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Alright, its truly time to stop whining. Stop caster bashing also. Be warned.
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2881
it wasn't that cheesy, in fact it is a very smart build. sure a missle turret at the front stops DTs from entering the main but they have a lot of utility after the harassment phase. choya's expo would have been completely protected from any form of big rax play simply because jinro would have NEEDED that e-bay which would delay his tech, reduce his army size, reduce his rax count, etc.

choya followed up the expo with 2 (maybe even 3) gateways, meaning any counter aggression would have been easily fended off.

DT's are good. just cause people don't use them doesn't mean they are cheesy. in fact, DTs are soooo good that anybody who isn't readily able to defend against them straight up auto-loses
adeptz
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia220 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2882
Calling it here first.

Incontrol loses and writes an essay as a gg statement for Boxer.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2883
On July 31 2011 05:22 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 05:17 Talin wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:16 Piski wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:15 Benjef wrote:
Cheese ftw I guess?


How is that cheese? He expanded faster than Jinro :f Jinro with bad scouting. It sucks but dont blame Choya


Gosh, you can always save up 400 minerals and expand, it doesn't mean anything.

It was absolutely cheese, when you warp in 3 DTs it's completely all in. There was no way choya could have protected his "expansion", it was just part of the deception.

No, it's really not. DT expand is something you see whenever you watch the Korean streamers play on the Korean ladder. It transitions into zealot/archon.


No man.

Expanding.

The New All-in.
twitch.tv/medrea
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2884
On July 31 2011 05:20 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 05:19 Xivsa wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:17 Talin wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:16 Piski wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:15 Benjef wrote:
Cheese ftw I guess?


How is that cheese? He expanded faster than Jinro :f Jinro with bad scouting. It sucks but dont blame Choya


Gosh, you can always save up 400 minerals and expand, it doesn't mean anything.

It was absolutely cheese, when you warp in 3 DTs it's completely all in. There was no way choya could have protected his "expansion", it was just part of the deception.


It would have been cheese if Choya somehow pulled his probes with the attack or something. If the DTs failed utterly, he could have tried to get a wall or at least a few cannons at his natural and build up more zealots/stalkers before transitioning into whatever. Going fast DTs and attacking with them is not cheese - it's just a form of pressure.


If DTs failed choya would be dead with zero chance of recovery.

Going fast 3 DTs is absolutely cheese. There is a DT expand build that's somewhat stable - but this isn't anywhere close to that.


Yes it is. He was expanding behind it and can easily get cannons or units to defend a counter-attack. The build is meant to punish a fast CC from a terran like what Jinro tried. Watch more games of Koreans transitioning out of early DTs and stabilizing.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. - Bilbo
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2885
On July 31 2011 05:20 Meancookie wrote:
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On July 31 2011 05:17 baoluvboa wrote:
The dts arent meant to kill, just to do damage/map control to allow for a safer transition


I want to emphasize this. People shouldn't go all "pfff stupid cheese". Fyi, a prestigious player like Bisu uses DT/corsair just to deny opponent expansions/get his own expos up, not to end the game (I know it's a different game and blablabla but the cheese concepts kind of carry over).


He had 2 stalkers at his front that was his entire army. He would've died to any kind of pressure but he scouted the no gas so gambled on Jinro sitting in his base and macro-ing for a while. This was definitely not a safe DT expand.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2886
On July 31 2011 05:23 Moragon wrote:
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On July 31 2011 05:18 Canucklehead wrote:
Damn poor jinro. Pain user is right - dts > banshee! Instant gg with no ebay! Oh well go choya!! Hope he beats tyler to make it into the group stage!


Yes, because cloaked banshees without a robo isn't a GG right?


yeah as a zerg I hate cloaked banshee's more then DT's . (still hate dt's a lot though!)
When I think of something else, something will go here
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2887
On July 31 2011 05:23 mango_destroyer wrote:
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On July 31 2011 05:21 grush57 wrote:
Guys, dont blame Choya. It's not his fault that a unit can instantly win you the game, its how Protoss was designed.


so does banshees. sup?


No, you would see only 1 rax, double gas, where double gas could mean anything really for protoss.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2888
On July 31 2011 05:19 Xivsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 05:17 Talin wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:16 Piski wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:15 Benjef wrote:
Cheese ftw I guess?


How is that cheese? He expanded faster than Jinro :f Jinro with bad scouting. It sucks but dont blame Choya


Gosh, you can always save up 400 minerals and expand, it doesn't mean anything.

