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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:

1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
August 28 2011 02:18 GMT
#9481
On August 28 2011 11:16 KonohaFlash wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:15 tomatriedes wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:
I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T


Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it.

I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done.



cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller

Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ?

Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma.


From MVP interview:
Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]


Must be fun being wrong I guess.


Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified.

So then he changed his mind after?


Where does it say he changed his mind? He still thinks it's too strong which is why he doesn't use it.
Robonord
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States311 Posts
August 28 2011 02:18 GMT
#9482
hoping for a huk/idra rematch tomorrow :3
IMLosirA | ST_Bomber | SlayerS_Puzzle
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
August 28 2011 02:18 GMT
#9483
Is there going to be another game?
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
August 28 2011 02:18 GMT
#9484
On August 28 2011 11:16 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.

MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma.

I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken.

Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that.


Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective


lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly
Terran will always have an eco lead on 1base due to mules and marines dps grows to insane levels as the game goes on.


Except when they brought up the income tab protoss had nearly twice the income...
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
August 28 2011 02:18 GMT
#9485
On August 28 2011 11:15 FairForever wrote:
lol

No one complains when Thorzain attempts to (and fails) 1/1/1 Genius in the GSTL, yet when PuMa does it, it's OMG WTF !!!!!!


dont bring out inconvenient truth.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 28 2011 02:18 GMT
#9486
On August 28 2011 11:17 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:17 DystopiaX wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:16 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:15 DystopiaX wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase.

More like he has self-respect.

And he can beat toss without it anyway cause he's such a boss.

LOL are we really saying using a build is that big of a deal? You people are drama queens.

It's lost maybe twice in competitive play and only when the Terran did stupid things (donating banshees, attacking without siege). If players don't do stupid things they win. So yes.

So you're balance whining constantly and think something that isnt cheating shouldn't be used? You're completely irrational.

I think it should be balanced out of the game yeah. Things that win basically 100% of the time shouldn't be in the game.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
August 28 2011 02:18 GMT
#9487
Tyler wins G2 and ties up his CLR1 series with Ostojiy at 1-1
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Sablar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden880 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9488
More matches today?
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9489
Tyler won game 2 against ostijiy! Go go Tyler!
parker-
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany285 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9490
On August 28 2011 11:16 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:16 Tppz! wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:11 Yaki wrote:
Naniwa > HuK > Rain


Well its like this:

Rain > Naniwa > Huk > Rain > Naniwa > Huk ... etc


I cant see a right seeding based on the results of pool a

This is as I said this is based on the seeding and Naniwa has the best seeding

this is a pretty stupid rule
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9491
Any more streaming today?
SC2 player for Flash eSports. twitch.tv/nether_drake, https://twitter.com/bryan_sum, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bryan-Drake-Sum/468389706519567
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9492
On August 28 2011 11:18 Grettin wrote:
Tyler wins G2 and ties up his CLR1 series with Ostojiy at 1-1

Grats Tyler. gl in game 3
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 02:21:39
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9493
On August 28 2011 11:16 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.

MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma.

I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken.

Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that.


Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective


lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly

Plz inform MC/Alicia etc.

Actually no, you're just wrong. You stall that long and you'll be dealing with a gigantic marine ball with no aoe. That's impossible to do.


ok well every terran should just 1-1-1 and have a 100% winrate in tvp if theres no way of defending it.. LOL wtf are u trying to get at?
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Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9494
On August 28 2011 11:16 tuestresfat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:14 Alzadar wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.


because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread.


I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax.


Then your Robotics is too late and you die to cloak Banshees. The problem isn't really the 2rax or the 1/1/1, it's the inability to have the slightest clue what the Terran is doing until after you've committed to a tech path.

I don't know what to say, there isn't one part of your post that is actually correct.

hes right at least about the scouting terran thing.
minru
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9495
People need to realize even though 1-1-1 is a strong/op build; Kiwikaki engaged horribly there.
W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9496
Since kiwi was 1 basing to defend 1-1-1, wouldn't it be cool if he just sent his army at the terran main (along with 1 phoenix) while the rest of the phoenix stays at home? Terran isn't going to backtrack all the way to defend, while all you need is a sentry (along with a warp prism) to keep your own base safe. Just perma-Forcefield so marines can never get up for vision. Phoenixes will deny banshees any vision. So his tanks are left sieged on the low ground, only useful whenever he uses a scan. But of course this is already taken into account... Drop a zealot from the warp prism to take tank hits, then drop sentry to keep the FF's going.
Hi
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9497
I would kill to watch Tyler v Ostojiy G3.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9498
Ggogoo Tyler
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9499
On August 28 2011 11:17 KnightGrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:12 LtLolburger wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.


because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread.


I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax.


I'm pretty sure you are just plain wrong. Maybe on taldarim, but not on any other map.


Huk did it vs MKP on XNC

Ya and that was even 3 rax w CS not even a 2 rac
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
dwillow
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic88 Posts
August 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#9500
GOOO TYLER!!!!
"Cause there's one thing i know.....some things r just worth fightin' for!!!!"
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