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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
July 22 2011 07:46 GMT
#181
On July 22 2011 16:44 NeSE wrote:
First and foremost, if I say we're going to put on that event, and we don't, do you stand to lose from the reputation?

No just the $20 you sign up with!
NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 07:46 GMT
#182
On July 22 2011 16:42 G2Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:34 NeSE wrote:
On July 22 2011 16:31 G2Wolf wrote:
On July 22 2011 16:27 NeSE wrote:
There is also a $1.25 million event that is being put together for the NeSE Finals in June 2012 and the NeSE is sponsoring other events. .

Sup CXG


Is this not direct proof that you're sole purpose is to be negative and attack our event? Here is what advice I have received from friends at other major organizers and I bid you farewell. Those who have any LEGITIMATE questions, comments or concerns about the NeSE PLEASE feel free to post here or on our forums. You can also email us at any time at esports@ne-se.com.

I will not be responding to any more negativity from this point forward you will simply have to wait for the announcements as everyone has suggested.


My sole purpose isn't to be negative and attack your event. My sole purpose is to prove you are a scam and I've provided plenty of proof that you never bothered to address and correct.

If you need explaining of my latest post, CXG was a huge event in 2004, promised hundreds of thousands of dollars, live finals in Las Vegas, ended up being a huge scam and the owner vanished with the money. Now if you seriously think we're not going to completely doubt your event when you appear out of nowhere, with no backing, promising tons of money with a live finals in Las Vegas, you're absolutely crazy. And so far, you've provided ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF to your legitimacy.


I'm sorry for what people have done, and I'm sorry you feel this way. At this time I'm done going back and forth with you, time will show who is being honest and who is being ignorant.
jobebob
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
July 22 2011 07:47 GMT
#183
On July 22 2011 16:44 NeSE wrote:
That post was half good feedback but then you started to just become hostile again, please just be more civil. I will sit here and answer questions all night long, all I am asking for is just a little common courtesy.

First and foremost, if I say we're going to put on that event, and we don't, do you stand to lose from the reputation? No. We do. So whats your point of even sharing your two cents? Regarding where we get this money from and what not? Its 2011, $1.25 million isn't what it used to be and frankly its none of your business or your concern where our current capital came from.

We also do not ask for faith, we show you our web site, you register and you get full access to that site. We also provide you with the scheduled dates so you know what you are paying for and when you are getting it. If you win a round and are eliminated in the future, it clearly states on the web site you will receive your prize amount with 7 to 10 days from the time you are eliminated. That is not waiting until the end of the tournament.


The problem is that it does not matter when you payout. Once the players register, you can just run off with the money. This is the reason why a venture such as your needs to more than just faith.
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 07:48:50
July 22 2011 07:48 GMT
#184
The reason your system is so alarming is because the rules explain it something like this:

[image loading]

Even if the player amounts aren't perfect multiples of 4, and a round robin happens at 50 players, how does that impact a net gain of half the entry fee? If anything, the first few rounds should double money then the prize pool should be distributed in a different manner for the top 64 players. No one will want to play a tournament where half the money goes to the organizer.
GET SM4SHED
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 22 2011 07:49 GMT
#185
On July 22 2011 16:47 jobebob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:44 NeSE wrote:
That post was half good feedback but then you started to just become hostile again, please just be more civil. I will sit here and answer questions all night long, all I am asking for is just a little common courtesy.

First and foremost, if I say we're going to put on that event, and we don't, do you stand to lose from the reputation? No. We do. So whats your point of even sharing your two cents? Regarding where we get this money from and what not? Its 2011, $1.25 million isn't what it used to be and frankly its none of your business or your concern where our current capital came from.

We also do not ask for faith, we show you our web site, you register and you get full access to that site. We also provide you with the scheduled dates so you know what you are paying for and when you are getting it. If you win a round and are eliminated in the future, it clearly states on the web site you will receive your prize amount with 7 to 10 days from the time you are eliminated. That is not waiting until the end of the tournament.


