EPTStim.TV Showmatch: EG.iNcontroL vs. Destiny - Page 31
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minisockey
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 09:39 MattTBK wrote: So you agree with the fact that we should just call you out on your criticisms? How about on Sotg when you said destiny's playstyle wasn't a problem for you? trololol Yup, even on reddit in the post he made where people could ask him questions, he said he never had trouble with destinys style and a turtle playstyle works. Yet, he didnt do this and could only cheese his way to win (cannon rushing? come on, especially when you try it more than once, it shows you are inferior to your opponent and cant win a normal game....and you said you wanted to show good games? who wants to see cannon rushes.. ). Lets be serious here, if incontrol was a good player, he wouldn't have a problem with beating destiny, since he has repeatedly said that destiny is not a good player, critique or not because he makes himself look like a great player. Infestors will not make a bad player beat a 'pro' gamer on a team like EG, even though we all know EG isnt a top foreign team in skill, but still. Although i think Destiny is an underrated player, good protosses can still beat him, he isnt unstoppable, because of infestors, like people are claiming (huk is an example). Destiny is a very, very smart player, and it seems that he will only get credit for his skill when he places well at a mlg, which is unfortunate because he has shown how good he can be several times. The IPL tourny was at an early stage in his build, im sure that he would beat axslav if they were to play again. At mlg he lost to terran timing pushes, doesnt mean that hes a bad player, all zergs lose to them, he just needs to work on his early TvZ more. InControl has continuously hated on destiny, even this past week on inside the game, he said huk was 4x better than him, so what is destiny, 10 x better than incontrol? because every macro game that was played, incontrol got rolled. this is not because of the infestor, at all. just watch the games, in game 2, destinys burrow roach micro was insane and amazing to see. Keeping your HTS in an open area unguarded and having one NP'd to Feedback 2 other of your HT's is not blamed on balance. Give me a break, then he claims that he was just trying new build, and repeatedly throughout the stream kept saying 'trying to make this work!' LOfuckingL what a joke. Trying to make archon zealot work against what? Cannon rushing work against what? mass roach? Just watch game 2, that alone will show you how much better of a player destiny is than incontrol, and im not being a fanboy, because im not, im saying it how it is. This is why people are hating on incontrol, and rightfully so, instead of congratulating his opponent, he mentions how infestors are op, and how hes trying a new strategy. Also says that nobody knows how to beat infestors PvZ, when Ps have a unit that is a counter to infestors. If destiny makes 20 infestors, why not make 20 high templars? 20 infestors are useless after feedback(can also be killed) meanwhile high templars can just become archons, one of the most powerful units PvZ.Not to mention, 20 high templars with storm is a very powerful, scary thing for a zerg. He got completely outplayed and has never been good, destiny is a better player than you incontrol, yet you will not admit it, and blame how you try new things, give the sc2 communtiy a break. People need to stop hating on Destiny and the success that he has had recently, his build is after all, his build and he is a creative player in that aspect, an aspect which MANY pro gamers do not have. Can someone point me to any pro player that has better infestor micro than Destiny? Nobody does, Destiny is a beast with infestors, and that is a skill hes gained. As he continues to improve his mechanics, he will surpass zergs like Idra, especially since Idras micro is terrible, all he does is whine about balance, and is not creative at all, , his macro is what makes him great, but that's a whole nother discussion. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
"hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong? And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf | ||
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote: It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O "hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong? And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf How am i wrong the entire time? Can you tell us how much of a better player you are than Destiny then? How is that imbalanced also, Infestors can be controlled very badly, as your own teammate Idra has shown, do you think he would have the same result as destiny if he uses infestors against huk? Even destiny has stated that infestors are a unit that have a high skill cap, you dont simply a move or studder step micro them. you have to be good with them. And about cannon rushing, give me a break lol. Why would you cannon rush if you want to show us great games, as you said? | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
