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On July 31 2011 05:24 mango_destroyer wrote:
if jinro won with cloaked banshees cuz Choya didnt make cannons or robo would people be calling it cheese or Choya a noob? I`m leaning torwards the latter.
lol that's exactly what I said
On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote:
If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss.
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On July 31 2011 05:25 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote:
Calling it here first.
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer. He loves Boxer as much as a lot of people on this site.
hes does that against every korean at live events
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On July 31 2011 05:26 Kettchup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:23 Andamanen wrote:
If Alicia wins the next few rounds in the Losers bracket and hits ToD again, it will be an extended series, right? Pretty terrible bracket creation that something like that is possible so quickly.
So quickly? the losers bracket would be almost done at that point loll.
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On July 31 2011 05:21 Zinthar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:17 Medrea wrote:On July 31 2011 05:16 LittLeD wrote:
Oh yeh gotta work on dem anti-cheese strats DT expand is not cheese? Really guys come on. DT expand still puts you behind if you do no damage with it, which is why it has been declining in popularity in Korea.
No it's not, if anything it's seeing an increase in popularity again since the Archon buff meaning Zealot/Archon timings are an excellent follow up, as well as the fact that if he goes all out to Raven you can morph archons and still have a powerful defensive unit.
It's the same for anything though, I open blueflame drop or cloaked banshees and don't do damage while my opponent goes 1rax fe? I'm behind! DT's have the advantage of making it a nightmare for the Terran to move out even if they fend off the actual harass well, it's a good opening
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Destroy him Tyler! 
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Choya played his hand and it beat Jinro's who had lots of time to get a turret up. Simple as dat. Sets up a nice Tyler revenge match though.
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On July 31 2011 05:24 brutality wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:19 Talin wrote:On July 31 2011 05:18 Whole wrote:
Why are people calling a DT expand cheese? Because it wasn't a DT expand. It kindof was lol Choya didn't need much of an army b/c he scouted gasless expand. If Jinro would have thrown down 3 more barracks and pulled all scv's then it would have been a successful mindgame cheese. So all Choya's build was was a greedy expand into harrass b/c he took a good guess what Jinro was doing.
The point is that Jinro could have had Turrets up in time with his build, which makes choya's choice all in and cheese (because he had no way of knowing whether Jinro will be safe or not).
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Before ~7 min you make a wall that is closed. Just in case. If you scout 2 gas and no gas heavy units.
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On July 31 2011 05:23 Azarkon wrote:
DT expand is pretty cheesy, but it's not an all-in.
From the looks of it, Jinro was going for a fast ghost timing build. That's why he didn't have an engineering bay.
the 9 minute 2 ghost attack has a +1 weapons
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On July 31 2011 05:22 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:16 Topdoller wrote:
Punished for being to greedy, i dont why Terrans blow all the CC energy on mules so early when they are vulnerable to DT rush Terran needs MULES early game. If a Terran player isn't MULing properly and a good Gateway Timing push comes, they'll lose the game. You can say that Jinro lost because he was greedy or didn't scout enough, but what it comes down to is that Dark Templar are the stupidest thing in the game. They give free wins to Protoss players who don't deserve them, such as Choya over Jinro. Or how about Puzzle beating MMA. Puzzle would have lost first round were it not for the stupidity of a unit that instantly wins you the game (anybody who didn't watch those, basically Puzzle DT rushed two games in a row, MMA forgot Missile Turrets, and later in the game despite MMA microing far better and outplaying Puzzle, he was too far behind. Basic recap of those games: Game 1: Jinro plays far better than Choya and wins with great play and NUKES!!! Game 2: Choya abuses Metalopolis and wins because of a map imbalance and cheesy play. Game 3: Dark Templar. Only one of those games is worth watching, I bet you can all guess which one it is.
I find it funny how you complain about DTs when you are far better equipped to deal with it than Zerg is.
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On July 31 2011 05:24 mango_destroyer wrote:
if jinro won with cloaked banshees cuz Choya didnt make cannons or robo would people be calling it cheese or Choya a noob? I`m leaning torwards the latter.
Terrans almost never go for cloaked banshee in that matchup because they expect the Protoss to have detection by then. Likewise, most P's don't warp in 3 DT's at once because they expect a turret at the natural of Terran. It seems as though Jinro must have been pretty confident that choya was going for a specific, non-DT build and felt safe to skip detection.
