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You ever actually read the chat that goes on in Destiny's stream?
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On August 15 2011 07:28 epicopter wrote:You ever actually read the chat that goes on in Destiny's stream?
The chat in EVERY video game related stream is the same, so it's a pretty useless thing to bring up
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On August 15 2011 07:19 thehitman wrote:
Man incontrol is way too weak. I mean I was kind of expecting weak results from him, since he doesn't seem to have much practice and even talent to be good.
Not that destiny is weak, but damn he goes mass infestor every game, just build mass HT's and feedback and you win.
It's the roaches, man. Toss doesn't really have a great comp vs Roach Infestor, so it comes down to micro.
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On August 15 2011 07:30 SentinelSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:28 epicopter wrote:You ever actually read the chat that goes on in Destiny's stream? The chat in EVERY video game related stream is the same, so it's a pretty useless thing to bring up
I'm pretty sure it's at least 20 times worse on Destiny's stream, even the mods last night were like "EZ" "RAPED" "INCHOLESTEROL" etc...
At least mods in other channels keep some semblance of order instead of just being as bad as the people they should be controlling.
I enjoyed watching the match, I thought they both played well and had some bad games. I watched both from destiny's point of view and the cast but the Destiny fans in both channels were ridiculous.
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On August 15 2011 07:38 epicopter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:30 SentinelSC2 wrote:On August 15 2011 07:28 epicopter wrote:You ever actually read the chat that goes on in Destiny's stream? The chat in EVERY video game related stream is the same, so it's a pretty useless thing to bring up I'm pretty sure it's at least 20 times worse on Destiny's stream, even the mods last night were like "EZ" "RAPED" "INCHOLESTEROL" etc... At least mods in other channels keep some semblance of order instead of just being as bad as the people they should be controlling. I enjoyed watching the match, I thought they both played well and had some bad games. I watched both from destiny's point of view and the cast but the Destiny fans in both channels were ridiculous.
Wait... you're complaining about a CHAT? Not even in-game chat?
Those are the cesspool of interaction regardless of stream to varying degrees. Just let it go. =)
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I wish Geoff wouldn't let the negativity of a vocal few deter him from the rematch, but I understand how it can. Geoff always says he needs to work on not giving the illogical haters as much notice as he does, continuing through with the next showmatch would be a step in that direction, just saying. Either way, goodluck to both players in the future.
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On August 15 2011 07:40 Downside wrote:
I wish Geoff wouldn't let the negativity of a vocal few deter him from the rematch, but I understand how it can. Geoff always says he needs to work on not giving the illogical haters as much notice as he does, continuing through with the next showmatch would be a step in that direction, just saying. Either way, goodluck to both players in the future.
I don't think this could have been put better. They both played exceptionally and I don't see why anyone would choose to take that away from either competitor.
Really impressed with the production quality that the Stim.TV guys put into the show match. Casting was a little weak at times but overall it was enjoyable.
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It was nice showmatch. Closer than i thought.
Also iNcontroL is like the most mannered player.
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Its funny to see how many anti-Destiny fans are being more BM than his fans. Its quite clear who supports him and who doesn't, more funny to see that his fans speak with calm intelligent words lacking in profanity where his haters are cursing all over the place.
I am a fan of Destiny because of his personality and his views on things inside and outside of starcraft. Yes the BM is funny sometimes, and sometimes he is just trolling because he got rocked by something he did prepare for, but for you to say the only reason for people enjoying Destiny is the BM has no real foundation.
As others have said, he has improved leaps and BOUNDS from when he was just complaining about imbalance because he wasn't good enough to think outside of the box. Now that he uses infestors as the backbone of his army he is considered as an abuser, where people dont complain about Protoss going sentries every game, or many terran's going bio with Medics every game. If you dont like infestors dont build them, if you have a hard time playing against infestor heavy play, go build some HT or phoenix, or ghosts. Think of your own counter! Blink on top of them with stalkers. Dont just complain about a strategy because its hard for YOU to beat, be the next starter of a metagame shift.
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On August 15 2011 07:40 Downside wrote:
I wish Geoff wouldn't let the negativity of a vocal few deter him from the rematch, but I understand how it can. Geoff always says he needs to work on not giving the illogical haters as much notice as he does, continuing through with the next showmatch would be a step in that direction, just saying. Either way, goodluck to both players in the future.
People hate him because he talks down on Destiny and has accomplished nothing special. The games showed low masters level pvz. The only wins were poorly executed timings trying to blind counter a build.
The worst part is how infestor imbalance was brought up after all of this in the interview and how terrible terrible biased and uninformed the casters were. Imbalance should never be discussed over such bad games with opinions on things like BFH coming from a gold terran.
