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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:32 rdj107 wrote: The casters constantly talking about trolls I don't care about aside, I enjoyed the series. Only wish inc could have done some kind of phoenix opener one game, woulda been fun to see verse infestor play. He did that once or twice . | ||
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whirlpool
2788 Posts
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damod
1106 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:30 crms wrote: the worst thing on the internet is the 'hater' shit. there are trolls in everything but anyone who criticizes anything these days is just tossed aside as a 'hater' while the person being criticized keeps their chin in the air like it's all good. guess what, not everyone with a negative or different opinion is a 'hater' and sometimes people DESERVE to be criticized. anyway grats destiny. i can assure you that the stuff that were talked on the stream chat WAS NOT a showing of different opoinion or a critic. this thread was more civil, but still... | ||
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Tyrellius
36 Posts
Pity you didn't take the series iNcontrol, maybe not cancelling the cannons at the natural in the final set could have tilted Destiny more. | ||
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WooChop
United States120 Posts
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Fleebenworth
463 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:25 Fission wrote: gg all. @incontrol - woulda prefered to see you try to win, rather than showcase fun builds. GL nexttime anyways. You're delusional if you buy that BS. He was trying pretty hard to win and used similar comps and builds in nearly every game, he's just not that good and infestors are really fucking powerful ATM. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:24 iNcontroL wrote: gg's! Kinda sad to see so much negativity in here.. not really worth playing destiny when so many haters want to make this less than fun. Tried to make it fun and did different stuff each game. He won and played really well. Wish it could be more about the games! Until next time! The game that was most interesting to me was the lost temple game. It was nice to see your turtle style go against Destiny's strongest infestor build. I would have liked to seen you split up your void rays and shift queued attacks over key points of the map with at least one if not both. No need to tell you that if you had shift attacked a void ray over the rocks you would have pushed back those lings that snuck in, burrowed and killed all your sentries. You played well and I think you should practice with Destiny in private. He's the best infestor control out there and it was cool to see you experiment literally EVERYTHING tonight. It was very informative. I think the imbalance right now is that of the three spellcasters (ghosts, infestors, and HT's) HT's are the weakest. They need more move speed probably. They're like an inverse of ghosts. Feedback is a single target whereas EMP is an aoe, obviously EMP would be better. And snipe is a single target damage whereas storm is an aoe damage. I'd rather have snipe because storm fails against so much. | ||
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
I'm not a hater, I saw destiny entertainingly beat combatex earlier , I enjoyed watching it. I am a fan of incontrol for what he represents but he wasn't even following the basic standards of PvZ. Small amounts of zealots, an observer with the army, and +2 dmg. The amount of games I saw all of those in was 0. I get it, he is trying new things. Even when I try new things I still have standards. Hopefully this showmatch is a wakeup call to get motivated. If you really can't think of ideas to beat infestors , I would gladly sit on skype with any top level player and discuss some of the standards that counter this type of play. PM me I guess, it burns my soul to see you lose like this. | ||
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Throat
United States156 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:37 wats0n wrote: The game that was most interesting to me was the lost temple game. It was nice to see your turtle style go against Destiny's strongest infestor build. I would have liked to seen you split up your void rays and shift queued attacks over key points of the map with at least one if not both. No need to tell you that if you had shift attacked a void ray over the rocks you would have pushed back those lings that snuck in, burrowed and killed all your sentries. You played well and I think you should practice with Destiny in private. He's the best infestor control out there and it was cool to see you experiment literally EVERYTHING tonight. It was very informative. I think the imbalance right now is that of the three spellcasters (ghosts, infestors, and HT's) HT's are the weakest. They need more move speed probably. They're like an inverse of ghosts. Feedback is a single target whereas EMP is an aoe, obviously EMP would be better. And snipe is a single target damage whereas storm is an aoe damage. I'd rather have snipe because storm fails against so much. "I'd rather have snipe" Think about that for a couple of minutes and get back to me if you truly feel that way. Feedback/Storm/Morph to Archon and can be warped in... sounds like a pretty good unit to me. | ||
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ETisME
12628 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:36 Fleebenworth wrote: You're delusional if you buy that BS. He was trying pretty hard to win and used similar comps and builds in nearly every game, he's just not that good and infestors are really fucking powerful ATM. are you saying DT, chargelot and archons are the units to go against infestor roache? pretty sure even pure roache would have done well there | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:32 Throat wrote: So you're saying he played well vs the Infestor builds? This is a guy who has criticized Destiny in the past and also complained about Infestors very recently, this was his chance to showcase both of these opinions. He could beat Destiny and show that he is better since he is a pro and Destiny is just a mid-tier player, and he could play standard and do what IdrA was saying (3 base turtle Colo style) and still lose to showcase how Infestors are "overpowered". Instead he did strange builds and played terrible (in general) and lost a showmatch that he should have won. I just think he could have used this showmatch as something other than "trying to make it fun". Fun isn't watching Zeal/Archon get demolished by Roach/Infestor and cannon rushes anyway. Dude, take a deep breath, relax, and understand, it was just a showmatch, incontrol was haveing fun. so what if he havnt did well against infestors ? he could have just cheesed his way in the showmatch and pretty much win against destiny, but instead he decided to play longer games just so people wont complain that he is a "noobish cheeser", and guess what ? either way people werent satesfied with his play. give him a break... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
