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On August 15 2011 10:36 minisockey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:32 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:26 minisockey wrote:On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote:On August 15 2011 10:09 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf How am i wrong the entire time? Can you tell us how much of a better player you are than Destiny than? How is that imbalanced also, Infestors can be controlled very badly, as your own teammate Idra has shown, do you think he would have the same result as destiny if he uses infestors against huk? Even destiny has stated that infestors are a unit that have a high skill cap, you dont simply a move or studder step micro them. you have to be good with them. And about cannon rushing, give me a break lol. Why would you cannon rush if you want to show us great games, as you said? speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls  I am going to start showing more reserve! speaking from an outside view this guy clearly has something against incontrol and idra and probably eg as a whole which i dont understand because i think they are a great team. i didn't have the chance to watch all the games only the first one but from what i saw incontrol deffinitly wasn't playing his best and destiny was playing great. not saying who is better i would love to see more games between the two. destiny does have a particular strategy that i rather enjoyed watching on his stream him playing against huk and beating huk with this strat but huk did also win games against this strat so it is possible. balance wise infestors r good unit, they do take skill, i would rather have HT because arcons r good units 2. lolwut? I actually like Idra has a player, hes a great player but his bm is ridiculous, just look at vids of him a year ago, whos this nerd trying to be? be urself, be respectful to people, this is a video game, and Idra is trying to be some e-thug. As for incontrol, its the things he says, which i am pointing out, and all he can do is ignore them. You can start by watching the rest of the series, and not reply until you watched all games, as im sureyour attitude would change drastically. id love to see the rest of the games but idras bm is justified in many cases and i agree with nearly everytime i see it. who gives a crap if he no gg or no gl hf, i dont gg when i lose games because i beat myself or lose to something dumb. gg stands for GOOD GAME i dont considering losing to myself or something dumb a good game so why type it. If you watched the series idra owned him in the ipl i believe it was mana or who ever it was was playing a pathedic style that if i lost to i would bm the hell out of him as well. back to the current topic who cares if he cannon rush? its a strat, strat i dont agree with but its part of the race.
watch the games
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On August 15 2011 10:35 BLCabeldank wrote:
People say that the games were of low skill level, and to be honest, I slightly agree. But one cannot talk down the creativity of each players unique plays. Both players showed significant creativity in their play. Whether it was a creative 2 pronged attack which Destiny did, or a somewhat weird timing that iNcontrol hits, the play was not exactly "standard." PvZ is arguably the hardest matchup because of the creative use of infestors. Yeah "HT COUNTER INFESTOR BRO" but as Destiny showed, with ONE slip of the Protoss' micro, the Zerg can NP a HT and feedback at least one other HT before the Protoss would even notice unless they were STARING at the main screen while hovering of that specific HT. The play was most certainly not low masters. Most people who post, including myself, have no chance of competing with any professionals and have no right commenting on balance. I am not commenting on balance, I am merely repeating what I saw and also repeating what multiple players have stated.
While people badmouth iNcontrol and say he is "in a slump," you have to look at his previous commitments with NASL, SotG, and anything else he so willingly takes on. While those aren't excuses they are commitments. I know, well hope, that the players in the EG house will improve their skill level. iNcontrol, while not exactly the next protoss NesTea as of now, is undoubtedly is a great role model of mine, both for his good manner and his community outreach through GosuCoaching. I am a big fan of the podcasts iNcontrol does, and yes most of the members BM Destiny in a slight way, all the members respect him and iNcontrol has stated after every single time he BM's that he in no way hates Destiny and respects him as a member of the community, although they do have a few quarrels every now and then. Destiny and iNcontrol get along to some extent.
Destiny's fanbase, as misguided as some people are, is not 100% idiots. While yes some of them attempt to troll as hard as Destiny does (which is not possible), it does not mean all of them are trolls. I think it's great that people will follow Destiny over a bridge and through hell but belittling them does nothing except feed there need for attention. Destiny's, indisputably, is a creative player and has changed the ZvP meta game to some extent. I personally think this is fantastic because as in BW, it takes quite some time for the game to become "balanced."
P.S. This is from my point of view and I do not speak for either of these players, although I am a big fan of both regardless of what happens in the future, unless one of them quits...