The one "who shall not be named" is a top10 grandmaster. You dont always have to go the gateway tech route. Its a strategy if it works it works. You may not win a tournament ever, you can top4, but how far can it really take you but youll be able to take off those games. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:09 BlueHydra wrote: How am i wrong the entire time? Can you tell us how much of a better player you are than Destiny than? How is that imbalanced also, Infestors can be controlled very badly, as your own teammate Idra has shown, do you think he would have the same result as destiny if he uses infestors against huk? Even destiny has stated that infestors are a unit that have a high skill cap, you dont simply a move or studder step micro them. you have to be good with them. And about cannon rushing, give me a break lol. Why would you cannon rush if you want to show us great games, as you said? speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls  I am going to start showing more reserve! | ||
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote: speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls I am going to start showing more reserve!Right, just ignore it because you cant say anything. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
 There is a reason you make a new account each time you attack me or someone else on this forum.. | ||
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diarsenic
United States385 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote: speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls I am going to start showing more reserve!He clearly is the troll when he writes 5 times more than you and has a decent argument, while you just ignore him. Makes sense. | ||
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote: believe what you want bud There is a reason you make a new account each time you attack me or someone else on this forum.. Im not attacking you, and i dont make new accounts each time i want 'attack someone'. I dont remember the past account i had, so i made this one. Instead of saying stuff to get away from what i said, you can contribute more to the conversation by replying to what i said and not go around it. | ||
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:22 diarsenic wrote: He clearly is the troll when he writes 5 times more than you and has a decent argument, while you just ignore him. Makes sense. exactly lol | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
you call me a scared inferior player for cannon rushing when that is literally done by every single protoss player at the highest of levels to the lowest of levels.. you are LITERALLY just saying X = bad and attaching it to my name over and over again. You misquote what I said about huk and then go off on some horrid interpretation and start applying REALLY bad/random math to an already arbitrary figure and in doing so continue to misunderstand what I was saying entirely. Then you make 2-3 more paragraphs going on and on about why people are correct to flame/hate on me and why I am a bad player.. but the funniest part of it all is you ask for a fucking response AND I GIVE IT damn it sometimes I am almost as stupid as idiot trolls like you say. But certainly not in the way you think.. just in that I actually give you the time of day. | ||
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minisockey
99 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:15 iNcontroL wrote: speaking with you any further would be feeding the trolls I am going to start showing more reserve!speaking from an outside view this guy clearly has something against incontrol and idra and probably eg as a whole which i dont understand because i think they are a great team. i didn't have the chance to watch all the games only the first one but from what i saw incontrol deffinitly wasn't playing his best and destiny was playing great. not saying who is better i would love to see more games between the two. destiny does have a particular strategy that i rather enjoyed watching on his stream him playing against huk and beating huk with this strat but huk did also win games against this strat so it is possible. balance wise infestors r good unit, they do take skill, i would rather have HT because arcons r good units 2. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote: It's odd to make a post that large and be wrong the entire time o_O "hating on destiny" by calling the HMC / Dreamhack champion Huk a better player by 4 to 5 times (completely arbitrary). Context was that Destiny wins despite being a lesser player with great infester play... not sure how that statement gets people so confused. You want to argue Destiny is about Huk's level? Do you? Then what about my statement is wrong? And in general your assessment of my skill is based on silver level logic... not really going to address it. Cannon rushing does not equate "fear" or being a lesser player wtf Then why use these arbitrary multipliers to describe Destiny's skill level relative to Huk's? Most people including his fans would agree that Huk is the better overall player and if you had said that it would be fine, but to describe it as 6-7 times better is just ridiculous. No one is going to look at those numbers and derive ulterior meanings of the form that you just described. