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Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
August 10 2011 14:29 GMT
#6241
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.



jinro you gotta be the hero again soon! i remember i saw the hero video!
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
August 10 2011 14:30 GMT
#6242
today´s results plus Fenix´s from yesterday: foreigners went 1-10 overall X(

a true disaster for trying to close the gap between Korea and the rest. I´m sure Koreans are gonna be pissed that a lot of promising code B guys were left out so that foreigners could be walkovers in code A.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 14:31:04
August 10 2011 14:30 GMT
#6243
On August 10 2011 23:29 Xercen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.



jinro you gotta be the hero again soon! i remember i saw the hero video!


Too late, Liquid already has a Hero
HesitatioN
Profile Joined January 2011
United States148 Posts
August 10 2011 14:31 GMT
#6244
sucks that everyone lost but hopefully they will train hard in korea and do better next time!
foreigners fighting!
She doesn't wear any wings
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 14:36:31
August 10 2011 14:32 GMT
#6245
On August 10 2011 21:25 sereniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 19:03 ineq wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:50 ineq wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:
[quote]

It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"


might need idra to come back :D


Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now.


Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency

crazy foo

Are you seriously retarded?

IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea

My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B

I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;

IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way.

He qualified for the first seasons though


Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments.

IdrA doesnt deserve too much hype, but he doesnt deserve too much hate either - he has had very solid showings at the MLGs even though he didnt win... He just has those stupid games where he kills himself or "very solid" might have been "very impressive".


I'll put it like this; in my opinion you should get recognized because you are super good, like Beckham, Zlatan, Yourself or Sen. Not because you're rude to people.

I simply don't understand why he's so popular, when he does not have particularly good results along with a "bad" attitude.


No offense to Jinro but would you seriously call Jinro better than IdrA? I mean they're different races but ATLEAST in the current state I can't see you ranking Jinro above IdrA?

And no, I don't hate Jinro, in fact I love him ...


I'm not sure, Jinro has had a tough time lately, but he's been facing far superior opponents compared to IdrA aswell, and from what i can tell, Jinro is getting back on the horse as of late, looking much more impressive than a few months ago.

Edit; two months ago i would have said IdrA no question, but it's starting to turn around i think and hope.
HerO - iNcontroL - DeMusliM - TaeJa - JaeDong
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 10 2011 14:32 GMT
#6246
On August 10 2011 23:27 butchji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 23:20 Yaotzin wrote:
On August 10 2011 23:04 butchji wrote:
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.


Missing a supply depot - playing far from perfectly x)

Supply blocking is unbelievably brutal in Starcraft :0

There are also all those tiny little things that people don't even notice, like making marines 0.25 seconds late here, losing 2 marines with a mismicro there. Such things add up into "how the fuck did MC/MVP/whoever have so much stuff!"


I know but you would be surprised how many depots and other stuff a player like MVP misses. You can analyze this very well by watching replays. No idea why someone as for example IdrA says he doesn't need to train his mechanics and just needs to focus on strategies etc because mechanics are so easy in SC2. I know it's ALOT easier than BroodWar but yet when you watch a replay you notice endless stuff they could improve on (larvae inject is far from perfect etc).

Yep at the start they're really good and refined but as soon as anything actually starts happening even the best of them start slipping - even if just a little. SC2 snowballs so fast though that even tiny little mistakes add up so quickly into a roflstomp.
Sockpuppet
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
119 Posts
August 10 2011 14:37 GMT
#6247
Wow, foreigners did awful. Im not gonna lie i saw this coming. Im just confused why everyone thought of them so highly.
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
August 10 2011 14:38 GMT
#6248
On August 10 2011 23:32 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 21:25 sereniity wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:03 ineq wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:50 ineq wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
[quote]

might need idra to come back :D


Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now.


Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency

crazy foo

Are you seriously retarded?

IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea

My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B

I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;

IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way.

He qualified for the first seasons though


Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments.

IdrA doesnt deserve too much hype, but he doesnt deserve too much hate either - he has had very solid showings at the MLGs even though he didnt win... He just has those stupid games where he kills himself or "very solid" might have been "very impressive".


