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megapants
United States1314 Posts
choya followed up the expo with 2 (maybe even 3) gateways, meaning any counter aggression would have been easily fended off. DT's are good. just cause people don't use them doesn't mean they are cheesy. in fact, DTs are soooo good that anybody who isn't readily able to defend against them straight up auto-loses | ||
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adeptz
Australia220 Posts
Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:22 Jibba wrote: No, it's really not. DT expand is something you see whenever you watch the Korean streamers play on the Korean ladder. It transitions into zealot/archon. No man. Expanding. The New All-in. | ||
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:20 Talin wrote: If DTs failed choya would be dead with zero chance of recovery. Going fast 3 DTs is absolutely cheese. There is a DT expand build that's somewhat stable - but this isn't anywhere close to that. Yes it is. He was expanding behind it and can easily get cannons or units to defend a counter-attack. The build is meant to punish a fast CC from a terran like what Jinro tried. Watch more games of Koreans transitioning out of early DTs and stabilizing. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:20 Meancookie wrote: I want to emphasize this. People shouldn't go all "pfff stupid cheese". Fyi, a prestigious player like Bisu uses DT/corsair just to deny opponent expansions/get his own expos up, not to end the game (I know it's a different game and blablabla but the cheese concepts kind of carry over). He had 2 stalkers at his front that was his entire army. He would've died to any kind of pressure but he scouted the no gas so gambled on Jinro sitting in his base and macro-ing for a while. This was definitely not a safe DT expand. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:23 Moragon wrote: Yes, because cloaked banshees without a robo isn't a GG right? yeah as a zerg I hate cloaked banshee's more then DT's  . (still hate dt's a lot though!) | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
No, you would see only 1 rax, double gas, where double gas could mean anything really for protoss. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:19 Xivsa wrote: It would have been cheese if Choya somehow pulled his probes with the attack or something. If the DTs failed utterly, he could have tried to get a wall or at least a few cannons at his natural and build up more zealots/stalkers before transitioning into whatever. Going fast DTs and attacking with them is not cheese - it's just a form of pressure. I'm a terran, so I'd love to say that was cheese or allin to devalue it(since i hate dts so much -.-), but if jinro had had a turret up, aslong as he wasn't going banshee or raven play, choy was completely safe. DTs are disgusting when it comes to mapcontrol. If he had a turret, obviously jinro would be at an advantage though, but that's because of the faster expo, not dts. | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:23 DystopiaX wrote: What's up with the Maybelline commercial? Do they not know who the audience for an MLG is? Maybe they figure the viewers will want to buy something for their girlfri.... Nevermind I see your point. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Not as far off as saying any other language /pet | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:20 DystopiaX wrote: If it doesn't come from a Gateway or Robo it's cheese, duh. Blink Stalker cheese ? duh | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote: dt expand isn't cheese when you nexus after only 1 stalker? you're basically hoping to be facing one build and one build only..or you die. He scouted a 1 rax fe. He wasn't hoping anything. He knew. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
Eww. You are gross. Ewwwwwwwwwww. Also fixed it for you | ||
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Nastiness
Sweden275 Posts
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deerpark87
760 Posts
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:22 Topdoller wrote: Its not cheese, nor is it an all in. its a build that punishes greedy players By that definition, nothing is allin. A 4rax after 2 rax is obviously just punishing a greedy zerg that doesn't get blind 3 spines or a baneling nest. | ||
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