It was absolutely cheese, when you warp in 3 DTs it's completely all in. There was no way choya could have protected his "expansion", it was just part of the deception.


It would have been cheese if Choya somehow pulled his probes with the attack or something. If the DTs failed utterly, he could have tried to get a wall or at least a few cannons at his natural and build up more zealots/stalkers before transitioning into whatever. Going fast DTs and attacking with them is not cheese - it's just a form of pressure.

I'm a terran, so I'd love to say that was cheese or allin to devalue it(since i hate dts so much -.-), but if jinro had had a turret up, aslong as he wasn't going banshee or raven play, choy was completely safe. DTs are disgusting when it comes to mapcontrol. If he had a turret, obviously jinro would be at an advantage though, but that's because of the faster expo, not dts.
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2889
On July 31 2011 05:23 DystopiaX wrote:
What's up with the Maybelline commercial? Do they not know who the audience for an MLG is?

Maybe they figure the viewers will want to buy something for their girlfri.... Nevermind I see your point.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2890
I've noticed that Jinro has been quite susceptible to unorthodox strategies in the past few months. Seems like he just hasn't found the time to sit down and figure these timings and strategies out. Let's hope he can regroup in the lower bracket.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2891
On July 31 2011 05:24 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 05:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:21 TheKefka wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:20 FXOpen wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:18 Ertu wrote:
Thanx FXO for bringing this guy over to provide entertaining games. -_-

I hate this guy so much,I hope the fans at MLG treat him like they should.


Ase re, ti mou les.

Den itan cheese... eleos....

Guy goes FE what 1 gate dts? and you guys are all slagging on him.

Jinro has a problem with his early game, and choya does a harass and Jinro GG's out.

And some how one of the nicest people in the world is to blame....

Ante...


O o Boss bustin out the French,
Don't bother man,trolls gonna be trolls.


+ Show Spoiler +
I hope its french because if not i just made myself look like an ass


Greek


I was pretty far off than


Not as far off as saying any other language

/pet
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AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2892
I like Day9 but its dumb to call choya's play filmsy, he had a great read on what Jinro was going to do and you can still come back even if there is a turret there anyway. You can also forcefield the ramp on shakuras very easily if it fails. The void ray build on game 2 is standard on KR server for that position and very powerful.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2893
Wasn't it a problem at Homesotry Cup 3 when Huk used TLOs account?
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2894
On July 31 2011 05:20 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 05:19 Zorgaz wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:18 FrankWalls wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:17 Talin wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:16 Piski wrote:
On July 31 2011 05:15 Benjef wrote:
Cheese ftw I guess?


How is that cheese? He expanded faster than Jinro :f Jinro with bad scouting. It sucks but dont blame Choya


Gosh, you can always save up 400 minerals and expand, it doesn't mean anything.

It was absolutely cheese, when you warp in 3 DTs it's completely all in. There was no way choya could have protected his "expansion", it was just part of the deception.


the dts are what makes it safe to expand lol.



Yeah, but Toss still has the dirty units.

DT's and Voidrays so dirty imo xd >

If it doesn't come from a Gateway or Robo it's cheese, duh.


Blink Stalker cheese ? duh
Put quote here for readability
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2895
Tyler/Choya is next up on the Blue followed by Boxer/Incontrol.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2896
On July 31 2011 05:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
dt expand isn't cheese when you nexus after only 1 stalker? you're basically hoping to be facing one build and one build only..or you die.


He scouted a 1 rax fe. He wasn't hoping anything. He knew.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2897
On July 31 2011 05:21 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 05:19 Brainiac wrote:
Boxer vs Incontrol next. Hope to see Incontrol Boxer incontrol getting crushed hard.


Fixed that for you


Eww. You are gross. Ewwwwwwwwwww. Also fixed it for you
Never make a hydralisk.
Nastiness
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden275 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2898
Did jinro lose the series?
There is no rest in the dark realm.
deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2899
Who the f*ck care if its cheese or not. As long as you can win Why do people don't understand this? If someone cheeses and win the whole MLG, then so be it. They are Pros for a reason. They should know how to stop it.
eourcs
Profile Joined February 2011
United States459 Posts
July 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#2900
On July 31 2011 05:22 Topdoller wrote:
Its not cheese, nor is it an all in. its a build that punishes greedy players


By that definition, nothing is allin. A 4rax after 2 rax is obviously just punishing a greedy zerg that doesn't get blind 3 spines or a baneling nest.
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