EPTOn July 31 2011 05:23 Worldatlarge wrote:
Observers are cheese too, gateway units only
Observers are cheese too, gateway units only
Yeah sorry I play Zerg I don't know P too well.
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Yeah sorry I play Zerg I don't know P too well. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:21 Hybris wrote: No... it wasn't all in. How would Jinro have pushed across the map if he had no scans. It would have taken him at least 3 scans to get across the map and even more than that to kill the nexus... Totally impossible to save that many without getting behing. The DT's aren't free -- you trade 125/125 to make your opponent lose 270 minerals, which isn't exactly a favorable trade for Protoss. If you can get a marine kill on the way then maybe that tilts the balance into your favor, but you still had to build that expensive Dark Shrine in the first place, so it's probably still not worth it. DT's are only cost effective if you get free kills with them. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:24 Nastiness wrote: Did jinro lose the series?  Indeed he did. 2-1 | ||
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2par
Norway129 Posts
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
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AxiR
Germany944 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:22 Fionn wrote: Still don't know how that was cheese or an all-in. If the DT's failed? A setback for Choya, but he could transition into a very normal game. Jinro just played that wrong. Stop bashing Choya for something Jinro should have scouted/been prepared for. The reason why Choyas build sucks: Its fucking unsafe. He would've died to ANYTHING except for what jinro ended up doing. Choya just threw a dice and he got extremely lucky and won. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:23 FeastOfThePoops wrote: "Gosh I hope he doesn't make a very commonly made unit at all so I can get my expand up without getting any detect up KEKEKEKE" Does not change the fact that its cheesy. Nice try though. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:20 Triscuit wrote: If he had scanned the DT's as they were coming up his lower ramp he could have killed them. Granted that would take pretty amazing reaction time but still. He's not Idra (v. Incontrol) :p Sorry just had to say that. I don't want to start a Jinro v. Idra war. | ||
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Mvz
206 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:24 adeptz wrote: Calling it here first. Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer. Hahaha this. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:22 The Final Boss wrote: Terran needs MULES early game. If a Terran player isn't MULing properly and a good Gateway Timing push comes, they'll lose the game. You can say that Jinro lost because he was greedy or didn't scout enough, but what it comes down to is that Dark Templar are the stupidest thing in the game. They give free wins to Protoss players who don't deserve them, such as Choya over Jinro. Or how about Puzzle beating MMA. Puzzle would have lost first round were it not for the stupidity of a unit that instantly wins you the game (anybody who didn't watch those, basically Puzzle DT rushed two games in a row, MMA forgot Missile Turrets, and later in the game despite MMA microing far better and outplaying Puzzle, he was too far behind. Basic recap of those games: Game 1: Jinro plays far better than Choya and wins with great play and NUKES!!! Game 2: Choya abuses Metalopolis and wins because of a map imbalance and cheesy play. Game 3: Dark Templar. Only one of those games is worth watching, I bet you can all guess which one it is. Yes it was game 2, where Jinro got punished for trying to abuse his way into the next round. | ||
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
don't know what he was thinking when he sent that scv up the ramp and only saw 1 stalker past 6 minutes. he was just really focused on macroing i guess. but at these levels you've gotta be expecting DTs. | ||
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Roaches
Denmark152 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:17 Talin wrote: Gosh, you can always save up 400 minerals and expand, it doesn't mean anything. It was absolutely cheese, when you warp in 3 DTs it's completely all in. There was no way choya could have protected his "expansion", it was just part of the deception. Choya is on equal bases with good economy. He's down a bit in army supply but how exactly is Jinro going to waltz across a DT filled Plateau with no Raven in sight, not even a factory up, to attack. By the time the Raven is out the game is pretty much on even terms and Choya has storm on the way. Jinro's plan was to go with ghosts and emp any DTs it seemed like, but his academy timing was just off for the super fast DTs. | ||
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Razuik
United States409 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:19 DystopiaX wrote: Cheesy rushes once, maybe, but a Voidray expand isn't cheese, and we see DT expands often and it's not an all-in (cheesy as it may be), if Terran kills the DTs Choya still is on equal bases and similar armies. DTs are actually a really good choice on that map. Usually the problem with DT expands is that you have no army; however, that map has a great natural that aids in defender's advantage. I don't know why people are criticizing Choya for the VR allin in game 2.. Jinro was fixing to do an allin as well. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:23 Jayrod wrote: So DT expand is cheese now? And somehow going void ray expand is more cheesey than the terran player's marine/banshee/tank all-in he was preparing? Please take your opinions to the blizzard forums or actually analyze the games. .....he was going to all in because he lost so much from the void ray and basicly had to. | ||
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Mellon
Sweden917 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:21 grush57 wrote: Guys, dont blame Choya. It's not his fault that a unit can instantly win you the game, its how Protoss was designed. Yeah... Just like Bansheed in that sense? It's a good opener, but if Jinro had built a single turret, choya would've been insanely much ahead. If he could've scanned when they came up his ramp he would've been fine aswell. Instead he decided to mule at 50 energy when he had no clue whatsoever what was happening. He even saw Choya's rightside pylon, which often is a indication of trying to hide tech. So strange to not get 1 turret either way, it's good vs Void rays, colossi (without range) and DT. Also good vs observers, so don't really see why it would be skipped... | ||
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
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Rykros
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