easily the most impressive of everyone at MLG (followed very close by PuMa).
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On August 28 2011 11:19 BatCat wrote:
Hm, SeleCT has a better score overall but DongRaeGu gets the first spot cause he beat him (but fell to TricKsteR)? Seems a little off to me and it actually makes quite a difference. But oh well, MLG rules have always been a bit controversial.
nothing controversial about it at all, just because the korean made it in doesn't make it unfair.
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Lol, foreingers in TL thread are so good at holding 1-1-1. Go to Korea and stop Bomber or MVP 1-1-1 then.
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ITT: people think mules give you an eco lead after pulling 12 SCVs and stopping all worker production.
FYI: An orbital command regens 0.56 energy a second and a mule costs 50 energy and lasts 90 seconds.
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On August 28 2011 11:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Plz inform MC/Alicia etc. Actually no, you're just wrong. You stall that long and you'll be dealing with a gigantic marine ball with no aoe. That's impossible to do. ok then every terran should 1-1-1 and have a 100% winrate in tvp if theres no way of defending it.. LOL wtf are u trying to get at?
uhhh, that is essentially what's happening? haha
Anyway, I agree that you're wrong, even MC has said the bigger the marine ball, the more difficult it becomes to win without AoE. The only reason to stall is to let the econ of a natural kick in. Stalling off 1 base is not the answer.
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On August 28 2011 11:18 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 SC2Phoenix wrote:On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Terran will always have an eco lead on 1base due to mules and marines dps grows to insane levels as the game goes on. Except when they brought up the income tab protoss had nearly twice the income...
The income tab is not accurate as it depends on whether the mule was in mining. Remember that MC had twice the amount of workers when he lost to Puma's second wave.
Man..most people have not been seing the tens of games that 1/1/1 have won...that's why these stupid discussions are happening every freaking time.
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On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly
Yeah, and marines just stare and watch while every terran unit dies?? If you go for the tanks with the phoenixes, marines just shut down everything, when you go for the banshees, tanks annihilate zealots and leave immortals open to marine fire. It's not that simple man, the best protoss in the world (MC) loses to this thing all the time, even when it seems he holds, he doesn't lol.
If you stall and wait, stimpack and combat shield will be upgraded, which means immortals melt down instantly, and the marine ball increases into impossible to manage sizes. If you stall closer to your main, terran does a hard contain which can only be broken by 1 base colo (which sucks), all while expanding and building a stronger eco than you.
In order to hold 1-1-1 you must make the exact perfect amount of stalkers and immortals, and go in as soon as the timing hits, which is mostly when terran doesn't have an absurd amount of marines. What you're ignoring in your argument is that the real threat of waiting is the marines and the inability to expand because of tanks, not the other units, since just MULEing allows terran to build a constant stream of marines. Also, terran has a very solid answer to stalker heavier compositions, the raven, which again, means marines get to slice protoss for breakfast.
It's hard to explain, but the correct way to hold the push is the way MC did it on XNC in IEM finals against Puma himself. The first push was held beautifully, he then made a decision making mistake in the second push. That was great defense.
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On August 28 2011 11:19 ShaneFeit wrote:
I found this interesting. So far the best player has been Coca (10-0) while the worst player has been Incontrol (0-10) who hasnt won a game.
well yeah, but groups are quite different
select goes with 8-2 from group with hero, drg and trickster and coca does 10-0 in group with trimaster and incontrol (nani and huk are pretty strong, but still)
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