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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:

1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)
SwampZero
Profile Joined September 2010
Greece350 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9441
I feel like Kiwi should have circled around the Terran ball and harass from behind while cutting off reinforcements. There would have been nothing the Terran could have done.
Mczeppo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 02:19:26
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9442
doesnt the rules say no imbalance whining?
the last 20 pages are basically about 111 being "totally" imba and Puma being the worst man on earth.

The funny thing is that most people crying here are probably diamonds, lolz
"whether you make it or not depends mostly on the personal battle within yourself." - NaDa
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9443
none of you will ever be successful if you don't do what it takes to win, unless you consider QQ successful

anyways kiwi just messed up by attacking too soon imo
hihihi
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9444
On August 28 2011 11:15 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase.

More like he has self-respect.

And he can beat toss without it anyway cause he's such a boss.

LOL are we really saying using a build is that big of a deal? You people are drama queens.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9445
On August 28 2011 11:14 Alzadar wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.


because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread.


I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax.


Then your Robotics is too late and you die to cloak Banshees. The problem isn't really the 2rax or the 1/1/1, it's the inability to have the slightest clue what the Terran is doing until after you've committed to a tech path.

I don't know what to say, there isn't one part of your post that is actually correct.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9446
BOMBER vs DRG and Coca vs Puma

Awesome. High level ZVT. I enjoyed all the tvp's and tvt's but finally some other matchup.
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9447
On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.

MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma.

I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken.

Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that.


Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective


lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly


There you have it. No one here can argue with TT1. Kiwi chose the map because he wanted to defend the 1-1-1. His execution failed though. That's all.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9448
On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:
I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T


Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it.

I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done.



cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller

Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ?

Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma.


From MVP interview:
Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]


Must be fun being wrong I guess.


MVP said players should be disqualified on his twitter.
I've got moves like Jagger
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9449
On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.

MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma.

I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken.

Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that.


Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective


lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly
Terran will always have an eco lead on 1base due to mules and marines dps grows to insane levels as the game goes on.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9450
On August 28 2011 11:10 skYfiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:09 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:06 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:06 Kamikazess wrote:
It was pretty clear that Kiwi tried to trick Puma into doing the 1-1-1, hoping to hold it.

Why is it so clear?


Because XNC is the best map for the 1-1-1, and the map was picked by Kiwi. Of course he saw it coming.


I don't think he would have expanded then... He was obviously thrown off a bit.


Ofc u expand with that build, you time the obs so you can cancel the nexus if its a 1-1-1. Can people who know nothing about this game stop posting right now?
crack
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9451
On August 28 2011 11:07 cArn- wrote:
big mistake to cancel the nexus tbh, if you don't have a nexus there is no reason for terran to force the issue and try to attack you, with nexus pressure is on terran and has to make something happen quick before the nexus kicks in, and having ure army in the middle to fake engagements + phoenixes threatning to snipe banshees delays the push a lot ..

He also didn't have to engage there when all tanks were already sieged .. at least engage when some tanks are not sieged when he tries to move forward


Smartest statement in the whole thread. I think the early nexus really is an important factor in holding that push. I'm sure there might be some 1 base tactics and Kiwi had the right idea, but I think they depend to heavily on the terran to make a mistake and Puma is not one to make such a crucial mistake.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9452
On August 28 2011 11:16 Tppz! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:11 Yaki wrote:
Naniwa > HuK > Rain


Well its like this:

Rain > Naniwa > Huk > Rain > Naniwa > Huk ... etc


I cant see a right seeding based on the results of pool a

This is as I said this is based on the seeding and Naniwa has the best seeding
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9453
On August 28 2011 11:15 rewired wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


NaDa also refuses to use the build too.

Nada used it in this GSL on Terminus vs Alicia. He did make a command center at home but it was definitely marine tank banshee + late raven 1-1-1
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 02:17:23
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9454
On August 28 2011 11:15 FairForever wrote:
lol

No one complains when Thorzain attempts to (and fails) 1/1/1 Genius in the GSTL, yet when PuMa does it, it's OMG WTF !!!!!!


the non-koreans have more fans here in 'MERICA where mlg is, that's what you get. koreans get no love

well..maybe a little with nada
Razuik
Profile Joined October 2010
United States409 Posts
August 28 2011 02:16 GMT
#9455
On August 28 2011 11:15 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:
I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T


Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it.

I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done.



cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller

Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ?

Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma.


From MVP interview:
Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]


Must be fun being wrong I guess.


Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified.

I would much like to see said interview. As a lot of ppl in this thread completely talk out of their asses.
SwampZero
Profile Joined September 2010
Greece350 Posts
August 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#9456
On August 28 2011 11:16 SwampZero wrote:
I feel like Kiwi should have circled around the Terran ball and harass from behind while cutting off reinforcements. There would have been nothing the Terran could have done.



I don't mean base trade, just harass the ball.

If Terran unsieges and goes towards your base, you chase and kill stuff. If he sieges, you back off, all t he while preventing any reinforcements.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#9457
On August 28 2011 11:16 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:15 DystopiaX wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase.

More like he has self-respect.

And he can beat toss without it anyway cause he's such a boss.

LOL are we really saying using a build is that big of a deal? You people are drama queens.

It's lost maybe twice in competitive play and only when the Terran did stupid things (donating banshees, attacking without siege). If players don't do stupid things they win. So yes.

User was temp banned for this post.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
August 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#9458
sry miss the whole day2, only watched results
what's next today?
No carpal tunnel no skill
Beardedclam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 02:17:55
August 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#9459
On August 28 2011 11:15 rewired wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


NaDa also refuses to use the build too.


They are utter ballers. Plus, they gain way more fans not doing that bullshit.
"bye bye" - genius "#$@% you" - Idra------------|Genius|DRG|Keen|---------Breakfast.213
Templarama
Profile Joined August 2011
43 Posts
August 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#9460
Are there more games? Nothing on the stream seems to indicate one way or another. Anyone know if the day is done or what's going on?
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