On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote: If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss.
Cloaked banshees are nowhere comparable to DTs. DTs have unlimited cloak, banshees do not. DTs start with cloak, banshees need them researched. DTs kill workers in one shot, banshees in two. DTs are produced by the very beginning production building, making higher number production [like 3 at once to split everywhere] far easier than starport production of banshees.
I'm not saying anything about overall game balance, but it's just absurd to put banshees on the same level.
On July 31 2011 05:22 Fionn wrote: Still don't know how that was cheese or an all-in.
If the DT's failed? A setback for Choya, but he could transition into a very normal game. Jinro just played that wrong. Stop bashing Choya for something Jinro should have scouted/been prepared for.
The reason why Choyas build sucks: Its fucking unsafe. He would've died to ANYTHING except for what jinro ended up doing. Choya just threw a dice and he got extremely lucky and won.
LOL please go play the game.
NO ENGY BAY NO SCANS is safe?! Jinro played extremely risky and greedy and payed for it. He didnt even scout it.
Choyas build would've died to: 2rax pressure, 3rax, 4rax allin (obv), cloaked banshees etc. Choya PRAYED that jinro wouldn't do any of that and won.
He saw the 1 rax no gas CC. How is seeing something the same as praying? Did you even watch the game or are you just here arguing for fun?
On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote: Calling it here first.
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer.
ROFL. My thoughts exactly. Love how he smiles and looks pretty for the camera... So hypocritical
Haha, yes i have a feeling too. He always "tries" to be nice.
And that's a problem? Would you rather he didn't try? I'm not the biggest iNcontrol fan (he's said some stupid shit recently) but come on, your being ridiculous. You can't turn being manner at the end of the game into a bad thing. Or at least you shouldn't.
Punished for being to greedy, i dont why Terrans blow all the CC energy on mules so early when they are vulnerable to DT rush
Terran needs MULES early game. If a Terran player isn't MULing properly and a good Gateway Timing push comes, they'll lose the game. You can say that Jinro lost because he was greedy or didn't scout enough, but what it comes down to is that Dark Templar are the stupidest thing in the game. They give free wins to Protoss players who don't deserve them, such as Choya over Jinro. Or how about Puzzle beating MMA. Puzzle would have lost first round were it not for the stupidity of a unit that instantly wins you the game (anybody who didn't watch those, basically Puzzle DT rushed two games in a row, MMA forgot Missile Turrets, and later in the game despite MMA microing far better and outplaying Puzzle, he was too far behind.
Basic recap of those games: Game 1: Jinro plays far better than Choya and wins with great play and NUKES!!! Game 2: Choya abuses Metalopolis and wins because of a map imbalance and cheesy play. Game 3: Dark Templar.
Only one of those games is worth watching, I bet you can all guess which one it is.
DTs are no different than cloaked banshees, you can call it a build order lose, but all the same, if you are playing an opponent who is known for this sort of tactic then you have no one to blame but yourself
Jinro is fantastic player and he plays the game the "right way", but sometimes he is frustrating to watch cause he keeps dying to what most people meet in gold\p[lat division. His late game is fantastic to watch if he makes it that far
I don't watch GSL much, but hasn't Nestea lost to bunker play from terrans? I mean you meet that in gold/plat division and it doesn't mean at all that Nestea is a bad player.
I would love it if you had to connect your TL account to your Bnet account in order to post.
It would:
1. Prevent smurf accounts (or make it harder to get). 2. Make sure none who has never played SC2 makes retarded comments about inbalance. 3. Hopefully enable a feature where you can ignore posts written by Diamond or lower.
On July 31 2011 05:22 Fionn wrote: Still don't know how that was cheese or an all-in.
If the DT's failed? A setback for Choya, but he could transition into a very normal game. Jinro just played that wrong. Stop bashing Choya for something Jinro should have scouted/been prepared for.
The reason why Choyas build sucks: Its fucking unsafe. He would've died to ANYTHING except for what jinro ended up doing. Choya just threw a dice and he got extremely lucky and won.
LOL please go play the game.
