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Oh man. Saddening results.
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On August 10 2011 22:18 gillon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 21:57 Sixes wrote:On August 10 2011 21:52 chokke wrote:On August 10 2011 21:46 Yemack wrote:On August 10 2011 21:42 chokke wrote:
*Rant about how they all got put against zergs which are known to be superior in the current state* just be glad there was no terran. It's a conspiracy. "Hey, let us invite a bunch of foreigners to code A" "We don't really want them here making the leagues dirty, what can we do?" "Bring out the zerg?" "BRILLIANT! PUT THEM AGAINST ZERG, WHICH ONES?" "Lucky, YuGiOh, Sniper, Check are all free." "You're a genious!" Such is the way of GOM. Yeah cause the Korean Zergs are absolutely dominating all of Code A and S against the Terrans ... Even Nestea is dropping games up there and the other zergs are getting crushed. Let's face it, if Thorzain and Jinro could play like the top Korean Terrans they wouldn't be losing to these Zergs. Even PvZ in Korea is a pretty even matchup, it's really just PvT that's silly right now (and maybe ZvT). Maybe after some practice in Korea we will see the top foreigners progress like Huk did and compete but right now those who don't train in Korea are just a league under regardless of the race they play. So what you're saying is that if Jinro and Thorzain were WAY BETTER players than their opponents they would win? Good job on that one.
No If Jinro and Thorzain aren't vastly inferior to their opponents due to lack of practice they would compete much better. This is the same as Huk initially struggling then doing well once he had been on a Korean practice schedule for awhile.
Let's face it, Korean Terrans are dominating the scene, not the Zergs. Maybe they should have made it Naniwa vs MKP and Jinro vs Hack, I'm sure we would have had a couple foreign wins there ... wait ...
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Jesus... glad I didn't stay up to watch this horrorfest  Let's hope that they'll be training hard and come back and make it somewhere.
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That is just sad. Only 2 Protoss and no foreigner in Code A left. I am tired of watching only Ts and Zs... We need new Protoss Heros!
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Nani and thorzain had the choice between :
- Going to Bliz invitationnal and get 1000 € free
- Going in korea sooner and maybe win a little more.
I understand theyr choice
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sad day for foreigners, awesome day for my liquibet ^^
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Are you fucking kidding me? They all got stomped save a long macro game from thorzain?
FFS I expected so much more
The gap really is that wide.
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thats just sad..totally sad! But doesnt that speak about the state of the game in Europe and NA. NA is much worse! I am totally sad! I hope they fight back next season
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That's rough Props to Thorzain taking a win, the silver lining I guess.
What a bummer.
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On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg
Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.
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sad day, i felt really strongly that at least one of them would win
but maybe next time when jinro is feeling better and nani/thorzain/sase get some korean practice, we will see awesome results :D
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On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.
Missing a supply depot - playing far from perfectly x)
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Dang I voted all foreigner too... I didn't expect a full on ass-handing, oh well.
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I get up thinking, yes, foreigner night! Eagerly, I load up a video...
only to see moletrap. -_-
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On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier.
Question, Jinro:
As a pro playing in Korea, what do you have to say about Stereotype threat and Performance pressure?
Would you say that being a foreigner adds extra pressure on you to perform well so that you can break the stereo type of "Korean owns white dudes?"
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On August 10 2011 23:04 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier. Missing a supply depot - playing far from perfectly x)
Supply blocking is unbelievably brutal in Starcraft :0
There are also all those tiny little things that people don't even notice, like making marines 0.25 seconds late here, losing 2 marines with a mismicro there. Such things add up into "how the fuck did MC/MVP/whoever have so much stuff!"
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im watching the vods right now, and what is up with the korean guy constantly shouting in the background in the naniwa games? it sounds like its a tv show or something, and i don't think its the commentators, its like the same thing over and over again X.X
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On August 10 2011 23:20 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 23:04 butchji wrote:On August 10 2011 22:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg Id be complaining if not for the fact that I was playing very far from perfectly. I wasnt playing AWFULLY but there was still 1 missed depot where I had to use a calldown, and one semi-missed depot later. I also forgot combat shields and a couple of times banked too much money where I could have added 2 more raxes earlier. Missing a supply depot - playing far from perfectly x) Supply blocking is unbelievably brutal in Starcraft :0 There are also all those tiny little things that people don't even notice, like making marines 0.25 seconds late here, losing 2 marines with a mismicro there. Such things add up into "how the fuck did MC/MVP/whoever have so much stuff!"
I know but you would be surprised how many depots and other stuff a player like MVP misses. You can analyze this very well by watching replays.  No idea why someone as for example IdrA says he doesn't need to train his mechanics and just needs to focus on strategies etc because mechanics are so easy in SC2. I know it's ALOT easier than BroodWar but yet when you watch a replay you notice endless stuff they could improve on (larvae inject is far from perfect etc).
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