This isn't a balance QQ by any means, but lower level players are doing really well with these builds and taking games off top-tier players with consistency | ||
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:36 Fleebenworth wrote: You're delusional if you buy that BS. He was trying pretty hard to win and used similar comps and builds in nearly every game, he's just not that good and infestors are really fucking powerful ATM. if this wasn't a showmatch and was a tournament, incontrol could've probably any form of early game cheese or all in and would've won the series. He knows that's how you beat destiny's build and destiny know's that's how you beat destiny's build. in two of the games destiny lost, he saw the attack coming or scouted the base, it's just that destiny's style is weak early game, so he still lost. Incontrol could definitely abuse that if he was actually playing to win | ||
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Throat
United States156 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:41 damod wrote: Dude, take a deep breath, relax, and understand, it was just a showmatch, incontrol was haveing fun. so what if he havnt did well against infestors ? he could have just cheesed his way in the showmatch and pretty much win against destiny, but instead he decided to play longer games just so people wont complain that he is a "noobish cheeser", and guess what ? either way people werent satesfied with his play. give him a break... Sorry bro, but criticizing Destiny and calling Infestors overpowered, then doing retarded builds vs Destiny's Infestor heavy builds, and then expecting there to be no negativity is pretty fucking stupid. | ||
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sashamunguia
Mexico423 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:25 MrDudeMan wrote: There would have been haters either way, if you had won this thread would have been full with destiny haters. Either way great games by both of you. so true :/ and well, two posts after your `welcoming` post on this thread, there was this guy calling destiny zerg scum, I hope u also have some words to this kind of people and not just pretend they dont exist. All im saying is either be imparcial, or be... idk. thanks a lot to Stimtv and Incontrol for this nice games, and congrats for destiny winning another series have fun  | ||
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Fleebenworth
463 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:40 ETisME wrote: are you saying DT, chargelot and archons are the units to go against infestor roache? pretty sure even pure roache would have done well there No I'm saying this BS about trying to show new builds is just that. He didn't really show anything new/different as he used the same build in nearly every game, I honestly just believe that he doesn't know how to counter Destiny's style. There is no shame in this, but the implication that "oah hey guys I was just trying to have a fun time out there I wasn't trying my hardest to win" is ridiculous and classic incontrol. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:39 Throat wrote: "I'd rather have snipe" Think about that for a couple of minutes and get back to me if you truly feel that way. Feedback/Storm/Morph to Archon and can be warped in... sounds like a pretty good unit to me. I do feel that way. If I want to knock out energy EMP takes it all out in an aoe and if I need focused kill on an infestor snipe takes them out. With HT's you need double digit numbers to knock out energy of multiple targets. It's pretty obvious to me that a focused damage and an aoe energy drain far exceeds an aoe damage and a focused energy drain. The storm just doesn't cleave the important targets the way snipe does because any donkey with a brain just moves his units out of storm and almost everything is hardy enough to survive a storm no matter how well placed. | ||
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Goggalor
United States310 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:24 iNcontroL wrote: First you talk shit about a player, then when you lose in a bo7 you complain about the negativity (that you took a big part in stirring up) and make excuses for losing. gg's! Kinda sad to see so much negativity in here.. not really worth playing destiny when so many haters want to make this less than fun. Tried to make it fun and did different stuff each game. He won and played really well. Wish it could be more about the games! Until next time! | ||
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Throat
United States156 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:45 wats0n wrote: I do feel that way. If I want to knock out energy EMP takes it all out in an aoe and if I need focused kill on an infestor snipe takes them out. With HT's you need double digit numbers to knock out energy of multiple targets. It's pretty obvious to me that a focused damage and an aoe energy drain far exceeds an aoe damage and a focused energy drain. The storm just doesn't cleave the important targets the way snipe does because any donkey with a brain just moves his units out of storm and almost everything is hardy enough to survive a storm no matter how well placed. If you are talking about energy vs energy units then yes. In general, storm > snipe. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:42 Ubertron wrote: For me the interesting thing is that Destiny, most people's idea of a 'mid-level pro' is having so much success with these infestor builds. Wait until the TOP guys start adopting this style more and tell me some balance changes aren't required This isn't a balance QQ by any means, but lower level players are doing really well with these builds and taking games off top-tier players with consistency Incontrol is not a "top-tier player," and 4-3 is not "consistent." Complain about infestors somewhere else. | ||
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