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On July 31 2011 05:27 Synwave wrote:
Why is FXOboss stepping into this? Just asking, I have alot of respect for fxo's business sense but talking shit in a foreign language on tl? Im just confused.
Do I need google translate to understand wisdom or foolishness?
DJWheat moderate!
remember the time when fxo absorbed fOu.
well choya is on fOu.
now boss is defending his player
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On July 31 2011 05:26 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:21 Zinthar wrote:On July 31 2011 05:17 Medrea wrote:On July 31 2011 05:16 LittLeD wrote:
Oh yeh gotta work on dem anti-cheese strats DT expand is not cheese? Really guys come on. DT expand still puts you behind if you do no damage with it, which is why it has been declining in popularity in Korea. No it's not, if anything it's seeing an increase in popularity again since the Archon buff meaning Zealot/Archon timings are an excellent follow up, as well as the fact that if he goes all out to Raven you can morph archons and still have a powerful defensive unit. It's the same for anything though, I open blueflame drop or cloaked banshees and don't do damage while my opponent goes 1rax fe? I'm behind! DT's have the advantage of making it a nightmare for the Terran to move out even if they fend off the actual harass well, it's a good opening
That was popular for a few weeks after the buff, but most Terrans in televised matches (speaking primarily of GSL here) have shut that opening down. It's an archon plus chargelot timing, and it's so predictable that terrans just build supply depots in locations that disrupt the chargelots when they see the early DT, then build more marine/ghost than marine/rauder.
Archons are quite expensive when made from DT's. Now that it's a known build, it's not cost efficient without doing at least some free damage with the DT's.
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On July 31 2011 05:28 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:*Sigh*, non-protoss players everywhere feel Jinro's pain. Stupid DTs. Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote:
If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss. Cloaked banshees are nowhere comparable to DTs. DTs have unlimited cloak, banshees do not. DTs start with cloak, banshees need them researched. DTs kill workers in one shot, banshees in two. DTs are produced by the very beginning production building, making higher number production [like 3 at once to split everywhere] far easier than starport production of banshees. I'm not saying anything about overall game balance, but it's just absurd to put banshees on the same level.
You're not fooling anyone Painuser.
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While you're waiting check out the other stream; Jinro vs Choya game 2 is playing out right now on metalopolis, same builds same maps same pylon positioning, and "Jinro" has held the voidray.
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On July 31 2011 05:26 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 brutality wrote:On July 31 2011 05:19 Talin wrote:On July 31 2011 05:18 Whole wrote:
Why are people calling a DT expand cheese? Because it wasn't a DT expand. It kindof was lol Choya didn't need much of an army b/c he scouted gasless expand. If Jinro would have thrown down 3 more barracks and pulled all scv's then it would have been a successful mindgame cheese. So all Choya's build was was a greedy expand into harrass b/c he took a good guess what Jinro was doing. The point is that Jinro could have had Turrets up in time with his build, which makes choya's choice all in and cheese (because he had no way of knowing whether Jinro will be safe or not).
It's not. Even if they do no damage, the DTs turn into archons which become the core of your army.
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On July 31 2011 05:28 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:*Sigh*, non-protoss players everywhere feel Jinro's pain. Stupid DTs. Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote:
If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss. Cloaked banshees are nowhere comparable to DTs. DTs have unlimited cloak, banshees do not. DTs start with cloak, banshees need them researched. DTs kill workers in one shot, banshees in two. DTs are produced by the very beginning production building, making higher number production [like 3 at once to split everywhere] far easier than starport production of banshees. I'm not saying anything about overall game balance, but it's just absurd to put banshees on the same level.
You forgot how a turret beats all that.
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On July 31 2011 05:29 Ryuu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:26 mango_destroyer wrote:On July 31 2011 05:25 Ryuu2 wrote:On July 31 2011 05:22 Fionn wrote:
Still don't know how that was cheese or an all-in.