Also, I may have missed a few points as this was my feeble attempt at multitasking but hopefully I got my point across...
this is exactly what im trying to say and i am excited to see what incontrol can do with more practice as he starts to get away from his casting responsibilities becasue early sc he was great, deffinitly droped with less time to practice and i believe he will get back to his great abilities in a couple of months. and destiny will continue to improve and i think if he can come up with more build orders he will become that much of a better player
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On August 15 2011 10:40 minisockey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:35 BLCabeldank wrote:
People say that the games were of low skill level, and to be honest, I slightly agree. But one cannot talk down the creativity of each players unique plays. Both players showed significant creativity in their play. Whether it was a creative 2 pronged attack which Destiny did, or a somewhat weird timing that iNcontrol hits, the play was not exactly "standard." PvZ is arguably the hardest matchup because of the creative use of infestors. Yeah "HT COUNTER INFESTOR BRO" but as Destiny showed, with ONE slip of the Protoss' micro, the Zerg can NP a HT and feedback at least one other HT before the Protoss would even notice unless they were STARING at the main screen while hovering of that specific HT. The play was most certainly not low masters. Most people who post, including myself, have no chance of competing with any professionals and have no right commenting on balance. I am not commenting on balance, I am merely repeating what I saw and also repeating what multiple players have stated.
While people badmouth iNcontrol and say he is "in a slump," you have to look at his previous commitments with NASL, SotG, and anything else he so willingly takes on. While those aren't excuses they are commitments. I know, well hope, that the players in the EG house will improve their skill level. iNcontrol, while not exactly the next protoss NesTea as of now, is undoubtedly is a great role model of mine, both for his good manner and his community outreach through GosuCoaching. I am a big fan of the podcasts iNcontrol does, and yes most of the members BM Destiny in a slight way, all the members respect him and iNcontrol has stated after every single time he BM's that he in no way hates Destiny and respects him as a member of the community, although they do have a few quarrels every now and then. Destiny and iNcontrol get along to some extent.
Destiny's fanbase, as misguided as some people are, is not 100% idiots. While yes some of them attempt to troll as hard as Destiny does (which is not possible), it does not mean all of them are trolls. I think it's great that people will follow Destiny over a bridge and through hell but belittling them does nothing except feed there need for attention. Destiny's, indisputably, is a creative player and has changed the ZvP meta game to some extent. I personally think this is fantastic because as in BW, it takes quite some time for the game to become "balanced."
P.S. This is from my point of view and I do not speak for either of these players, although I am a big fan of both regardless of what happens in the future, unless one of them quits...
Also, I may have missed a few points as this was my feeble attempt at multitasking but hopefully I got my point across... this is exactly what im trying to say and i am excited to see what incontrol can do with more practice as he starts to get away from his casting responsibilities becasue early sc he was great, deffinitly droped with less time to practice and i believe he will get back to his great abilities in a couple of months. and destiny will continue to improve and i think if he can come up with more build orders he will become that much of a better player
That's the point i'm trying to make in BW i loved iNcontrol he was a fantastic player because, from what I remember, he had very few responsibilities compared to what he has now.
And if Destiny differs his play and becomes more then 2 dimensional, I'm scared to see what he becomes because he does practice about 10 hours a day....
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On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf
Incontrol wins despite being a lesser player with great cannon play... see how that can be turned around?
infestors are part of the game just because you view them as cheesy and way too good (which I can't see how since destiny is the only zerg who goes this mass infestor style) doesn't mean that the wins he gets with the style are inferior. He's not a better player than Huk but he's not leagues below him.
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On August 15 2011 10:45 MattTBK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf Incontrol wins despite being a lesser player with great cannon play... see how that can be turned around? infestors are part of the game just because you view them as cheesy and way too good (which I can't see how since destiny is the only zerg who goes this mass infestor style) doesn't mean that the wins he gets with the style are inferior. He's not a better player than Huk but he's not leagues below him.
You must not play the zergs I do...
Every. Single. Fucking. Game. Mass. Infestor. Bullshit.
