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1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
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4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance
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OMG, so many people who have no idea what they are talking about. Kiwi had to engage or else Puma was just going to slow push him, and with constant reinforcements the push would have been even stronger.
This is why you expand so you can get more units out. Even if you lose your nexus, it would have payed itself off by the time the push came. There was no way Kwi could hold it on one base. Korean terrans are simply better, than Kiwi is use to play against. GG Puma and Kiwi!!!!
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase.
More like he has self-respect.
And he can beat toss without it anyway cause he's such a boss.
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On August 28 2011 11:12 LtLolburger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand. because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread. I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. I'm pretty sure you are just plain wrong. Maybe on taldarim, but not on any other map.
No it definitely on everything but close pos shat or metal.
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Why does Liquipedia claim Hero is placed ahead of Slush and Trickster while having the worse map score?
I dont get this at all.
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On August 28 2011 11:11 Eschaton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:07 cArn- wrote:
big mistake to cancel the nexus tbh, if you don't have a nexus there is no reason for terran to force the issue and try to attack you, with nexus pressure is on terran and has to make something happen quick before the nexus kicks in, and having ure army in the middle to fake engagements + phoenixes threatning to snipe banshees delays the push a lot ..
He also didn't have to engage there when all tanks were already sieged .. at least engage when some tanks are not sieged when he tries to move forward can you cite some examples of holding a nexus when facing a 1/1/1? I'm zerg and not so aware of the TvP meta, but to quote TT1 when replying earlier to someone else who suggested canceling the nexus was a poor choice, "lol." agreed on the poor engagement, and delay though.
if u dont cancel the nexus u wont have enought eco to get a stargate up(and 2 additional gateways), ud have a lower gate unit count and would have -1 immortal, the eco ud be getting from ur exp wouldnt have kicked in before the allin hits so ud just end up getting steamrolled
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On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way  (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore ....  what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess.
Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified.
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lol
No one complains when Thorzain attempts to (and fails) 1/1/1 Genius in the GSTL, yet when PuMa does it, it's OMG WTF !!!!!!
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Drewbie is up 1-0 over Hwangsin in CLR1
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Yaki wrote:
WAT ? DRG finished first ?
He defeated Select head to head 2-0. Head to head is the first tie breaker.
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand. because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread. I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax. Then your Robotics is too late and you die to cloak Banshees. The problem isn't really the 2rax or the 1/1/1, it's the inability to have the slightest clue what the Terran is doing until after you've committed to a tech path.
If you poke with stalker and see bunker or only marines, you get robo and can get observer out before cloak finishes.
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Yaki wrote:
WAT ? DRG finished first ?
Yes. DRG 1st Select 2nd.
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On August 28 2011 11:13 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:12 seansye wrote:On August 28 2011 11:11 Alpino wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 dwillow wrote:On August 28 2011 11:06 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Netsky wrote:
Imagine a world where...
...Protoss players stopped crying...
...and learned to play Starcraft 2. quoted for truth protoss diamond players in the thread needs to stop crying because it's getting really old. it is not unbalanced one bit. Kiwi did not counter that build and he wasnt even expecting it since he put up a nexus that he later cancelled. :-D :-D :-D :-D I am Masters terran and I still think its a little bit too strong...have someone even ever held it, if he didn't know its coming, like 3 gate exp doesnt work, 3 gate robo neither, 4gate + robo + stargate may... we can easily get back the 5 raxx reaper vs. Z and terran it all the way!! But than it wud be all TvT's and blue flames :-D... A player that dont know the 1-1-1 is coming deserves to lose. The force of the 1-1-1 lies in it being "scoutable" and not easily countered even still. Everyone knows the 1-1-1 is coming.. The fans know it, casters know it, the players know it, God knows it, Blizzard knows it.... EveryONE knows its coming lol. About a month ago, every Code S toss blind countered it in GSL. They still lost to it. Every. Damn. Time.
And yet again folks, you have men agreeing with each other, still they argue cause it gets them effin hard.
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Kamikazess wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 skYfiVe wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Kamikazess wrote:On August 28 2011 11:06 ZAiNs wrote:On August 28 2011 11:06 Kamikazess wrote:
It was pretty clear that Kiwi tried to trick Puma into doing the 1-1-1, hoping to hold it. Why is it so clear? Because XNC is the best map for the 1-1-1, and the map was picked by Kiwi. Of course he saw it coming. I don't think he would have expanded then... He was obviously thrown off a bit. He expanded to "force" Puma into the 1-1-1. It was obvious he would cancel it, and add more gateways.
an expansion doesnt force a 1-1-1.... 1-1-1 was likely planned no matter what when going into the game.
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On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player
NaDa also refuses to use the build too.
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On August 28 2011 11:14 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:12 ffadicted wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 TT1 wrote:On August 28 2011 11:00 EnderCraft wrote:Do you think he should have bided more time TT1? He knew that he already pulled a bunch of SCV's. Why not sit back a bit more and get out a ton of more units and overwhelm Puma. yea he should have stalled for as long as possible, the more he delays the attack the stronger his compo becomes because of immortal/phoenix get really strong vs pumas composition the higher they get in number, that and he had a better eco so stalling would have allowed him to pump more units.. basic math t.t i think he just got anxious and just engaged without thinking, should have just forced puma to slowpush his way towards his base so could have bought himself as much time as possible Doesn't work like that exactly lol Marine numbers increase in effectiveness exponentially, the longer you wait on 1 base, the more impossible it becomes to hold the marine portion without AoE. You need to 1 gate (w/ or without) robo expand, and stall to allow your econ advantage to kick in and hold it with a similar composition kiwi had (zealot immortal sentry heavy), then use stalkers to clean up banshee and whatever is left. its a protoss progamer you're trying to correct o_o
To be honest, even though he is going against a progamer, his points are completely valid and correct. You need stuff like collosus to deal with marines and if the terran decides to bunker u and choke u into 1 base, you are screwed.
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On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him. Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does. MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly
Plz inform MC/Alicia etc.
Actually no, you're just wrong. You stall that long and you'll be dealing with a gigantic marine ball with no aoe. That's impossible to do.
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On August 28 2011 11:11 Yaki wrote:
Naniwa > HuK > Rain
Well its like this:
Rain > Naniwa > Huk > Rain > Naniwa > Huk ... etc
I cant see a right seeding based on the results of pool a
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Maybe Protoss should do Immortal drops? In GSL Jan Genius vs Rainbow, Genius did an immortal drop vs a marine tank push which was really nice. It also hit much earlier, but it didn't have any banshees so it wasn't a real 1/1/1.
Here is a link
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/vod/59094 Game 5.
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On August 28 2011 11:15 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:12 KonohaFlash wrote:On August 28 2011 11:07 sekritzzz wrote:On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ? Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma. From MVP interview: Q: You've said some things about Terran balance on Twitter recently. (laughs)
A: 1-1-1 is very strong. Because it has a lot of applications, it's really powerful. It's extremely difficult for Protoss. Even though it's really strong, I've rejected the 1-1-1 and don't use it in my games. (laughs) Fans have a lot of different reactions to the 1-1-1, but players can't help it. Don't progamers have to win? You have to understand how important it is. [T/N unsure on this last sentence, sorry. seems like MVP admits it is strong but thinks fan backlash is a little too harsh]Must be fun being wrong I guess. Actually you're wrong. In a different statement before that MVP did say anyone who uses it should be disqualified.
So then he changed his mind after?
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