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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 06:56 GMT
#141
G2Wolf, I said you DID link other items, please try to read more carefully. Also, as I said before that is not something I was even aware of but I guarantee if you attempt to register at the link you provided your registration process absolutely will not complete. I can 100% assure you of this as this is much more involved with a merchant terminal than just a "Pay Now" button.
NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 06:58:29
July 22 2011 06:57 GMT
#142
On July 22 2011 15:55 crojar wrote:
I'm basing that on these claims:

-Players who win the first round of the tournament will be awarded 20 credits to their account and each round won by a player will show as credits equal to dollars (1 credit = 1 dollar). Once a player has either been eliminated or won that tournament and advanced to the NE-SE Playoffs, they will receive payment for all the prize money they earned throughout that tournament.

-The system will continue on in this fashion where 25% of all participants in each round will be deemed winners and advance further until we reach 50 players or teams.

-At 50 players or teams we will transition from a multiple bracket system into a round robin setting. Then, those 50 players or teams will compete day by day in scheduled, arranged matches for a two week time period.

Maybe I will re-read, perhaps I made a mistake.


That is 100% correct, I have to be completely honest with you I really don't seem to be completely understanding your system. So far all the systems I've seen posted up here are much more complicated than what you see in our office.
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 22 2011 06:59 GMT
#143
I read the whole thing and I kind of feel bad for the guy. The way I see it this will go one of two ways. One: everything will go just like he says the first of August and everything will be hunky dory, and we will have an awesome tournament to look forward to. Two: Blizzard doesn't announce anything on the appointed day and it is confirmed as a scam (which at this point I'm inclined to believe the former). Either way nothing is going to be accomplished by raking the poor man over the coals right now. You're asking him to post a contract between the group and Blizzard on an internet forum? I would never do that. So how about we all take a step back and wait for proof.
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 06:59 GMT
#144
On July 22 2011 15:48 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 15:44 NeSE wrote:

You can continue to list these same things over and over again, but frankly you have proven your level intelligence quite clearly. I absolutely pasted a section of our Blizzard Agreement and your incompetence was displayed when you suggested that was "bogus information". Since I am sitting here staring at the document that is signed by Michael Morhaime in two sections dated December 2nd, 2010.


Oh yours was signed by Michael Morhaime? I'm jealous because ours wasn't hahahhaha

How deep you want to dig this hole man?


You are literally telling me that I am lying when I say whose signature is on our Organizer License Agreement?
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 07:01:29
July 22 2011 07:00 GMT
#145
I'm so happy you pm'ed me a phony license agreement, now let me show you your bad editing skills:
BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

This Blizzard Entertainment Tournament Agreement (the ‘”Agreement”) is entered into as of September 16, 2010 (the “Effective Date”), by and between Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (collectively referred to herein as "Blizzard"), with an address at 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 96218, and Silentium Enterprises, LLC (“Organizer”), a limited liability company organized in the state of Nevada, with an address at 848 North Rainbow Blvd #210, Las Vegas, NV, 89107, and organizer and marketer of the Silentium Tournaments, with respect to the following:

1. The Promotion. Organizer will host a series of StarCraft® II Tournaments, that will be played on Blizzard’s Battle.net® service, with residents of the countries of the United States (the “Territory”) being eligible to participate in the Tournament, beginning on or about the Effective Date and ending on or about July 31, 2012 (collectively, the “Tournament”).

You forgot the edit the agreement start date before you sent it to me. Might want to fix that next time ok?

And yes I know your lying because he doesn't sign the tournament agreements.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
July 22 2011 07:01 GMT
#146
On July 22 2011 15:57 NeSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 15:55 crojar wrote:
I'm basing that on these claims:

-Players who win the first round of the tournament will be awarded 20 credits to their account and each round won by a player will show as credits equal to dollars (1 credit = 1 dollar). Once a player has either been eliminated or won that tournament and advanced to the NE-SE Playoffs, they will receive payment for all the prize money they earned throughout that tournament.