I'll put it like this; in my opinion you should get recognized because you are super good, like Beckham, Zlatan, Yourself or Sen. Not because you're rude to people.

I simply don't understand why he's so popular, when he does not have particularly good results along with a "bad" attitude.


No offense to Jinro but would you seriously call Jinro better than IdrA? I mean they're different races but ATLEAST in the current state I can't see you ranking Jinro above IdrA?

And no, I don't hate Jinro, in fact I love him ...


I'm not sure, Jinro has had a tough time lately, but he's been facing far superior opponents compared to IdrA aswell, and from what i can tell, Jinro is getting back on the horse as of late, looking much more impressive than a few months ago.



it's hard to tell who is better but considering that even check, a zerg who isn't exactly well renowned for his skill 2-0 naniwa, the best eu protoss, is quite shocking.

it just goes to show that jinro isn't posting results atm because the level of competition is just staggering. maybe it's his playstyle but form is fleeting but class is permanent...and jinro got to ro4 gsl before so his class is not in dispute. he just needs to recover form, maybe changing starts...dropping more or whatever.

Blizzard_torments_me
Profile Joined February 2010
Romania199 Posts
August 10 2011 14:38 GMT
#6249
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.


I get where you're comming from Jinro, but that's something really minor. The fact that Terrans need perfect play while zerg can just A move and not even care about the slighest bit of micro just saddens me. I don't know, I watched your games, you played well, but terran is like that, really unforgiving, while I've seen zergs do horrible mistakes and still come back. I'd really like to get your opinion on this. Thx.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 14:45:29
August 10 2011 14:45 GMT
#6250
On August 10 2011 23:38 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.


I get where you're comming from Jinro, but that's something really minor. The fact that Terrans need perfect play while zerg can just A move and not even care about the slighest bit of micro just saddens me. I don't know, I watched your games, you played well, but terran is like that, really unforgiving, while I've seen zergs do horrible mistakes and still come back. I'd really like to get your opinion on this. Thx.

Your logic toward play is completely flawed. Jinro pointed out mistakes he saw in himself. There are many others that can be found in those games dood. You must understand that at that level of play, a missed depot, building rax's late decide whether you go 2-0 or 0-2 amongst other things. No, Terran doesn't need to play perfectly to compete in TvZ, that's arrogance on your part, not the state of the game. Jinro played well, his opponent played better. Get over it and stop whining.
hi. big fan.
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
August 10 2011 14:46 GMT
#6251
On August 10 2011 23:38 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.


I get where you're comming from Jinro, but that's something really minor. The fact that Terrans need perfect play while zerg can just A move and not even care about the slighest bit of micro just saddens me. I don't know, I watched your games, you played well, but terran is like that, really unforgiving, while I've seen zergs do horrible mistakes and still come back. I'd really like to get your opinion on this. Thx.


With a name like that and a post like that I don't know if he's going to respond positively to you at all. Did you read his post? He knows that he didn't play perfectly.
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
August 10 2011 14:48 GMT
#6252
On August 10 2011 23:45 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 23:38 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.


I get where you're comming from Jinro, but that's something really minor. The fact that Terrans need perfect play while zerg can just A move and not even care about the slighest bit of micro just saddens me. I don't know, I watched your games, you played well, but terran is like that, really unforgiving, while I've seen zergs do horrible mistakes and still come back. I'd really like to get your opinion on this. Thx.

Your logic toward play is completely flawed. Jinro pointed out mistakes he saw in himself. There are many others that can be found in those games dood. You must understand that at that level of play, a missed depot, building rax's late decide whether you go 2-0 or 0-2 amongst other things. No, Terran doesn't need to play perfectly to compete in TvZ, that's arrogance on your part, not the state of the game. Jinro played well, his opponent played better. Get over it and stop whining.



i used to play terran and switched to zerg. the game is balanced from what i can see. whenever i lose a game it's because i made some really dumb mistakes and whenever i win it's because i played well.

what league are you in btw? if u r crying about zerg and you aren't in grandmaster then it's your skill level that is the problem
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
August 10 2011 14:54 GMT
#6253
On August 10 2011 23:30 amazingoopah wrote:
today´s results plus Fenix´s from yesterday: foreigners went 1-10 overall X(

a true disaster for trying to close the gap between Korea and the rest. I´m sure Koreans are gonna be pissed that a lot of promising code B guys were left out so that foreigners could be walkovers in code A.