If the DT's failed? A setback for Choya, but he could transition into a very normal game. Jinro just played that wrong. Stop bashing Choya for something Jinro should have scouted/been prepared for. The reason why Choyas build sucks: Its fucking unsafe. He would've died to ANYTHING except for what jinro ended up doing. Choya just threw a dice and he got extremely lucky and won. LOL please go play the game. NO ENGY BAY NO SCANS is safe?! Jinro played extremely risky and greedy and payed for it. He didnt even scout it. Choyas build would've died to: 2rax pressure, 3rax, 4rax allin (obv), cloaked banshees etc. Choya PRAYED that jinro wouldn't do any of that and won.
He scouted the rax-expand though, no?
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On July 31 2011 05:25 brutality wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:23 Shagg wrote:On July 31 2011 05:21 grush57 wrote:
Guys, dont blame Choya. It's not his fault that a unit can instantly win you the game, its how Protoss was designed. haha true dat So cloakshees have never instant killed a toss for skipping detection? Just like Jinro skipped detection?
Banshees cant be turned into archons. They don't have unlimited cloak. If a terran goes only 1 rax 2 gas which u can scout its gonna be bansheese 9/10 times where protoss is could be 3 gate, robo tech, dts, voidrays. Plus, if ur going standard ur gonna get a robo, engineering bay is for upgrades a little later on.
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I just want to say i love you TL this tournament would be no way funny if it werent for you guys <3
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On July 31 2011 05:28 deerpark87 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:27 Hybris wrote:On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote:
Calling it here first.
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer. ROFL. My thoughts exactly. Love how he smiles and looks pretty for the camera... So hypocritical Haha, yes i have a feeling too. He always "tries" to be nice.
You must have never met iNcontroL in person then.
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On July 31 2011 05:26 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 brutality wrote:On July 31 2011 05:19 Talin wrote:On July 31 2011 05:18 Whole wrote:
Why are people calling a DT expand cheese? Because it wasn't a DT expand. It kindof was lol Choya didn't need much of an army b/c he scouted gasless expand. If Jinro would have thrown down 3 more barracks and pulled all scv's then it would have been a successful mindgame cheese. So all Choya's build was was a greedy expand into harrass b/c he took a good guess what Jinro was doing. The point is that Jinro could have had Turrets up in time with his build, which makes choya's choice all in and cheese (because he had no way of knowing whether Jinro will be safe or not).
No, Choya knows the build Jinro was attempting and countered it. Yes, Jinro could have had an e-bay and turrets but then he would have to cut back on SCVs, marines, and the rest. Choya knew he would be safe for at least an effective harass. He was expanding behind it in case Jinro was able to get up turrets to detect the DTs. As others have said, it's not like Jinro was itching to attack when Choya's DTs came - Jinro was doing a practiced build meant to include ghosts and/or other high tier units and Choya simply out-strategized him.
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On July 31 2011 05:28 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:*Sigh*, non-protoss players everywhere feel Jinro's pain. Stupid DTs. Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote:
If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss. Cloaked banshees are nowhere comparable to DTs. DTs have unlimited cloak, banshees do not. DTs start with cloak, banshees need them researched. DTs kill workers in one shot, banshees in two. DTs are produced by the very beginning production building, making higher number production [like 3 at once to split everywhere] far easier than starport production of banshees. I'm not saying anything about overall game balance, but it's just absurd to put banshees on the same level.
its absurd not to.. Again as zerg don't play terran or protoss, but cloaked banshee's are some of the stupidest thing I face. For starters they can run away alot easier then a DT can, if you do not prepare for cloaked banshee you are fucked just like if you don't prepare for DT's.
I would rather face DT's then cloaked banshee's even with detection, cloaked banshee's can be such a pain because they fly.
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On July 31 2011 05:29 Ryuu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:26 mango_destroyer wrote:On July 31 2011 05:25 Ryuu2 wrote:On July 31 2011 05:22 Fionn wrote:
Still don't know how that was cheese or an all-in.
If the DT's failed? A setback for Choya, but he could transition into a very normal game. Jinro just played that wrong. Stop bashing Choya for something Jinro should have scouted/been prepared for. The reason why Choyas build sucks: Its fucking unsafe. He would've died to ANYTHING except for what jinro ended up doing. Choya just threw a dice and he got extremely lucky and won. LOL please go play the game. NO ENGY BAY NO SCANS is safe?! Jinro played extremely risky and greedy and payed for it. He didnt even scout it. Choyas build would've died to: 2rax pressure, 3rax, 4rax allin (obv), cloaked banshees etc. Choya PRAYED that jinro wouldn't do any of that and won.
