EPTG2wolf your a pretty funny guy trying so hard to troll people on forums I have one post well 2 posts because i play the game rather than trolling forums all day. But you can say whatever you want because people who act like they know what they're talking about over the internet are the real bad asses, or "G2wolfs", of the world. Prob troll those forums all day i bet well GL with that i came and posted because i heard about this tournament and am a full believer in it's potential to add an interesting reason to play the game and keep up with what the competition is doing for wins.
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StrafedProtoss
United States16 Posts
G2wolf your a pretty funny guy trying so hard to troll people on forums I have one post well 2 posts because i play the game rather than trolling forums all day. But you can say whatever you want because people who act like they know what they're talking about over the internet are the real bad asses, or "G2wolfs", of the world. Prob troll those forums all day i bet well GL with that i came and posted because i heard about this tournament and am a full believer in it's potential to add an interesting reason to play the game and keep up with what the competition is doing for wins. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
I personally hope that this isn't just to shutup all the haters, and so far the NE-SE guys have provided a lot of information to suggest it isn't a scam but only time will tell. Haters will be proved wrong I hope :\ | ||
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GWaLK
United States184 Posts
On July 24 2011 11:58 Magrath wrote: Still haven't seen a proper brake down of the tournament/prize system. I'm sure everyone would benefit from you posting the one you have in your office. yes there has been. | ||
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G2Wolf
United States261 Posts
On July 25 2011 05:23 StrafedProtoss wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245230¤tpage=12#228 G2wolf your a pretty funny guy trying so hard to troll people on forums I have one post well 2 posts because i play the game rather than trolling forums all day. But you can say whatever you want because people who act like they know what they're talking about over the internet are the real bad asses, or "G2wolfs", of the world. Prob troll those forums all day i bet well GL with that i came and posted because i heard about this tournament and am a full believer in it's potential to add an interesting reason to play the game and keep up with what the competition is doing for wins. "Heard about the tournament", but a quick glance at the nese forums shows you advertising nese's stuff and signing people up. http://www.ne-se.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19&sid=17a31894a5e2fd62a7fc3778fd349edf On July 25 2011 05:31 MonkSEA wrote: "Hi my name is G2Wolf. I like to try to prove everything is a scam regardless of multiple sources telling it may not be(Blizzard contract, It's Gosu statement). I love to try and downgrade any form of tournament that boasts a large prize pool that looks suspicious and post in the thread millions of times to alert the TL people that this is a scam" I personally hope that this isn't just to shutup all the haters, and so far the NE-SE guys have provided a lot of information to suggest it isn't a scam but only time will tell. Haters will be proved wrong I hope :\ And I've posted plenty of information that would point to this being a scam, and when nese's respond to it is mostly to dodge it, that doesn't exactly help prove nese's point any. The blizzard contract that was pm'd is one that can easily be found on google and edited, and also wouldn't prove either way whether the money is actually there. | ||
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Magrath
Canada292 Posts
Could you link me to it? I followed this thread pretty closely, but maybe I missed it. | ||
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eMazing
59 Posts
SK gaming decided that it was legitimate enough to keep it up and leave it frontpaged. Statement from SK|Holy_KR in the comments of the post. + Show Spoiler + We have discussed your league with our staff, and we deemed your league legitimate for now, that's why the news post is still here. If we had any sufficient reason to believe your league was illegitimate this news would not be up on the front page. However, so far it seems good, we hope your endeavor goes well. For not only Starcraft 2, but for all of eSports. | ||
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TRgiovanni
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From that alone it screams scam. What event that boosts a substantial prize pool with a qualified staff with 16 months of preparation have that kind of video. If they had a tournament ready to start that was taking money as well, referencing the world series of gaming and all they ran into was legal issues you would think they would have a better video. Anyone remember NASL promo video? Or even smaller like HD/Husky's videos. Who would watch this and think, this remotely legit. I'm not against profiting so I don't mind the accusations against a pyramid scheme, but how do you expect us to put our faith in something that starts us off with that kind of video? Also you said yall were discussing making the entry fee non existent. Do that one thing for just the first event and you would solve everyone's concern over legitimacy. Final thing, did I read correctly when it said that the final 50 players of every event would have to play in a round fucking robin? That means you would have to play 49 players in 2 weeks? So best case scenario would be 3 to 4 matches per player a day. And hopefully you would make it at least a bo3 which is a huge investment time wise for an amateur player. NESL's promo | ||
