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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:
1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance
Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#) |
On August 28 2011 11:12 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:09 CEPEHDREI wrote:On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? he did it against MC in Code S. It's Bomber who did that, not MVP ?
both did a version of it.
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On August 28 2011 11:16 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:15 tomatriedes wrote:On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way  (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore ....  what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess. Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified. I would much like to see said interview. As a lot of ppl in this thread completely talk out of their asses.
Was retweeted by Milkis. On twitter not in an interview.
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On August 28 2011 11:12 LtLolburger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand. because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread. I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. I'm pretty sure you are just plain wrong. Maybe on taldarim, but not on any other map.
Huk did it vs MKP on XNC
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On August 28 2011 11:17 Templarama wrote:
Are there more games? Nothing on the stream seems to indicate one way or another. Anyone know if the day is done or what's going on?
one more game
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On August 28 2011 11:16 SwampZero wrote:
I feel like Kiwi should have circled around the Terran ball and harass from behind while cutting off reinforcements. There would have been nothing the Terran could have done.
Kiwi loses his base, loses all production facilities and probably all of his probes, Terran lifts off and wins. There is definitely something Terran can do, when Terran has the superior ground army, protoss can't just give up his base.
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand. because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread. I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. Then your Robotics is too late and you die to cloak Banshees. The problem isn't really the 2rax or the 1/1/1, it's the inability to have the slightest clue what the Terran is doing until after you've committed to a tech path.
I can 1 gate FE into 3 gates and have an obs out at 7:45, problem?
I agree on your second point though.
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On August 28 2011 11:17 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:15 DystopiaX wrote:On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase. More like he has self-respect. And he can beat toss without it anyway cause he's such a boss. LOL are we really saying using a build is that big of a deal? You people are drama queens. It's lost maybe twice in competitive play and only when the Terran did stupid things (donating banshees, attacking without siege). If players don't do stupid things they win. So yes.
So you're balance whining constantly and think something that isnt cheating shouldn't be used? You're completely irrational.
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On August 28 2011 11:16 Mczeppo wrote:
doesnt the rules say no imbalance whining? .............
fast moving thread and report buttons dont belong to everyone. also most is discussion very little baseless QQ
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On August 28 2011 11:16 SC2Phoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly Terran will always have an eco lead on 1base due to mules and marines dps grows to insane levels as the game goes on.
Did you even fuckin watch the game? Puma pulled half his scvs in that attack. Everyone is clearly discussing this specific situation and how the longer he stalled the better his chances were.
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On August 28 2011 11:15 FairForever wrote:
lol
No one complains when Thorzain attempts to (and fails) 1/1/1 Genius in the GSTL, yet when PuMa does it, it's OMG WTF !!!!!!
Hard to complain when the Terran move commands his army then doesn't siege his tanks
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On August 28 2011 11:16 Coolhwip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 skYfiVe wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Kamikazess wrote:On August 28 2011 11:06 ZAiNs wrote:On August 28 2011 11:06 Kamikazess wrote:
It was pretty clear that Kiwi tried to trick Puma into doing the 1-1-1, hoping to hold it. Why is it so clear? Because XNC is the best map for the 1-1-1, and the map was picked by Kiwi. Of course he saw it coming. I don't think he would have expanded then... He was obviously thrown off a bit. Ofc u expand with that build, you time the obs so you can cancel the nexus if its a 1-1-1. Can people who know nothing about this game stop posting right now?
Just don't bother with him.
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand. because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread. I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. Then your Robotics is too late and you die to cloak Banshees. The problem isn't really the 2rax or the 1/1/1, it's the inability to have the slightest clue what the Terran is doing until after you've committed to a tech path.
Part of it is that terran is just a really well designed race, and toss is a collaboration of a bunch of half-assed ideas that shouldn't have made it past planning. I'd rather they change toss rather than nerf the 1/1/1, but the problem is that the type of sweeping changes you would need likely wouldn't be seen out of an expansion, and LotV isn't coming out for several more years.
To those wondering about 1.4: +1 immortal range and some extra warp prism shields won't do a god damn thing.
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United Arab Emirates137 Posts
What about hallucinating a shit load of immortals or even a few void rays or a collossus (assuming no raven )
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On August 28 2011 11:13 Manslayer wrote:Naniwa > HuK > Rain > Naniwa > HuK > Rain >Naniwa > HuK > Rain > Naniwa > HuK > Rain...
I applaud your endless logic circle loop. If only Destiny fans could understand.
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Even tho its gonna be another korean top 4 foreigners looked a lot better at this MLG than the past few. Fun to see the resurgence of Select and Kiwi. Coca's the only one that completely raped his group, all the others had some tough drawn out matches. Not saying the gap is closing but foreigners put up a decent fight this time.
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On August 28 2011 11:16 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:15 tomatriedes wrote:On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess. Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified. I would much like to see said interview. As a lot of ppl in this thread completely talk out of their asses.
https://twitter.com/#!/sc2immvp
It was on twitter
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On August 28 2011 11:17 KnightGrinder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:12 LtLolburger wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand. because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread. I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. I'm pretty sure you are just plain wrong. Maybe on taldarim, but not on any other map. Huk did it vs MKP on XNC
link? iirc that wasn't a 2rax by MKP.
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On August 28 2011 11:17 SwampZero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 SwampZero wrote:
I feel like Kiwi should have circled around the Terran ball and harass from behind while cutting off reinforcements. There would have been nothing the Terran could have done. I don't mean base trade, just harass the ball. If Terran unsieges and goes towards your base, you chase and kill stuff. If he sieges, you back off, all t he while preventing any reinforcements.
PRotoss reinforcements just remain at base, and meanwhile Protoss outmacross the terran, while Terran's only options are either try a basetrade (which the protoss can choose if he participates or attacks) or just head back towards his own base..
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While it sucks Kiwi lost to the 1-1-1, we need to stop arguing about it and just remember for a second that Kiwi seems to be back to his best, he's gone 4-1 this tournament and in game 1/early in game 2 against Puma, he looked fucking sick.
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On August 28 2011 11:16 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:16 Tppz! wrote:On August 28 2011 11:11 Yaki wrote:
Naniwa > HuK > Rain Well its like this: Rain > Naniwa > Huk > Rain > Naniwa > Huk ... etc I cant see a right seeding based on the results of pool a This is as I said this is based on the seeding and Naniwa has the best seeding
omg these rules of mlg are just so damn fail -.-
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