EPTOn August 31 2011 11:58 ThreeActPlay wrote:
If you're so good, why don't you think of a way to beat it?
If you're so good, why don't you think of a way to beat it?
He never said that he was good.
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Bodhi
United States180 Posts
He never said that he was good. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
Results: + Show Spoiler +  EG.PuMa <Xel'Naga Caverns>  EG.PuMa <MLG Metalopolis> EG.DeMusliM <MLG Shakuras Plateau> EG.DeMusliM <MLG Dual Sight>  Fnatic.Rain (0-1)Fnatic.Rain (0-2)EG.Axslav & EG.Strifecro <Scorched Haven> Fnatic.TT1 & Fnatic.RainEG.Axslav & EG.Strifecro <TBD> Fnatic.TT1 & Fnatic.Rain | ||
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askTeivospy
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:00 Oboeman wrote: leenock beat it by spreading creep and shooting down the medivac with queens while it unloaded. Fruitdealer beat it by letting the marines land, then hitting them with banelings when the medivac picked up the hellions., so the marines had nowhere to go. it's perfectly stoppable. idra just had no units and no scouting information, and no preparation. Gee, that sounds like a great idea. Keep the queens off creep next to the edge of the base to shoot at medivacs. Sounds like a great way to keep macro up. Why would IdrA spread creep to the edge of his base first instead of connecting his main to his natural -- especially if he didn't think or know that it was coming? (And how was idra supposed to scout? Rain had 3 overlords at the edge of his base to kill overlords, and idra already wasted a few lings trying to run into the main to scout.) IdrA's banelings were spotted by rain and he knew that they were coming (he moved his marines back to the edge, off creep) -- no chance for that kind of hold. so what else? | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:03 ThreeActPlay wrote: Gee, that sounds like a great idea. Keep the queens off creep next to the edge of the base to shoot at medivacs. Sounds like a great way to keep macro up. Why would IdrA spread creep to the edge of his base first instead of connecting his main to his natural -- especially if he didn't think or know that it was coming? (And how was idra supposed to scout? Rain had 3 overlords at the edge of his base to kill overlords, and idra already wasted a few lings trying to run into the main to scout.) IdrA's banelings were spotted by rain and he knew that they were coming (he moved his marines back to the edge, off creep) -- no chance for that kind of hold. please stop posting if you don't understand the game Why would idra spread creep in his main? To be safe from drop and elevator play. It takes one extra tumour while connecting your bases to get to the elevator ledge. Honestly, you're basically immune to this elevator play if you do it. I consider getting decent creep coverage in your main a necessity these days, just like connecting your main to your natural. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:03 ThreeActPlay wrote: Gee, that sounds like a great idea. Keep the queens off creep next to the edge of the base to shoot at medivacs. Sounds like a great way to keep macro up. Why would IdrA spread creep to the edge of his base first instead of connecting his main to his natural -- especially if he didn't think or know that it was coming? (And how was idra supposed to scout? Rain had 3 overlords at the edge of his base to kill overlords, and idra already wasted a few lings trying to run into the main to scout.) IdrA's banelings were spotted by rain and he knew that they were coming (he moved his marines back to the edge, off creep) -- no chance for that kind of hold. so what else? Yea Leenock just got lucky when he rolled Boxer who tried the same strat twice vs him. /sarcasm | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:03 ThreeActPlay wrote: Gee, that sounds like a great idea. Keep the queens off creep next to the edge of the base to shoot at medivacs. Sounds like a great way to keep macro up. Why would IdrA spread creep to the edge of his base first instead of connecting his main to his natural -- especially if he didn't think or know that it was coming? (And how was idra supposed to scout? Rain had 3 overlords at the edge of his base to kill overlords, and idra already wasted a few lings trying to run into the main to scout.) IdrA's banelings were spotted by rain and he knew that they were coming (he moved his marines back to the edge, off creep) -- no chance for that kind of hold. please stop posting if you don't understand the game He wasn't suggesting IdrA do any of that blindly. IdrA just didn't scout anything. If he had some idea of what was coming he would have been able to defend better. And spreading creep around your base is actually a pretty good thing to do on those positions on metalopolis. Medivacs ferrying units is just so common. Results: + Show Spoiler + EG.PuMa <Xel'Naga Caverns> EG.PuMa <MLG Metalopolis> EG.DeMusliM <MLG Shakuras Plateau> EG.DeMusliM <MLG Dual Sight> Fnatic.Rain (0-1)Fnatic.Rain (0-2)EG.Axslav & EG.Strifecro <Scorched Haven> Fnatic.TT1 & Fnatic.RainEG.Axslav & EG.Strifecro <TBD> Fnatic.TT1 & Fnatic.Rain | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:05 Oboeman wrote: Why would idra spread creep in his main? To be safe from drop and elevator play. It takes one extra tumour while connecting your bases to get to the elevator ledge. Honestly, you're basically immune to this elevator play if you do it. BUT AN EXTRA TUMOR IS A BLIND COUNTER!!! seriously though, there's no reason to think this build is