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On July 31 2011 05:22 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:16 Topdoller wrote:
Punished for being to greedy, i dont why Terrans blow all the CC energy on mules so early when they are vulnerable to DT rush Terran needs MULES early game. If a Terran player isn't MULing properly and a good Gateway Timing push comes, they'll lose the game. You can say that Jinro lost because he was greedy or didn't scout enough, but what it comes down to is that Dark Templar are the stupidest thing in the game. They give free wins to Protoss players who don't deserve them, such as Choya over Jinro. Or how about Puzzle beating MMA. Puzzle would have lost first round were it not for the stupidity of a unit that instantly wins you the game (anybody who didn't watch those, basically Puzzle DT rushed two games in a row, MMA forgot Missile Turrets, and later in the game despite MMA microing far better and outplaying Puzzle, he was too far behind. Basic recap of those games: Game 1: Jinro plays far better than Choya and wins with great play and NUKES!!! Game 2: Choya abuses Metalopolis and wins because of a map imbalance and cheesy play. Game 3: Dark Templar. Only one of those games is worth watching, I bet you can all guess which one it is.
I heard Banshee´s can win games instantly, too...
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On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote:
Calling it here first.
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer.
ROFL. My thoughts exactly. Love how he smiles and looks pretty for the camera... So hypocritical
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On July 31 2011 05:25 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote:
Calling it here first.
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer. He loves Boxer as much as a lot of people on this site.
More like a love letter.
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On July 31 2011 05:25 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:22 Hypemeup wrote:On July 31 2011 05:20 TooN wrote:
Bronze players calling dt build cheese lol.... it makes it safe to expand. the terrran wont move out of their base without detection. And if Jinro had done any pressure he would have killed him, how is that not cheesy? "Gosh I hope he wont poke at me for ages so I can get DTs up KEKEKEKKE" Isn't that Idra's gameplan every single game? I guess he is cheesy now as well. Risk =/= cheese
No it's probably considered cheese because them DTs HAD to do serious damage or win the game outright or he probably would have lost.
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On July 31 2011 05:25 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:19 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 05:17 FairForever wrote:On July 31 2011 05:16 Triscuit wrote:On July 31 2011 05:15 Fionn wrote:
Flimsy? Really, Day9? Yeah, it was flimsy. Jinro won the macro game convincingly and then Choya went for cheesy rushes two games in a row. If Jinro had a scan saved up or made an engineering bay he would have held it off and the game would have gone on. Not sure that a scan would've been enough in game 3... Choya just has to split DTs and Jinro is still screwed. Really needed an engineering bay there. Guess hindsight is always great but if you're in his shoes with no idea what's going on, a lot tougher call. Cheesy rushes once, maybe, but a Voidray expand isn't cheese, and we see DT expands often and it's not an all-in (cheesy as it may be), if Terran kills the DTs Choya still is on equal bases and similar armies. DTs are actually a really good choice on that map. Usually the problem with DT expands is that you have no army; however, that map has a great natural that aids in defender's advantage. I don't know why people are criticizing Choya for the VR allin in game 2.. Jinro was fixing to do an allin as well.
You wonder why people don't like the VR allin when it did so much damage that Jinro was forced to do a allin himself? Choya just did a allin while Jinro was basicly forced to because there was no way to really come back from the damage that Choya did.
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On July 31 2011 05:22 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:16 Topdoller wrote:
Punished for being to greedy, i dont why Terrans blow all the CC energy on mules so early when they are vulnerable to DT rush Terran needs MULES early game. If a Terran player isn't MULing properly and a good Gateway Timing push comes, they'll lose the game. You can say that Jinro lost because he was greedy or didn't scout enough, but what it comes down to is that Dark Templar are the stupidest thing in the game. They give free wins to Protoss players who don't deserve them, such as Choya over Jinro. Or how about Puzzle beating MMA. Puzzle would have lost first round were it not for the stupidity of a unit that instantly wins you the game (anybody who didn't watch those, basically Puzzle DT rushed two games in a row, MMA forgot Missile Turrets, and later in the game despite MMA microing far better and outplaying Puzzle, he was too far behind. Basic recap of those games: Game 1: Jinro plays far better than Choya and wins with great play and NUKES!!! Game 2: Choya abuses Metalopolis and wins because of a map imbalance and cheesy play. Game 3: Dark Templar. Only one of those games is worth watching, I bet you can all guess which one it is.
G2 and G3 were awful games, but it was due to Jinros weak play. G2 "map imbalance and cheesy play"? Come on, Jinro was 1-basing 1-1-1, Choya was 3-gate stargate pressuring into an expo.
DT's don't win the game, unpreparedness loses it.
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I dislike choya's play, have since he popped up and went 2 base collosus every single game. But that doesn't mean I hate him.
Actually it sounds like choya's been doing a pretty good job as a coach and a manager, which I think is his main role with fOu/FXO.
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On July 31 2011 05:26 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:25 Irave wrote:On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote:
Calling it here first.
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer. He loves Boxer as much as a lot of people on this site. hes does that against every korean at live events
The funniest thing was when he did that to Losira and the poor little guy didn't know what he was on about,probably even thought hes getting BMed lol.
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Why is FXOboss stepping into this? Just asking, I have alot of respect for fxo's business sense but talking shit in a foreign language on tl? Im just confused.
Do I need google translate to understand wisdom or foolishness?
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