The problem is that it does not matter when you payout. Once the players register, you can just run off with the money. This is the reason why a venture such as your needs to more than just faith.

Pretty sure he already said he's working with Its Gosu to put on a tourment? Exactly what do you want?
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 07:51 GMT
#186
Joebob, the moral of the story here is if YOU do not believe it is legit even after all the announcements DON'T REGISTER. We are looking to provide the best gaming environment on the internet to people who are open to the atmosphere. If you're a negative nancy, why even get involved at all? Just mind your own and go on about your business...
NippIeLuv
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada13 Posts
July 22 2011 07:51 GMT
#187
On July 22 2011 16:48 Glockateer wrote:
The reason your system is so alarming is because the rules explain it something like this:

[image loading]

Even if the player amounts aren't perfect multiples of 4, and a round robin happens at 50 players, how does that impact a net gain of half the entry fee? If anything, the first few rounds should double money then the prize pool should be distributed in a different manner for the top 64 players. No one will want to play a tournament where half the money goes to the organizer.


Not taking sides or what, but seeing all this math sort of annoys me. You end up with a big number, and get annoyed at the organizers turning up a big profit. Doesn't the top four get a plus two trip to Vegas PLUS the crazy first, second, and third grand prizes?
MULE XING
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
July 22 2011 07:51 GMT
#188
On July 22 2011 16:44 NeSE wrote:
That post was half good feedback but then you started to just become hostile again, please just be more civil. I will sit here and answer questions all night long, all I am asking for is just a little common courtesy.

First and foremost, if I say we're going to put on that event, and we don't, do you stand to lose from the reputation? No. We do. So whats your point of even sharing your two cents? Regarding where we get this money from and what not? Its 2011, $1.25 million isn't what it used to be and frankly its none of your business or your concern where our current capital came from.

We also do not ask for faith, we show you our web site, you register and you get full access to that site. We also provide you with the scheduled dates so you know what you are paying for and when you are getting it. If you win a round and are eliminated in the future, it clearly states on the web site you will receive your prize amount with 7 to 10 days from the time you are eliminated. That is not waiting until the end of the tournament.


Well, let's see. If you say you're putting on the event, take everyone's money from signups, and then don''t have the event, there's going to be a lot of people out of a lot of money.
"Its 2011, $1.25 million isn't what it used to be and frankly its none of your business or your concern where our current capital came from."
Yeah, biggest esports prizepool EVER by about half a million, with no sponsors, and you expect people to think you're legit?

On July 22 2011 16:45 NeSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:43 redFF wrote:
[image loading]

Why are there wow and halo scenes in your promotional video?


Great point actually, its a chopped video that we are still working on for final cuts, but there is good reason you see other games. The NeSE has plans to incorporate up to four more games next year into our exact tournament system if our first year is a success. Our commitment is to eSports in the US as I have previously stated, that does not mean ONLY StarCraft 2, as there are definitely other video games in eSports.

So I heard you like copyright violations? There's at least 5 in that video.
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 07:53 GMT
#189
On July 22 2011 16:48 Glockateer wrote:
The reason your system is so alarming is because the rules explain it something like this:

[image loading]

Even if the player amounts aren't perfect multiples of 4, and a round robin happens at 50 players, how does that impact a net gain of half the entry fee? If anything, the first few rounds should double money then the prize pool should be distributed in a different manner for the top 64 players. No one will want to play a tournament where half the money goes to the organizer.


You have demonstrated a really great point. I am going to get a full breakdown together that displays where all of the prize pool money goes including the tax on all transactions starting with our first round and ending with our finals. I will have this posted most likely under the Tournament Schedule sections of the web site which are both on the main site and the StarCraft II Game Site.