No, cause he wouldn't have done that if he saw any of that. Choya sees a fast expand, builds DT shrine. Doesn't see fast expand and builds 2 more gates or responds accordingly. Scouting dude.
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On July 31 2011 05:27 Synwave wrote:
Why is FXOboss stepping into this? Just asking, I have alot of respect for fxo's business sense but talking shit in a foreign language on tl? Im just confused.
Do I need google translate to understand wisdom or foolishness?
DJWheat moderate!
I will translate for you.
I said "what are you saying man?"
"It wasnt cheese"
then english words
Then ended with "Cmon"
Hope this helps.
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On July 31 2011 05:26 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 brutality wrote:On July 31 2011 05:19 Talin wrote:On July 31 2011 05:18 Whole wrote:
Why are people calling a DT expand cheese? Because it wasn't a DT expand. It kindof was lol Choya didn't need much of an army b/c he scouted gasless expand. If Jinro would have thrown down 3 more barracks and pulled all scv's then it would have been a successful mindgame cheese. So all Choya's build was was a greedy expand into harrass b/c he took a good guess what Jinro was doing. The point is that Jinro could have had Turrets up in time with his build, which makes choya's choice all in and cheese (because he had no way of knowing whether Jinro will be safe or not).
It wasn't an all in, because even if the DTs failed, Choya whould've still had a lot of map control.
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matches to get into pool play from open bracket
Tyler vs Choya
Ganzi vs Jimmy
Oz vs Rain
Cruncher vs Merz
1 Korean guaranteed to make it into pool play from OB and a maximum of 3 might make it into pool play
Alicia shames Korea by losing in OB and stops a potential 4 Koreans making it into pool play from OB
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On July 31 2011 05:28 ZaaaaaM wrote:
What is this shit? It was 1-1 choya jinro, then they said we'll be right back. The stream goes black, apparently they turn it offline and you have to refresh the page to start it back up again?? Is the series already over or what?
Something wrong on your end, I didn't have to refresh the page.
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On July 31 2011 05:28 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:*Sigh*, non-protoss players everywhere feel Jinro's pain. Stupid DTs. Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote:
If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss. Cloaked banshees are nowhere comparable to DTs. DTs have unlimited cloak, banshees do not. DTs start with cloak, banshees need them researched. DTs kill workers in one shot, banshees in two. DTs are produced by the very beginning production building, making higher number production [like 3 at once to split everywhere] far easier than starport production of banshees. I'm not saying anything about overall game balance, but it's just absurd to put banshees on the same level.
lol wtf? That's not at all what I meant. Banshees can still single-handedly win games, and if that had happened...
I don't even
what?
You're crazy
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On July 31 2011 05:20 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 05:19 Xivsa wrote:On July 31 2011 05:17 Talin wrote:On July 31 2011 05:16 Piski wrote:On July 31 2011 05:15 Benjef wrote:
Cheese ftw I guess? How is that cheese? He expanded faster than Jinro :f Jinro with bad scouting. It sucks but dont blame Choya Gosh, you can always save up 400 minerals and expand, it doesn't mean anything. It was absolutely cheese, when you warp in 3 DTs it's completely all in. There was no way choya could have protected his "expansion", it was just part of the deception. It would have been cheese if Choya somehow pulled his probes with the attack or something. If the DTs failed utterly, he could have tried to get a wall or at least a few cannons at his natural and build up more zealots/stalkers before transitioning into whatever. Going fast DTs and attacking with them is not cheese - it's just a form of pressure. If DTs failed choya would be dead with zero chance of recovery. Going fast 3 DTs is absolutely cheese. There is a DT expand build that's somewhat stable - but this isn't anywhere close to that.
He had no raven so how the hell would he move out? Exactly. Something you probably don't understand. It's called "map control". Gonna stop arguing with this retard
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