/rant
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On August 15 2011 10:52 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:45 MattTBK wrote:On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf Incontrol wins despite being a lesser player with great cannon play... see how that can be turned around? infestors are part of the game just because you view them as cheesy and way too good (which I can't see how since destiny is the only zerg who goes this mass infestor style) doesn't mean that the wins he gets with the style are inferior. He's not a better player than Huk but he's not leagues below him. You must not play the zergs I do... Every. Single. Fucking. Game. Mass. Infestor. Bullshit. /rant
I think he was mainly talking about the highest level of play, and while I do not know what league you are in, I THINK while not actually KNOWING that you are not at the highest level of play.
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aww yee so happy about the results!
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On August 15 2011 10:36 minisockey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:32 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:26 minisockey wrote:On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote:On August 15 2011 10:09 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf How am i wrong the entire time? Can you tell us how much of a better player you are than Destiny than? How is that imbalanced also, Infestors can be controlled very badly, as your own teammate Idra has shown, do you think he would have the same result as destiny if he uses infestors against huk? Even destiny has stated that infestors are a unit that have a high skill cap, you dont simply a move or studder step micro them. you have to be good with them. And about cannon rushing, give me a break lol. Why would you cannon rush if you want to show us great games, as you said? speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls I am going to start showing more reserve! speaking from an outside view this guy clearly has something against incontrol and idra and probably eg as a whole which i dont understand because i think they are a great team. i didn't have the chance to watch all the games only the first one but from what i saw incontrol deffinitly wasn't playing his best and destiny was playing great. not saying who is better i would love to see more games between the two. destiny does have a particular strategy that i rather enjoyed watching on his stream him playing against huk and beating huk with this strat but huk did also win games against this strat so it is possible. balance wise infestors r good unit, they do take skill, i would rather have HT because arcons r good units 2. lolwut? I actually like Idra has a player, hes a great player but his bm is ridiculous, just look at vids of him a year ago, whos this nerd trying to be? be urself, be respectful to people, this is a video game, and Idra is trying to be some e-thug. As for incontrol, its the things he says, which i am pointing out, and all he can do is ignore them. You can start by watching the rest of the series, and not reply until you watched all games, as im sureyour attitude would change drastically. id love to see the rest of the games but idras bm is justified in many cases and i agree with nearly everytime i see it. who gives a crap if he no gg or no gl hf, i dont gg when i lose games because i beat myself or lose to something dumb. gg stands for GOOD GAME i dont considering losing to myself or something dumb a good game so why type it. If you watched the series idra owned him in the ipl i believe it was mana or who ever it was was playing a pathedic style that if i lost to i would bm the hell out of him as well. back to the current topic who cares if he cannon rush? its a strat, strat i dont agree with but its part of the race.
wtf idra's bm is jutified in many cases, wtf is wrong with you
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so much drama in this thread!
incontrol and destiny, thanks for the games...big fan of both of you.
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On August 15 2011 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
speaking for me nvs. is a bad idea.. especially since you are being 100% baseless in your claim.
Downside however has full permission to speak for me because in his 1 post he fucking rocked it.
Oh ok, I'll just forget when you actually said that. 
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Go Destiny!
Don't know the casters very well though...
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On August 15 2011 11:33 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:36 minisockey wrote:On August 15 2011 10:32 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:26 minisockey wrote:On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote:On August 15 2011 10:09 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf How am i wrong the entire time? Can you tell us how much of a better player you are than Destiny than? How is that imbalanced also, Infestors can be controlled very badly, as your own teammate Idra has shown, do you think he would have the same result as destiny if he uses infestors against huk? Even destiny has stated that infestors are a unit that have a high skill cap, you dont simply a move or studder step micro them. you have to be good with them. And about cannon rushing, give me a break lol. Why would you cannon rush if you want to show us great games, as you said? speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls I am going to start showing more reserve! speaking from an outside view this guy clearly has something against incontrol and idra and probably eg as a whole which i dont understand because i think they are a great team. i didn't have the chance to watch all the games only the first one but from what i saw incontrol deffinitly wasn't playing his best and destiny was playing great. not saying who is better i would love to see more games between the two. destiny does have a particular strategy that i rather enjoyed watching on his stream him playing against huk and beating huk with this strat but huk did also win games against