I would be too. If i was someone that was giving my all to make code A and some foreigners got spots because of previous foreigner tourny placings when koreans werent invited id be then got wrecked? That's almost like taking $ out of some of their hands.
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 14:58:04
August 10 2011 14:56 GMT
#6254
I don't see the cause for all the negativity to be honest.

The main problem is that every time a foreigner plays a korean the expectations get hyped up to way beyond what's reasonable. All of them only arrived in Korea a couple of days before gameday, and you really can't expect them to be playing at their highest level yet.

Thorzain played an impressive series, where he was in a position to win both games he lost (misread in g2 cost him the game, crappy engagement cost him g2), and his first game was very impressive. Sase and Nani got kind of rolled, but they were playing whats arguably their worst matchup.

Give it some time and I expect all of them to show us at least close games in the GSTL, and even take a few wins home. Thorzain and Naniwa are quite probably the best and the most motivated players the EU/NA scene has to offer (discounting foreigners already in korea), and if anyone can do it it's going to be them.

Also, completely random question: I haven't followed the MLG code A invites, but I assume Naniwa is guaranteed a spot the next round of code A games from his MLG performance?
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
August 10 2011 14:58 GMT
#6255
On August 10 2011 23:48 Xercen wrote:
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On August 10 2011 23:45 FataLe wrote:
On August 10 2011 23:38 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning

the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot

seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses

but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle

imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle

meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg

Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.


I get where you're comming from Jinro, but that's something really minor. The fact that Terrans need perfect play while zerg can just A move and not even care about the slighest bit of micro just saddens me. I don't know, I watched your games, you played well, but terran is like that, really unforgiving, while I've seen zergs do horrible mistakes and still come back. I'd really like to get your opinion on this. Thx.

Your logic toward play is completely flawed. Jinro pointed out mistakes he saw in himself. There are many others that can be found in those games dood. You must understand that at that level of play, a missed depot, building rax's late decide whether you go 2-0 or 0-2 amongst other things. No, Terran doesn't need to play perfectly to compete in TvZ, that's arrogance on your part, not the state of the game. Jinro played well, his opponent played better. Get over it and stop whining.



i used to play terran and switched to zerg. the game is balanced from what i can see. whenever i lose a game it's because i made some really dumb mistakes and whenever i win it's because i played well.

what league are you in btw? if u r crying about zerg and you aren't in grandmaster then it's your skill level that is the problem

Wrong quote buddie.
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
August 10 2011 14:59 GMT
#6256
Has anyone noticed that only 2 protoss made it to the Ro16? And of the two, one faced the weakest foreigner (no offense Fenix) and the other played a PvP.

I don't mean to balance whine... but this just sucks in terms of game-variety.
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Ventor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States336 Posts
August 10 2011 14:59 GMT
#6257
Sweden just got pwned hard.

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Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
August 10 2011 15:07 GMT
#6258
Were their focus on this Code A tournament? i thought the whole idea was to go to korea, train and then enter a GSL tournament. I find it pretty silly to go there and enter a tournament like the day after you got there.
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maryelizbethwinstead
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico223 Posts
August 10 2011 15:08 GMT
#6259
dw guys. the evolution of huk gives me hope. a little time and luck, and I think some foreigners can roll!

It was NEVER gonna be easy!
Lord, teach me to be patient.
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 15:12:34
August 10 2011 15:12 GMT
#6260
this proves the gap between the best foreigners and just average koreans is huge.

just goes to show how good mvp mma nestea are when it comes to being pretty damn sick

btw the game is balanced.
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