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On August 15 2011 08:08 Swad1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:40 Downside wrote:
I wish Geoff wouldn't let the negativity of a vocal few deter him from the rematch, but I understand how it can. Geoff always says he needs to work on not giving the illogical haters as much notice as he does, continuing through with the next showmatch would be a step in that direction, just saying. Either way, goodluck to both players in the future. People hate him because he talks down on Destiny and has accomplished nothing special. The games showed low masters level pvz. The only wins were poorly executed timings trying to blind counter a build. The worst part is how infestor imbalance was brought up after all of this in the interview and how terrible terrible biased and uninformed the casters were. Imbalance should never be discussed over such bad games with opinions on things like BFH coming from a gold terran. Come on, i don't say their play was stellar, but low masters are pretty bad. I'm mid master and I suck really hard too. You can't compare those.
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Thankfully the people discussing afterwards don't have the ear of anybody significant at Blizzard. They didn't seem like the most informed people when it comes to the game. I'm not just talking about their individual skill levels - you don't have to be a high level grandmasters player to have a good understanding of the game.
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On August 15 2011 08:08 Swad1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:40 Downside wrote:
I wish Geoff wouldn't let the negativity of a vocal few deter him from the rematch, but I understand how it can. Geoff always says he needs to work on not giving the illogical haters as much notice as he does, continuing through with the next showmatch would be a step in that direction, just saying. Either way, goodluck to both players in the future. People hate him because he talks down on Destiny and has accomplished nothing special. The games showed low masters level pvz. The only wins were poorly executed timings trying to blind counter a build.
This is the area where I think so many people are misguided. Incontrol doesn't go out of his way to let the community know of his criticisms of any player. However he is a member on two separate community podcasts in which he is asked to critique of players. He is just doing his part as a member of the podcast. People do not hold critics to a standard where they must be equivalent or greater than those they critique. Do you think Roger Ebert thinks himself a better director than that of those who's movies he bashes? Do you think those who read his criticisms believe that? No of course not, people understand the role of a critic. In this case however Incontrol is a player who is actively attempting to be the best he can, and at the same time providing his thoughts as a critic on these podcasts. This leads people to this misguided blending of the two, they think because he is a player that when he critiques it comes from a place of superiority. His roles as a player and critic are separate, people should not link them. If a critic were never allowed to critique those better than them the greats would never be held accountable for their mistakes or flaws.
If you dislike his views as a critic, combat his arguements to him as a critic, not as a player.
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His roles as a player and critic are separate, people should not link them
This is fine, except he himself considers them linked, which is why he is able to justify his criticisms of others, but deny any spectator criticism of himself.
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speaking for me nvs. is a bad idea.. especially since you are being 100% baseless in your claim.
Downside however has full permission to speak for me because in his 1 post he fucking rocked it.
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wait why was the OP warned for the post?
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On August 15 2011 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
speaking for me nvs. is a bad idea.. especially since you are being 100% baseless in your claim.
Downside however has full permission to speak for me because in his 1 post he fucking rocked it.
So you agree with the fact that we should just call you out on your criticisms? How about on Sotg when you said destiny's playstyle wasn't a problem for you? trololol
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On August 15 2011 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
speaking for me nvs. is a bad idea.. especially since you are being 100% baseless in your claim.
Downside however has full permission to speak for me because in his 1 post he fucking rocked it.
Well thank you sir.
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On August 15 2011 08:33 Downside wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 08:08 Swad1000 wrote:On August 15 2011 07:40 Downside wrote:
I wish Geoff wouldn't let the negativity of a vocal few deter him from the rematch, but I understand how it can. Geoff always says he needs to work on not giving the illogical haters as much notice as he does, continuing through with the next showmatch would be a step in that direction, just saying. Either way, goodluck to both players in the future. People hate him because he talks down on Destiny and has accomplished nothing special. The games showed low masters level pvz. The only wins were poorly executed timings trying to blind counter a build. This is the area where I think so many people are misguided. Incontrol doesn't go out of his way to let the community know of his criticisms of any player. However he is a member on two separate community podcasts in which he is asked to critique of players. He is just doing his part as a member of the podcast. People do not hold critics to a standard where they must be equivalent or greater than those they critique. Do you think Roger Ebert thinks himself a better director than that of those who's movies he bashes? Do you think those who read his criticisms believe that? No of course not, people understand the role of a critic. In this case however Incontrol is a player who is actively attempting to be the best he can, and at the same time providing his thoughts as a critic on these podcasts. This leads people to this misguided blending of the two, they think because he is a player that when he critiques it comes from a place of superiority. His roles as a player and critic are separate, people should not link them. If a critic were never allowed to critique those better than them the greats would never be held accountable for their mistakes or flaws. If you dislike his views as a critic, combat his arguements to him as a critic, not as a player.
If you read the posts in this thread, people were critical of both his gameplay in this bo7 AND his opinions on ITG. Of course Destiny's fans are not exactly delighted when Incontrol said Huk is 6-7 times better than him, an opinion that not even Huk himself shares considering he said Destiny was really good. As for his gameplay, it was quite obvious in the macro games that he had no answers to infestors and showed some lackluster play. Whether he was just "trying new things" or not is completely irrelevant to the fact that people are allowed to criticize, they're allowed to have opinions. If the opinions are inappropriate the mods deal with them. It's completely unreasonable to call everyone who has negative opinions/criticisms of Incontrol as either a personality or player a "hater" which is the direction that he and his fans are taking in this thread.
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