unstoppable. idra wasn't in the best position, sure, but a-moving into it off creep might not have been the best choice | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1750 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:03 ThreeActPlay wrote: Gee, that sounds like a great idea. Keep the queens off creep next to the edge of the base to shoot at medivacs. Sounds like a great way to keep macro up. Why would IdrA spread creep to the edge of his base first instead of connecting his main to his natural -- especially if he didn't think or know that it was coming? (And how was idra supposed to scout? Rain had 3 overlords at the edge of his base to kill overlords, and idra already wasted a few lings trying to run into the main to scout.) IdrA's banelings were spotted by rain and he knew that they were coming (he moved his marines back to the edge, off creep) -- no chance for that kind of hold. so what else? IdrA saw it coming with his ovies floating at his base. Had he morphed just 3 banelings, he could've reacted right away when Rain was dropping marines, waited outside, and just kill them right away when Rain picked up BFHs. So, that was purely IdrA's bad. No excuses. Edit : I mean if IdrA already had a few banelings. | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:05 Oboeman wrote: Why would idra spread creep in his main? To be safe from drop and elevator play. It takes one extra tumour while connecting your bases to get to the elevator ledge. Honestly, you're basically immune to this elevator play if you do it. it would definitely take more than 1 tumor to spread creep the edge -- he wasn't building his tech structures to spread to the edge at that point. to get to the edge before that kind of timing would take quite a few tumors, and you'd have to have both (or 3?) queens up the ramp and ready to respond at any time. it's just a build that's incredibly difficult to handle unless you know 100% that the terran is going to do it -- it sacrifices economy right from the start (dropping early baneling nest, skipping injects to plant tumors/making extra queens) and puts you at risk of early banshee plays, or other terran timings | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:07 redloser wrote: IdrA saw it coming with his ovies floating at his base. Had he morphed just 3 banelings, he could've reacted right away when Rain was dropping marines, waited outside, and just kill them right away when Rain picked up BFHs. So, that was purely IdrA's bad. No excuses. Edit : I mean if IdrA already had a few banelings. he saw it coming...when the medivac was a couple of inches from dropping at his main. idra morphed banelings immediately, but rain moved up, saw them morphing, and moved back -- idra wasn't going to catch hellions or marines with slow banes off creep, sorry. | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1750 Posts
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:11 redloser wrote: gosh, I'm a zerg fan but I never felt BFH + marine drop would be considered OP or unstoppable... hellion opening into 3 OC's might be OP, but not this one... IdrA just messed up, its purely IdrA's fault. it's not OP or unstoppable -- just very difficult to defend against. zerg defense is all about static defense (spine crawlers) and melee ground units that are really bad against bfh. that drop play on close air metalopolis takes any kind of static defense out of the battle and bfh roasts zerglings. if you only have 3-4 slow banes, it's easy to split your marines to minimize damage, or just kite them off creep to take little to none. unless zerg blind counters, it's just a shitty situation that takes a lot of luck/incredible micro to pull off | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1750 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:10 ThreeActPlay wrote: he saw it coming...when the medivac was a couple of inches from dropping at his main. idra morphed banelings immediately, but rain moved up, saw them morphing, and moved back -- idra wasn't going to catch hellions or marines with slow banes off creep, sorry. well I thought some people might say this, so i edited my comment  what I meant was had IdrA already had 3~4 banelings when Rain moved his medivac into ovie's sight.stop trying to make excuses for idra. BFH + marine drop isn't even close to 1/1/1. idra just messed up. he could've defended it. | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:13 redloser wrote: well I thought some people might say this, so i edited my comment what I meant was had IdrA already had 3~4 banelings when Rain moved his medivac into ovie's sight.stop trying to make excuses for idra. BFH + marine drop isn't even close to 1/1/1. idra just messed up. he could've defended it. read above post -- didnt say it was op | ||
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Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
On August 31 2011 12:06 Entropic wrote: Yea Leenock just got lucky when he rolled Boxer who tried the same strat twice vs him. /sarcasm idra had no units when rains leaves his base with a reaper, 7 marines, 1medvac and 4 blue flames...how greedy can you be? also letting him unload all the units in his base, thats not how you deal with that build. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
Results: + Show Spoiler + EG.PuMa <Xel'Naga Caverns> EG.PuMa <MLG Metalopolis> EG.DeMusliM <MLG Shakuras Plateau> EG.DeMusliM <MLG Dual Sight> Fnatic.Rain (0-1)Fnatic.Rain (0-2)Fnatic.TT1 & Fnatic.RainEG.Axslav & EG.Strifecro <TBD> Fnatic.TT1 & Fnatic.Rain | ||
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