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Griznah
Norway65 Posts
Ignoring skill: You have ~1/4 chance of breaking even and ~1/16 (or is my math horribly wrong?) of doubling up. People should stop crying about entry fees, I wish there were more of them. | ||
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NeSE
United States87 Posts
We appreciate your criticism though, we have already made some changes and the more you say the better our tournament will get. Here is a new feature we announced yesterday: http://www.ne-se.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21&sid=f9d4b86a68c64f5b83072aa03d6bdfdf Edit: Regarding the Final Fifty round: The four winners of the Final Fifty round not only win the $640 attached to that round which brings them to a total of $1,240 but also a plus two guest list for an all-expense paid trip to Las Vegas. In Vegas, they will compete in the NeSE Finals; 1st Place- $30,000 2nd Place- $15,000 3rd Place- $7,500. We will also provide complimentary arrangements throughout all of Las Vegas for players ranging from dinners to shows and night life reservations. Yes, the round will require all 50 players to participate in scheduled matches throughout two weeks to prove the four best beyond any doubt. In the end, each tournament is an extensive, high paying qualifier event. | ||
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NeSE
United States87 Posts
On July 25 2011 23:57 Griznah wrote: Assuming this isn't a scam, what's wrong with making some money? Businesses SHOULD make money. Ignoring skill: You have ~1/4 chance of breaking even and ~1/16 (or is my math horribly wrong?) of doubling up. People should stop crying about entry fees, I wish there were more of them. It is a 25% every round until the last round of the tournament. Each round consists of a multitude of four person brackets. Each player will fall into one four person bracket and it functions like any other bracket from there. The top two play each other and the bottom two play each other. The winner of those two games play, the winner wins the round. Two match ups per round, each round, for 5 rounds continuously. A player who goes 6-0 will earn SEVEN times what you put in as an entry fee ($20 vs $140) which does not include your $20 in return. All together, after going 6-0 you will have earned 160 credits(dollars) minus the 20 you started with by entering, and you are up 140 credits(dollars) after three rounds. | ||
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PantsB
United States77 Posts
Hell, the idea that some 25 year old night club employee with no experience in e-sports is going to get that backing in the first place is highly questionable. Following that up with astro-turf posters like StrafedProtoss http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2842434679 does not build trust. Using the post from the website Round 1- $20 Round 2- $40 Round 3- $80 Round 4- $160 Round 5- $320 Round 6- $640 Round 7 (Round Robin)- $1,280 In order to have enough people to have a 6 round competition in which 1 out of 4 people advance each round you need 4 * 4 * 4 * 4 * 4 * 4 or 4^6 or 4096 players. Total intake from this would be $81920 So either one does not have enough players to actually have a competition of this length or organizers will be pocketing approximately 50% of the entry fees and the "expected return" for entering this competition for the average competitor is ~.5 (equivalent of flipping a coin). This of course does not include disqualifications which would increase how much $ is pocketed. However, this language is also modified so that the above is contradicted. At 50 players or teams we will transition from a multiple bracket system into a round robin setting. Then, those 50 players or teams will compete day by day in scheduled, arranged matches for a two week time period. Which is it? The prize pool says round 7 is when this is "scheduled" to happen. This would then require 204800 entries or something like 15-20% of all NA SC2 players in season 2. Laughable. And that's before we see that if this was actually achieved, the total income would be just under $4.1 million And any organizer able to secure funding would know its laughable. Let's say this was 4 times as successful as NASL Open Season 1 ($10 buy in) which drew <256 players (call it an even 1024). One in 21 would make the final 50 and log4 12 is just over 2. 50 times 640 = 32000, or $12K more than income. Total losses would be ~$20K. Or far more likely, no one would actually get paid because this is a scam. Huge money promises, vague assurances of being on the up and up, questionable background of the only legal entity associated with the website and a business model that makes no sense = run. | ||
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NeSE
United States87 Posts
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