NO ENGY BAY NO SCANS is safe?! Jinro played extremely risky and greedy and payed for it. He didnt even scout it.
Choyas build would've died to: 2rax pressure, 3rax, 4rax allin (obv), cloaked banshees etc. Choya PRAYED that jinro wouldn't do any of that and won.
The what if game can be applied to every series. I am not going to bother getting into that kind of reasoning.
On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote: If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss.
Cloaked banshees are nowhere comparable to DTs. DTs have unlimited cloak, banshees do not. DTs start with cloak, banshees need them researched. DTs kill workers in one shot, banshees in two. DTs are produced by the very beginning production building, making higher number production [like 3 at once to split everywhere] far easier than starport production of banshees.
I'm not saying anything about overall game balance, but it's just absurd to put banshees on the same level.
DTs are melee. Cloakshees fly. You need a Twilight Council and a Dark Shrine vs. A factory and a starport.
On July 31 2011 05:27 Synwave wrote: Why is FXOboss stepping into this? Just asking, I have alot of respect for fxo's business sense but talking shit in a foreign language on tl? Im just confused. Do I need google translate to understand wisdom or foolishness? DJWheat moderate!
remember the time when fxo absorbed fOu. well choya is on fOu. now boss is defending his player
If we've learned anything it's that DJWheat is a great guy but shouldn't moderate debates lol.
On July 31 2011 05:24 mikyaJ wrote: If Jinro had beaten Choya with a Banshee FE because Choya had no detection due to not scouting it, people would be fine. So biased, it's pathetic really, and I hate Protoss.
Cloaked banshees are nowhere comparable to DTs. DTs have unlimited cloak, banshees do not. DTs start with cloak, banshees need them researched. DTs kill workers in one shot, banshees in two. DTs are produced by the very beginning production building, making higher number production [like 3 at once to split everywhere] far easier than starport production of banshees.
I'm not saying anything about overall game balance, but it's just absurd to put banshees on the same level.
They arent comparable in mechanics really (no units are) but they both work as units that simply kill you if you dont have Detection. There lies the point, people call Choya a cheesy noob even though he did a strat that was even less cheesy than the strat Jinro used the game before and it also debunks all this bullshit about how protoss are imba since they "are the only race with units that can straight up kill you". Which is complete bullshit since all 3 races have at least one of those.
On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote: Calling it here first.
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer.
ROFL. My thoughts exactly. Love how he smiles and looks pretty for the camera... So hypocritical
Haha, yes i have a feeling too. He always "tries" to be nice.
And that's a problem? Would you rather he didn't try? I'm not the biggest iNcontrol fan (he's said some stupid shit recently) but come on, your being ridiculous. You can't turn being manner at the end of the game into a bad thing. Or at least you shouldn't.
iNcontroL is a pretty big manner bear in all aspects of the game. Some people just take the forums far too serious.
Okay so I just woke up and caught only half of that last game with Jinro, so what is the fuss about? So what if he used DTs to "cheese?" This isn't a no-cheese tournament last time I checked. I love Jinro, but it's his fault if he doesn't have any detection :\
On July 31 2011 05:18 Whole wrote: Why are people calling a DT expand cheese?
Because it wasn't a DT expand.
It kindof was lol
Choya didn't need much of an army b/c he scouted gasless expand. If Jinro would have thrown down 3 more barracks and pulled all scv's then it would have been a successful mindgame cheese. So all Choya's build was was a greedy expand into harrass b/c he took a good guess what Jinro was doing.
The point is that Jinro could have had Turrets up in time with his build, which makes choya's choice all in and cheese (because he had no way of knowing whether Jinro will be safe or not).
It's not. Even if they do no damage, the DTs turn into archons which become the core of your army.
TY Jibba, Im tired of terrans assuming they dont need a caster unit vs any other race. They have a brilliant caster (not saying OP!) but they think they can shirk it to gas expose a race and take advantage and choya (who I think is less skilled IMO) punished him for this concept.
Not only wasn't it cheese, but everyone that knows anything about Korean players knows Choya loves his DTs and voidrays. Build a fucking engineering bay, period. Jinro should know this. It was just a mistake.
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