-The system will continue on in this fashion where 25% of all participants in each round will be deemed winners and advance further until we reach 50 players or teams.

-At 50 players or teams we will transition from a multiple bracket system into a round robin setting. Then, those 50 players or teams will compete day by day in scheduled, arranged matches for a two week time period.

Maybe I will re-read, perhaps I made a mistake.


That is 100% correct, I have to be completely honest with you I really don't seem to be completely understanding your system. So far all the systems I've seen posted up here are much more complicated than what you see in our office.


to be honest the format itself is quite complicated, and if there was a "simple explanation" that was set up in some shack, it should have seriously been posted here instead of just leaving the slogan "25% of all players win!!1 yay!!111!!".

Your past history with that other tournament does not help, and it does not help that you sort of skip past points of contention by saying "it will be answered later", or answering confusingly. I hope for your own sake that this is cleared up soon, because it very much so resembles a ponzi/pyramid scheme.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Corvette
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States433 Posts
July 22 2011 07:02 GMT
#147
On July 22 2011 15:59 mavsfan0041 wrote:
I read the whole thing and I kind of feel bad for the guy. The way I see it this will go one of two ways. One: everything will go just like he says the first of August and everything will be hunky dory, and we will have an awesome tournament to look forward to. Two: Blizzard doesn't announce anything on the appointed day and it is confirmed as a scam (which at this point I'm inclined to believe the former). Either way nothing is going to be accomplished by raking the poor man over the coals right now. You're asking him to post a contract between the group and Blizzard on an internet forum? I would never do that. So how about we all take a step back and wait for proof.


Really this is what we should do, if you are nervous about a scam, then wait for the official announcement by blizzard

if the announcement never comes, then we all know it was a scam

and really I hope that this is a legitimate tournament
crojar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States59 Posts
July 22 2011 07:02 GMT
#148
Yea, if it's so simple, please do us all a favor and explain, then post it on your website. It's just confusing me.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 22 2011 07:02 GMT
#149
On July 22 2011 16:00 pHaRSiDE wrote:
I'm so happy you pm'ed me a phony license agreement, now let me show you your bad editing skills:
BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

This Blizzard Entertainment Tournament Agreement (the ‘”Agreement”) is entered into as of September 16, 2010 (the “Effective Date”), by and between Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (collectively referred to herein as "Blizzard"), with an address at 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 96218, and Silentium Enterprises, LLC (“Organizer”), a limited liability company organized in the state of Nevada, with an address at 848 North Rainbow Blvd #210, Las Vegas, NV, 89107, and organizer and marketer of the Silentium Tournaments, with respect to the following:

1. The Promotion. Organizer will host a series of StarCraft® II Tournaments, that will be played on Blizzard’s Battle.net® service, with residents of the countries of the United States (the “Territory”) being eligible to participate in the Tournament, beginning on or about the Effective Date and ending on or about July 31, 2012 (collectively, the “Tournament”).

You forgot the edit the agreement start date before you sent it to me. Might want to fix that next time ok?

And yes I know your lying because he doesn't sign the tournament agreements.


What makes us believe he sent you anything?
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
July 22 2011 07:03 GMT
#150
On July 22 2011 16:00 pHaRSiDE wrote:
I'm so happy you pm'ed me a phony license agreement, now let me show you your bad editing skills:
BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

This Blizzard Entertainment Tournament Agreement (the ‘”Agreement”) is entered into as of September 16, 2010 (the “Effective Date”), by and between Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (collectively referred to herein as "Blizzard"), with an address at 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 96218, and Silentium Enterprises, LLC (“Organizer”), a limited liability company organized in the state of Nevada, with an address at 848 North Rainbow Blvd #210, Las Vegas, NV, 89107, and organizer and marketer of the Silentium Tournaments, with respect to the following:

1. The Promotion. Organizer will host a series of StarCraft® II Tournaments, that will be played on Blizzard’s Battle.net® service, with residents of the countries of the United States (the “Territory”) being eligible to participate in the Tournament, beginning on or about the Effective Date and ending on or about July 31, 2012 (collectively, the “Tournament”).