I will also attempt to PM you on this forum when I have uploaded these successfully and hopefully that will clear some of the air.
NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 07:56 GMT
#190
Sigh, G2Wolf you are intensely persistent just to be a negative individual. YES SOMEONE IS PUTTING THAT MUCH MONEY INTO A PRIZE POOL FOR ESPORTS A CORPORATION THAT HAS THAT SORT OF CAPITAL BELIEVES IN ESPORTS IS THIS SO HARD TO BELIEVE?

Stats:
The video game industry as a whole is nearly FIVE TIMES LARGER than the National Football League in annual revenue. The average viewership for the 5 largest video games is nearly two times larger than the average viewership for a Major League Baseball game. Contrary to what you believe, eSports is worth WAY MORE than a mere $4 million prize pool, its should be seeing BILLIONS at this point overall. Considering what NFL players make and that 5 video games put together get more asses in seats and more eyes on streams than 1 NFL broadcast.
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
July 22 2011 07:57 GMT
#191
On July 22 2011 16:51 NippIeLuv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:48 Glockateer wrote:
The reason your system is so alarming is because the rules explain it something like this:

[image loading]

Even if the player amounts aren't perfect multiples of 4, and a round robin happens at 50 players, how does that impact a net gain of half the entry fee? If anything, the first few rounds should double money then the prize pool should be distributed in a different manner for the top 64 players. No one will want to play a tournament where half the money goes to the organizer.


Not taking sides or what, but seeing all this math sort of annoys me. You end up with a big number, and get annoyed at the organizers turning up a big profit. Doesn't the top four get a plus two trip to Vegas PLUS the crazy first, second, and third grand prizes?


I don't mind if an organizer makes profit but as I see it, they're doing 4 tournaments such as this to get the top 16 finals (4 from each tournament). I'm not an expert in profit margins but I don't see why it'd be half of it.
GET SM4SHED
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 08:13:38
July 22 2011 07:59 GMT
#192
On July 22 2011 16:56 NeSE wrote:
Sigh, G2Wolf you are intensely persistent just to be a negative individual. YES SOMEONE IS PUTTING THAT MUCH MONEY INTO A PRIZE POOL FOR ESPORTS A CORPORATION THAT HAS THAT SORT OF CAPITAL BELIEVES IN ESPORTS IS THIS SO HARD TO BELIEVE?

Stats:
The video game industry as a whole is nearly FIVE TIMES LARGER than the National Football League in annual revenue. The average viewership for the 5 largest video games is nearly two times larger than the average viewership for a Major League Baseball game. Contrary to what you believe, eSports is worth WAY MORE than a mere $4 million prize pool, its should be seeing BILLIONS at this point overall. Considering what NFL players make and that 5 video games put together get more asses in seats and more eyes on streams than 1 NFL broadcast.


Someone didn't read the commandments...

Edit: Also, that is pretty hard to believe. I mean I suppose NASL kinda came from the same boat, but the difference is we all know and love iNcontroL, and this NeSE has nothing going for it as of now.
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 08:00 GMT
#193
Glockateer I assure you based on all of our costs and everything all put together the NeSE will be able to fund the event that has been planned and barely escape the year. This is our first year in this industry and no business expects to turn a profit when they are just getting started with something. The only way the NeSE would turn a profit is if there were a very large amount of registrations and we elected NOT to utilize that capital to increase broadcast quality. However, if the NeSE received 50,000 registrations they would be able to acquire the interest of enough sponsors to refund everyone their entry fee and make the registrations free. If this unbelievable scenario took place we would then increase our registration limit extensively and be able to make the tournament available internationally. Without a registration fee we would not be limited to hosting in the United States alone.
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
July 22 2011 08:02 GMT
#194
On July 22 2011 16:56 NeSE wrote:
Sigh, G2Wolf you are intensely persistent just to be a negative individual. YES SOMEONE IS PUTTING THAT MUCH MONEY INTO A PRIZE POOL FOR ESPORTS A CORPORATION THAT HAS THAT SORT OF CAPITAL BELIEVES IN ESPORTS IS THIS SO HARD TO BELIEVE?