On July 27 2011 11:18 NeSE wrote: PantsB, I'm going to say this one more time, I did not post from StrafedProtoss, this was already explained. As far your entire post, ultimately you are saying Blizzard absolutely would not back this organization so it must be a scam. So, if Blizzard formally announced this tournament throughout the StarCraft 2 web sites would you be willing to admit your theory is proven falsified? I'd like to see your blizzard license first, I had one for my league and I know pay to enter leagues need a different license before they are allowed to operate. | ||
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NeSE
United States87 Posts
On July 27 2011 11:25 nGBeast wrote: I'd like to see your blizzard license first, I had one for my league and I know pay to enter leagues need a different license before they are allowed to operate. You are 100% Correct, organizers who have an entry fee require a completely different licensing agreement. We have the contract required to host an entry fee based tournament with Blizzard Entertainment. We actually posted a portion of that contract on this thread, which clearly was not such a great idea. We will not be posting our contract with Blizzard Entertainment or any other contract for that matter now, or ever. As we have previously stated, you will see formal announcements throughout Blizzard's StarCraft II web sites by next week. We apologize for any convenience but posting our contract is simply not a possibility. | ||
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soulist
United States932 Posts
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PantsB
United States77 Posts
On July 27 2011 11:18 NeSE wrote: PantsB, I'm going to say this one more time, I did not post from StrafedProtoss, this was already explained. As far your entire post, ultimately you are saying Blizzard absolutely would not back this organization so it must be a scam. So, if Blizzard formally announced this tournament throughout the StarCraft 2 web sites would you be willing to admit your theory is proven falsified? Yes. If Blizzard made a blog post like they have for NASL, IEM, Blizzcon or GSL about the Open Tourney it would be believable. Forum posts don't count. Until we see it on http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/search?k=eSports&f=article Its not. | ||
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NeSE
United States87 Posts
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:42 PantsB wrote: This is clearly a scam, I hope no one falls for it. The idea that the simple math that anyone with a modicum of business or mathematical knowledge could is far more complex that what was being done "in the office" of a company promising tens of thousands of dollars in payouts and has the backing of Blizzard is ludicrous. Hell, the idea that some 25 year old night club employee with no experience in e-sports is going to get that backing in the first place is highly questionable. Following that up with astro-turf posters like StrafedProtoss http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2842434679 does not build trust. Using the post from the website Round 1- $20 Round 2- $40 Round 3- $80 Round 4- $160 Round 5- $320 Round 6- $640 Round 7 (Round Robin)- $1,280 In order to have enough people to have a 6 round competition in which 1 out of 4 people advance each round you need 4 * 4 * 4 * 4 * 4 * 4 or 4^6 or 4096 players. Total intake from this would be $81920 So either one does not have enough players to actually have a competition of this length or organizers will be pocketing approximately 50% of the entry fees and the "expected return" for entering this competition for the average competitor is ~.5 (equivalent of flipping a coin). This of course does not include disqualifications which would increase how much $ is pocketed. However, this language is also modified so that the above is contradicted. Which is it? The prize pool says round 7 is when this is "scheduled" to happen. This would then require 204800 entries or something like 15-20% of all NA SC2 players in season 2. Laughable. And that's before we see that if this was actually achieved, the total income would be just under $4.1 million And any organizer able to secure funding would know its laughable. Let's say this was 4 times as successful as NASL Open Season 1 ($10 buy in) which drew <256 players (call it an even 1024). One in 21 would make the final 50 and log4 12 is just over 2. 50 times 640 = 32000, or $12K more than income. Total losses would be ~$20K. Or far more likely, no one would actually get paid because this is a scam. Huge money promises, vague assurances of being on the up and up, questionable background of the only legal entity associated with the website and a business model that makes no sense = run. This should be edited in the OP as a proper way to inquire legitimacy. Good work. | ||
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NeSE
United States87 Posts
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On July 28 2011 02:44 NeSE wrote: Great Point, we are most likely going to re-do the OP and put that up as a sponsor thread alone, after the Blizzard announcements are live. It has been made pretty clear throughout this thread what was Unclear, so we will make the necessary changes. And what about the video you've said you would do, presenting yourself and your organisation? | ||
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