You forgot the edit the agreement start date before you sent it to me. Might want to fix that next time ok?

And yes I know your lying because he doesn't sign the tournament agreements.


Well I guess problem's solved now, and we can go on watching real SC2 tournaments :D
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 07:04 GMT
#151
On July 22 2011 16:00 pHaRSiDE wrote:
I'm so happy you pm'ed me a phony license agreement, now let me show you your bad editing skills:
BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

This Blizzard Entertainment Tournament Agreement (the ‘”Agreement”) is entered into as of September 16, 2010 (the “Effective Date”), by and between Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (collectively referred to herein as "Blizzard"), with an address at 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 96218, and Silentium Enterprises, LLC (“Organizer”), a limited liability company organized in the state of Nevada, with an address at 848 North Rainbow Blvd #210, Las Vegas, NV, 89107, and organizer and marketer of the Silentium Tournaments, with respect to the following:

1. The Promotion. Organizer will host a series of StarCraft® II Tournaments, that will be played on Blizzard’s Battle.net® service, with residents of the countries of the United States (the “Territory”) being eligible to participate in the Tournament, beginning on or about the Effective Date and ending on or about July 31, 2012 (collectively, the “Tournament”).

You forgot the edit the agreement start date before you sent it to me. Might want to fix that next time ok?

And yes I know your lying because he doesn't sign the tournament agreements.


You are clearly EXTREMELY dense, it has been stated SEVERAL times throughout this thread that we entered into our agreement with Blizzard OVER 17 MONTHS AGO. The end date of the agreement was redlined to update our contract, but there is no need to change the effective date. Do you feel as though you are making progress?
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
July 22 2011 07:06 GMT
#152
On July 22 2011 16:02 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:00 pHaRSiDE wrote:
I'm so happy you pm'ed me a phony license agreement, now let me show you your bad editing skills:
BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

This Blizzard Entertainment Tournament Agreement (the ‘”Agreement”) is entered into as of September 16, 2010 (the “Effective Date”), by and between Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (collectively referred to herein as "Blizzard"), with an address at 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 96218, and Silentium Enterprises, LLC (“Organizer”), a limited liability company organized in the state of Nevada, with an address at 848 North Rainbow Blvd #210, Las Vegas, NV, 89107, and organizer and marketer of the Silentium Tournaments, with respect to the following:

1. The Promotion. Organizer will host a series of StarCraft® II Tournaments, that will be played on Blizzard’s Battle.net® service, with residents of the countries of the United States (the “Territory”) being eligible to participate in the Tournament, beginning on or about the Effective Date and ending on or about July 31, 2012 (collectively, the “Tournament”).

You forgot the edit the agreement start date before you sent it to me. Might want to fix that next time ok?

And yes I know your lying because he doesn't sign the tournament agreements.


What makes us believe he sent you anything?



Screenshot posted here:

[image loading]
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 07:08:09
July 22 2011 07:07 GMT
#153
It clearly states that we reserve the right to host a tournament starting on the "EFFECTIVE DATE" of September 16th, 2010 and ending anywhere between the EFFECTIVE DATE and July 31st, 2012.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but are we not within that time line?
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 22 2011 07:07 GMT
#154
On July 22 2011 16:06 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:02 MonkSEA wrote:
On July 22 2011 16:00 pHaRSiDE wrote:
I'm so happy you pm'ed me a phony license agreement, now let me show you your bad editing skills:
BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

This Blizzard Entertainment Tournament Agreement (the ‘”Agreement”) is entered into as of September 16, 2010 (the “Effective Date”), by and between Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (collectively referred to herein as "Blizzard"), with an address at 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 96218, and Silentium Enterprises, LLC (“Organizer”), a limited liability company organized in the state of Nevada, with an address at 848 North Rainbow Blvd #210, Las Vegas, NV, 89107, and organizer and marketer of the Silentium Tournaments, with respect to the following:

1. The Promotion. Organizer will host a series of StarCraft® II Tournaments, that will be played on Blizzard’s Battle.net® service, with residents of the countries of the United States (the “Territory”) being eligible to participate in the Tournament, beginning on or about the Effective Date and ending on or about July 31, 2012 (collectively, the “Tournament”).