Yes, it is.
www.twitter.com/g2wolf
NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 08:02 GMT
#195
That is called a Personal Problem.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 08:05:07
July 22 2011 08:03 GMT
#196
On July 22 2011 15:57 NeSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 15:55 crojar wrote:
I'm basing that on these claims:

-Players who win the first round of the tournament will be awarded 20 credits to their account and each round won by a player will show as credits equal to dollars (1 credit = 1 dollar). Once a player has either been eliminated or won that tournament and advanced to the NE-SE Playoffs, they will receive payment for all the prize money they earned throughout that tournament.

-The system will continue on in this fashion where 25% of all participants in each round will be deemed winners and advance further until we reach 50 players or teams.

-At 50 players or teams we will transition from a multiple bracket system into a round robin setting. Then, those 50 players or teams will compete day by day in scheduled, arranged matches for a two week time period.

Maybe I will re-read, perhaps I made a mistake.


That is 100% correct, I have to be completely honest with you I really don't seem to be completely understanding your system. So far all the systems I've seen posted up here are much more complicated than what you see in our office.

Then post that.

I can think of no legitimate reason why you would want to keep the PAYOUT structure secret.

EDIT:
On July 22 2011 16:53 NeSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:48 Glockateer wrote:
The reason your system is so alarming is because the rules explain it something like this:

[image loading]

Even if the player amounts aren't perfect multiples of 4, and a round robin happens at 50 players, how does that impact a net gain of half the entry fee? If anything, the first few rounds should double money then the prize pool should be distributed in a different manner for the top 64 players. No one will want to play a tournament where half the money goes to the organizer.


You have demonstrated a really great point. I am going to get a full breakdown together that displays where all of the prize pool money goes including the tax on all transactions starting with our first round and ending with our finals. I will have this posted most likely under the Tournament Schedule sections of the web site which are both on the main site and the StarCraft II Game Site.

I will also attempt to PM you on this forum when I have uploaded these successfully and hopefully that will clear some of the air.

OK, good. I honestly think you should take it easy with the advertising until you have the necessary information on hand, because until its presented nothing you say can convince anyone.
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 08:06:48
July 22 2011 08:05 GMT
#197
Jinro, our payout structure is Not private and it is posted publicly. Everyone is asking us for much more detailed and internal information.

EDIT
I agree with you 100% we were really just trying to get the word out and let everyone know there was going to be announcements in a week. Just trying to provide the community with a heads up. I am not at all upset about the feedback we received all-in-all this has been productive to say the least.
jobebob
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
July 22 2011 08:07 GMT
#198
On July 22 2011 16:51 NeSE wrote:
Joebob, the moral of the story here is if YOU do not believe it is legit even after all the announcements DON'T REGISTER. We are looking to provide the best gaming environment on the internet to people who are open to the atmosphere. If you're a negative nancy, why even get involved at all? Just mind your own and go on about your business...


Dannie (can I call you Dannie?), I'm trying to help you out here. I don't want you to stay as some random waiter for a lame ass club in vegas. I want to help you get into the SC2 business! I suggest you build up some credibility.Get a small scale tournament going, make a good show and then maybe we can take your claims for more than just a pile of horseshit. The reason I'm being a negative nancy is that I have an aversion to asshole trying to scam the players I enjoy watching.
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
July 22 2011 08:08 GMT
#199
Honestly, payout structure isn't ever considered internal information. People don't sign up for mystery prizes.
GET SM4SHED
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
July 22 2011 08:12 GMT
#200
On July 22 2011 17:02 NeSE wrote:
That is called a Personal Problem.


No, it's called being suspicious of a corporation that refuses to be named and is willing to spit out stupidly huge amounts of money with no promise for any kind of roi on it.
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