this strat so it is possible. balance wise infestors r good unit, they do take skill, i would rather have HT because arcons r good units 2. lolwut? I actually like Idra has a player, hes a great player but his bm is ridiculous, just look at vids of him a year ago, whos this nerd trying to be? be urself, be respectful to people, this is a video game, and Idra is trying to be some e-thug. As for incontrol, its the things he says, which i am pointing out, and all he can do is ignore them. You can start by watching the rest of the series, and not reply until you watched all games, as im sureyour attitude would change drastically. id love to see the rest of the games but idras bm is justified in many cases and i agree with nearly everytime i see it. who gives a crap if he no gg or no gl hf, i dont gg when i lose games because i beat myself or lose to something dumb. gg stands for GOOD GAME i dont considering losing to myself or something dumb a good game so why type it. If you watched the series idra owned him in the ipl i believe it was mana or who ever it was was playing a pathedic style that if i lost to i would bm the hell out of him as well. back to the current topic who cares if he cannon rush? its a strat, strat i dont agree with but its part of the race. wtf idra's bm is jutified in many cases, wtf is wrong with you
isnt the right thread to be discussing idra considering this is about destiny vs incontrol but thats my personal opinion on every game i have witnessed he behaves correctly
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On August 15 2011 11:33 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:36 minisockey wrote:On August 15 2011 10:32 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:26 minisockey wrote:On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote:On August 15 2011 10:09 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf How am i wrong the entire time? Can you tell us how much of a better player you are than Destiny than? How is that imbalanced also, Infestors can be controlled very badly, as your own teammate Idra has shown, do you think he would have the same result as destiny if he uses infestors against huk? Even destiny has stated that infestors are a unit that have a high skill cap, you dont simply a move or studder step micro them. you have to be good with them. And about cannon rushing, give me a break lol. Why would you cannon rush if you want to show us great games, as you said? speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls I am going to start showing more reserve! speaking from an outside view this guy clearly has something against incontrol and idra and probably eg as a whole which i dont understand because i think they are a great team. i didn't have the chance to watch all the games only the first one but from what i saw incontrol deffinitly wasn't playing his best and destiny was playing great. not saying who is better i would love to see more games between the two. destiny does have a particular strategy that i rather enjoyed watching on his stream him playing against huk and beating huk with this strat but huk did also win games against this strat so it is possible. balance wise infestors r good unit, they do take skill, i would rather have HT because arcons r good units 2. lolwut? I actually like Idra has a player, hes a great player but his bm is ridiculous, just look at vids of him a year ago, whos this nerd trying to be? be urself, be respectful to people, this is a video game, and Idra is trying to be some e-thug. As for incontrol, its the things he says, which i am pointing out, and all he can do is ignore them. You can start by watching the rest of the series, and not reply until you watched all games, as im sureyour attitude would change drastically. id love to see the rest of the games but idras bm is justified in many cases and i agree with nearly everytime i see it. who gives a crap if he no gg or no gl hf, i dont gg when i lose games because i beat myself or lose to something dumb. gg stands for GOOD GAME i dont considering losing to myself or something dumb a good game so why type it. If you watched the series idra owned him in the ipl i believe it was mana or who ever it was was playing a pathedic style that if i lost to i would bm the hell out of him as well. back to the current topic who cares if he cannon rush? its a strat, strat i dont agree with but its part of the race. wtf idra's bm is jutified in many cases, wtf is wrong with you
Making sense of retarded fanboyism. It can kill you.
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On August 15 2011 10:17 BlueHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote:On August 15 2011 10:09 BlueHydra wrote:On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong?
And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf How am i wrong the entire time? Can you tell us how much of a better player you are than Destiny than? How is that imbalanced also, Infestors can be controlled very badly, as your own teammate Idra has shown, do you think he would have the same result as destiny if he uses infestors against huk? Even destiny has stated that infestors are a unit that have a high skill cap, you dont simply a move or studder step micro them. you have to be good with them. And about cannon rushing, give me a break lol. Why would you cannon rush if you want to show us great games, as you said? speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls I am going to start showing more reserve! Right, just ignore it because you cant say anything.
The last refuge of the internet warrior; claiming you've won when people give up trying to explain how fucking wrong you are.
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The VODs up yet? Missed it and would like to watch them.
--I got bored after the first 26 pages and missed the link on the last page, lol.
Good series by both!
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I think we all should group hug and let the hate fly away <3
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replays are up just look up a bit on this page
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Thank you
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