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:02 BlueHydra wrote: Yup, even on reddit in the post he made where people could ask him questions, he said he never had trouble with destinys style and a turtle playstyle works. Yet, he didnt do this and could only cheese his way to win (cannon rushing? come on, especially when you try it more than once, it shows you are inferior to your opponent and cant win a normal game....and you said you wanted to show good games? who wants to see cannon rushes.. ). Lets be serious here, if incontrol was a good player, he wouldn't have a problem with beating destiny, since he has repeatedly said that destiny is not a good player, critique or not because he makes himself look like a great player. Infestors will not make a bad player beat a 'pro' gamer on a team like EG, even though we all know EG isnt a top foreign team in skill, but still. Although i think Destiny is an underrated player, good protosses can still beat him, he isnt unstoppable, because of infestors, like people are claiming (huk is an example). Destiny is a very, very smart player, and it seems that he will only get credit for his skill when he places well at a mlg, which is unfortunate because he has shown how good he can be several times. The IPL tourny was at an early stage in his build, im sure that he would beat axslav if they were to play again. At mlg he lost to terran timing pushes, doesnt mean that hes a bad player, all zergs lose to them, he just needs to work on his early TvZ more. InControl has continuously hated on destiny, even this past week on inside the game, he said huk was 4x better than him, so what is destiny, 10 x better than incontrol? because every macro game that was played, incontrol got rolled. this is not because of the infestor, at all. just watch the games, in game 2, destinys burrow roach micro was insane and amazing to see. Keeping your HTS in an open area unguarded and having one NP'd to Feedback 2 other of your HT's is not blamed on balance. Give me a break, then he claims that he was just trying new build, and repeatedly throughout the stream kept saying 'trying to make this work!' LOfuckingL what a joke. Trying to make archon zealot work against what? Cannon rushing work against what? mass roach? Just watch game 2, that alone will show you how much better of a player destiny is than incontrol, and im not being a fanboy, because im not, im saying it how it is. This is why people are hating on incontrol, and rightfully so, instead of congratulating his opponent, he mentions how infestors are op, and how hes trying a new strategy. Also says that nobody knows how to beat infestors PvZ, when Ps have a unit that is a counter to infestors. If destiny makes 20 infestors, why not make 20 high templars? 20 infestors are useless after feedback(can also be killed) meanwhile high templars can just become archons, one of the most powerful units PvZ.Not to mention, 20 high templars with storm is a very powerful, scary thing for a zerg. He got completely outplayed and has never been good, destiny is a better player than you incontrol, yet you will not admit it, and blame how you try new things, give the sc2 communtiy a break. People need to stop hating on Destiny and the success that he has had recently, his build is after all, his build and he is a creative player in that aspect, an aspect which MANY pro gamers do not have. Can someone point me to any pro player that has better infestor micro than Destiny? Nobody does, Destiny is a beast with infestors, and that is a skill hes gained. As he continues to improve his mechanics, he will surpass zergs like Idra, especially since Idras micro is terrible, all he does is whine about balance, and is not creative at all, , his macro is what makes him great, but that's a whole nother discussion. Ok it's nice and very fun(I guess) to Write gigantic essays theory crafting and shitting on decent players but maybe you should try to do something else like uhm...... Get off that moral high horse saddle, take a cab back to earth, open up a pc and realize how shit you are in comparison to the players you are calling bad. Seriously you are making destiny out to be the next jaedong when he has been eliminated in the 2nd round of mlg's open bracket, twice. Oh btw morrow/dimaga/stephano are all better at controlling their infestors. | ||
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:26 iNcontroL wrote: you are 8 posts into an account and you've already been temp banned. you call me a scared inferior player for cannon rushing when that is literally done by every single protoss player at the highest of levels to the lowest of levels.. you are LITERALLY just saying X = bad and attaching it to my name over and over again. You misquote what I said about huk and then go off on some horrid interpretation and start applying REALLY bad/random math to an already arbitrary figure and in doing so continue to misunderstand what I was saying entirely. Then you make 2-3 more paragraphs going on and on about why people are correct to flame/hate on me and why I am a bad player.. but the funniest part of it all is you ask for a fucking response AND I GIVE IT damn it sometimes I am almost as stupid as idiot trolls like you say. But certainly not in the way you think.. just in that I actually give you the time of day. I was banned for telling the community how much of an idiot your own teammate is, Idra, for saying 'fuck you' to Mana after losing to him. That is so childish and disrespectful its not even funny. You keep bringing up my account, why dont you ignore my account for a second and respond to what i actually had to say? So cannon rushing is done by every single player? Really? how many games did you cannon rush? can you point me to a pro that cannon rushed as many times as you did, in a bo7? the rest of what you wrote is just trying to ignore what i actually said, which is pretty funny. Why dont you point out every single thing i said, and provide some response to it, instead of ignoring 95% of what i wrtoe and only replying to LOLWUT CANNON RUSHING IS DONE BY EVERYONEZ! | ||
