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1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance
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I was just going to mention this... Or what about a good 4 gate attack? Even though it would def. be a blind counter of sorts. I dunno. It just shows that the 1/1/1 is very versatile if the toss player does not aggro VR/4gate early on.
And i'm happy that Puma showcased the 1/1/1 again, because it was very exciting to see how Kiwi would respond. For those talking about y he walked into the siege tanks, it didn't matter if Kiwi attacked then or later because siege tanks is a main component of the 1/1/1 attack. He might have wanted to take Puma off his gaurd?
Eh, who knows. I am excited about how Kiwi did the mass stalkers/collusus push. THAT is awesome! If he had sprinkled a couple immortals into his game 2 mix he may have won that. Game 2 he def. should have won though! I mean, he was up the WHOLE game and made a blunder by allowing the drops as well as the gold base going up... But it's not as if Puma didn't make any mistakes... He supp. blocked himself the whole game it seemed. It def. shows that Puma is a great player, but I've new found respect for Kiwi because of his performance in the tourny so far. Before I'd hear a lot of praise for him, and now I know why.
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On August 28 2011 11:21 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:20 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase. He has a moronic fanbase if they DONT want him to use the best builds possible. How do you make more fans when you use the same debate-ably OP every TvP? I know that hasn't been his best match-up but hell, that's like saying do you want to just all-in your way to the top? If Mvp abused that build, I would honestly stop watching him so much. You'd be a fan of watching someone not trying as hard to win I guess.
Or you'd be a fan of someone confident enough in their macro skills that they know they'll win either way, so they do it in the way that doesn't require a drop in fanbase and in interest.
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On August 28 2011 11:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player  self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Plz inform MC/Alicia etc. Actually no, you're just wrong. You stall that long and you'll be dealing with a gigantic marine ball with no aoe. That's impossible to do. ok well every terran should just 1-1-1 and have a 100% winrate in tvp if theres no way of defending it.. LOL wtf are u trying to get at?
Er the whole reason people complain is that their winrate pretty much is 100% when they get a map they can use it on.
There's a reason Protoss PvT winrate in Korea is at 38% and dropping.
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On August 28 2011 11:21 Headnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:19 BatCat wrote:
Hm, SeleCT has a better score overall but DongRaeGu gets the first spot cause he beat him (but fell to TricKsteR)? Seems a little off to me and it actually makes quite a difference. But oh well, MLG rules have always been a bit controversial. nothing controversial about it at all, just because the korean made it in doesn't make it unfair.
Agreed. In what way is a head to head tiebreaker controversial....
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On August 28 2011 11:21 Pyskee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:15 tomatriedes wrote:On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way  (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess. Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified. I've said anyone that thinks [insert obligatory political statement opposite of my own here because I don't want to derail the thread] should die in a fire. It's called exaggeration.
The point is that MVP still thinks the build is imba and doesn't know of a good way for toss to counter it. No one is suggesting that he's serious lol
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can anyone explain to me why incontrol is still #9 seed?
if i remember it right he got 0-5'd in pool play at the last 3 MLGs (including this event)
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On August 28 2011 11:21 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:20 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase. He has a moronic fanbase if they DONT want him to use the best builds possible. How do you make more fans when you use the same debate-ably OP every TvP? I know that hasn't been his best match-up but hell, that's like saying do you want to just all-in your way to the top? If Mvp abused that build, I would honestly stop watching him so much. You'd be a fan of watching someone not trying as hard to win I guess.
that doesn't make sense. are you saying I like it when people go all-in all the time or something?
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On August 28 2011 11:22 Worldatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:21 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:20 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase. He has a moronic fanbase if they DONT want him to use the best builds possible. How do you make more fans when you use the same debate-ably OP every TvP? I know that hasn't been his best match-up but hell, that's like saying do you want to just all-in your way to the top? If Mvp abused that build, I would honestly stop watching him so much. You'd be a fan of watching someone not trying as hard to win I guess. Or you'd be a fan of someone confident enough in their macro skills that they know they'll win either way, so they do it in the way that doesn't require a drop in fanbase and in interest.
No, you're being crazy now. You might as well ban all cheese. It isnt going to happen and players that never use it even once in a while are one dimensional and usually subpar.
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Thought husky day9 still had a set to do, or is it over for the night?
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Can we stop talking about that 111 please. If a fucking code s spot was on the line I would 111 the shit out of every protoss to get it.
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On August 28 2011 11:18 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 SC2Phoenix wrote:On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Terran will always have an eco lead on 1base due to mules and marines dps grows to insane levels as the game goes on. Except when they brought up the income tab protoss had nearly twice the income... Terran had an eco lead all game long until the last 60 seconds of the game where Puma pulled his scvs and last time I checked terrans mineral dump is way better than the protoss mineral dump.
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On August 28 2011 11:18 tuestresfat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:17 KnightGrinder wrote:On August 28 2011 11:12 LtLolburger wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand. because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread. I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. I'm pretty sure you are just plain wrong. Maybe on taldarim, but not on any other map. Huk did it vs MKP on XNC link? iirc that wasn't a 2rax by MKP.
I might have remember it wrong but it was game 7
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On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess.
Must be fun being wrong in calling someone wrong....i guess?
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On August 28 2011 11:21 noooob wrote:
Day9 opened the income tab breifly right before the kiwi/ puma engage. Puma had roughly 400 minerals per minute income and kiwi was up at the standard 800 for 1 base. No reason not to delay longer, i don't care how good marine dps is if you have that big of an income lead for long enough your army will get incrementally bigger than his.
It doesn't matter how much your army gets bigger because you'll just be making more zealots for his marines to chew through. They won't ever actually do anything to his marines. You HAVE to have aoe to stop a huge marine ball, and if you stall he'll end up with a huge one and you'll have no aoe.
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On August 28 2011 11:16 Mczeppo wrote:
doesnt the rules say no imbalance whining?
the last 20 pages are basically about 111 being "totally" imba and Puma being the worst man on earth.
The funny thing is that most people crying here are probably diamonds, lolz
yeah, but people are also discussing what kiwi should have done to make it a better engagement as well. Anytime someone wins with 1-1-1, theres gonna be rage and QQ. Dont blame puma for doing it, but as MVP said, its not pleasing to the fans, which is why puma has significantly less fans that alot of top koreans (DRG, mvp, mma, etc etc.)
and anyways, dont assume people are diamonds just because they are speaking the truth? im high masters.
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On August 28 2011 11:22 thewax wrote:
can anyone explain to me why incontrol is still #9 seed?
if i remember it right he got 0-5'd in pool play at the last 3 MLGs (including this event)
after loosing every map in pool he wins aainst tlo every time and then looses to any random dude. enough points to stay till the next time
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does anyone (high master league or gm player) want to play a few cgs with me so we can test both builds out?
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On August 28 2011 11:22 thewax wrote:
can anyone explain to me why incontrol is still #9 seed?
if i remember it right he got 0-5'd in pool play at the last 3 MLGs (including this event)
that's what i want to know..
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On August 28 2011 11:22 thewax wrote:
can anyone explain to me why incontrol is still #9 seed?
if i remember it right he got 0-5'd in pool play at the last 3 MLGs (including this event)
last 2 MLGs. I believe he went 2-3 in Columbus beating TLO and Haypro.
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