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:26 minisockey wrote: speaking from an outside view this guy clearly has something against incontrol and idra and probably eg as a whole which i dont understand because i think they are a great team. i didn't have the chance to watch all the games only the first one but from what i saw incontrol deffinitly wasn't playing his best and destiny was playing great. not saying who is better i would love to see more games between the two. destiny does have a particular strategy that i rather enjoyed watching on his stream him playing against huk and beating huk with this strat but huk did also win games against this strat so it is possible. balance wise infestors r good unit, they do take skill, i would rather have HT because arcons r good units 2. lolwut? I actually like Idra has a player, hes a great player but his bm is ridiculous, just look at vids of him a year ago, whos this nerd trying to be? be urself, be respectful to people, this is a video game, and Idra is trying to be some e-thug. As for incontrol, its the things he says, which i am pointing out, and all he can do is ignore them. You can start by watching the rest of the series, and not reply until you watched all games, as im sureyour attitude would change drastically. | ||
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BlueHydra
21 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:29 sekritzzz wrote: Ok it's nice and very fun(I guess) to Write gigantic essays theory crafting and shitting on decent players but maybe you should try to do something else like uhm...... Get off that moral high horse saddle, take a cab back to earth, open up a pc and realize how shit you are in comparison to the players you are calling bad. Seriously you are making destiny out to be the next jaedong when he has been eliminated in the 2nd round of mlg's open bracket, twice. Oh btw morrow/dimaga/stephano are all better at controlling their infestors. Morrow dimaga and stephano are all better players than destiny, i am not sure if their infestor micro is better, however, but thats irrelevant to my whole argument as this is between incontrol and destiny. if i have to get off my high horse bla bla bla, why is it that incontrol can call every player bad? he even talked all this shit about ostojoy or however u spell his name, just because he isnt known when he went on to the invitational and showed he is a great player, who has more skill than a player like incontrol, | ||
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BLCabeldank
United States99 Posts
While people badmouth iNcontrol and say he is "in a slump," you have to look at his previous commitments with NASL, SotG, and anything else he so willingly takes on. While those aren't excuses they are commitments. I know, well hope, that the players in the EG house will improve their skill level. iNcontrol, while not exactly the next protoss NesTea as of now, is undoubtedly is a great role model of mine, both for his good manner and his community outreach through GosuCoaching. I am a big fan of the podcasts iNcontrol does, and yes most of the members BM Destiny in a slight way, all the members respect him and iNcontrol has stated after every single time he BM's that he in no way hates Destiny and respects him as a member of the community, although they do have a few quarrels every now and then. Destiny and iNcontrol get along to some extent. Destiny's fanbase, as misguided as some people are, is not 100% idiots. While yes some of them attempt to troll as hard as Destiny does (which is not possible), it does not mean all of them are trolls. I think it's great that people will follow Destiny over a bridge and through hell but belittling them does nothing except feed there need for attention. Destiny's, indisputably, is a creative player and has changed the ZvP meta game to some extent. I personally think this is fantastic because as in BW, it takes quite some time for the game to become "balanced." P.S. This is from my point of view and I do not speak for either of these players, although I am a big fan of both regardless of what happens in the future, unless one of them quits... Also, I may have missed a few points as this was my feeble attempt at multitasking but hopefully I got my point across... | ||
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minisockey
99 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:32 BlueHydra wrote: lolwut? I actually like Idra has a player, hes a great player but his bm is ridiculous, just look at vids of him a year ago, whos this nerd trying to be? be urself, be respectful to people, this is a video game, and Idra is trying to be some e-thug. As for incontrol, its the things he says, which i am pointing out, and all he can do is ignore them. You can start by watching the rest of the series, and not reply until you watched all games, as im sureyour attitude would change drastically. id love to see the rest of the games but idras bm is justified in many cases and i agree with nearly everytime i see it. who gives a crap if he no gg or no gl hf, i dont gg when i lose games because i beat myself or lose to something dumb. gg stands for GOOD GAME i dont considering losing to myself or something dumb a good game so why type it. If you watched the series idra owned him in the ipl i believe it was mana or who ever it was was playing a pathedic style that if i lost to i would bm the hell out of him as well. back to the current topic who cares if he cannon rush? its a strat, strat i dont agree with but its part of the race. | ||
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