You forgot the edit the agreement start date before you sent it to me. Might want to fix that next time ok?

And yes I know your lying because he doesn't sign the tournament agreements.


What makes us believe he sent you anything?



Screenshot posted here:

[image loading]


And now if you'd kindly read a post above yours, the NeSE guy has said why it's set as September
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NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 07:10 GMT
#155
This guy is blowing my mind, I can't believe how heavily he is challenging our contract... Do I appear as if I would draft such a document illegally? Does that seem as though it can be profitable? Would I attempt to promote an organization that was THIS fraudulent? Why would I have wasted my time posting on a forum like Team Liquid?

The craziest part is, the NeSE as an organization was excited to present our first formal announcement of our own on Team Liquid this afternoon. "Oh the irony"
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 22 2011 07:11 GMT
#156
On July 22 2011 16:06 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 16:02 MonkSEA wrote:
On July 22 2011 16:00 pHaRSiDE wrote:
I'm so happy you pm'ed me a phony license agreement, now let me show you your bad editing skills:
BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

This Blizzard Entertainment Tournament Agreement (the ‘”Agreement”) is entered into as of September 16, 2010 (the “Effective Date”), by and between Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (collectively referred to herein as "Blizzard"), with an address at 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 96218, and Silentium Enterprises, LLC (“Organizer”), a limited liability company organized in the state of Nevada, with an address at 848 North Rainbow Blvd #210, Las Vegas, NV, 89107, and organizer and marketer of the Silentium Tournaments, with respect to the following:

1. The Promotion. Organizer will host a series of StarCraft® II Tournaments, that will be played on Blizzard’s Battle.net® service, with residents of the countries of the United States (the “Territory”) being eligible to participate in the Tournament, beginning on or about the Effective Date and ending on or about July 31, 2012 (collectively, the “Tournament”).

You forgot the edit the agreement start date before you sent it to me. Might want to fix that next time ok?

And yes I know your lying because he doesn't sign the tournament agreements.


What makes us believe he sent you anything?



Screenshot posted here:

[image loading]

I fail to see anything wrong with this?
R.I.P. CheckSix
NeSE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States87 Posts
July 22 2011 07:12 GMT
#157
He is just posting the screen shot as proof I sent it to him, even though I never denied sending it, because I did, and what I sent, clearly proves our legitimacy.
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 22 2011 07:13 GMT
#158
On July 22 2011 16:12 NeSE wrote:
He is just posting the screen shot as proof I sent it to him, even though I never denied sending it, because I did, and what I sent, clearly proves our legitimacy.

I mean he's claiming that this proves that you guys are a fake, but there's nothing in it that seems amiss...
R.I.P. CheckSix
crojar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States59 Posts
July 22 2011 07:14 GMT
#159
"With this system you are randomly placed up against your opponents and if you can manage a 6-0 record you can win seven times the amount of money you started with as your entry fee."

So I did some more reading and I came across this statement. Looking at the excel posts I made here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245230&currentpage=7#138), that seems to hold true.

Win your first 6 games == Get out of first 3 rounds. Thus you get paid 20+40+80 = 140 = 7 * 20. So how is that wrong? Sorry, just trying to understand more clearly.
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 07:17:55
July 22 2011 07:14 GMT
#160
On July 22 2011 16:10 NeSE wrote:
This guy is blowing my mind, I can't believe how heavily he is challenging our contract... Do I appear as if I would draft such a document illegally? Does that seem as though it can be profitable? Would I attempt to promote an organization that was THIS fraudulent? Why would I have wasted my time posting on a forum like Team Liquid?

The craziest part is, the NeSE as an organization was excited to present our first formal announcement of our own on Team Liquid this afternoon. "Oh the irony"


Oh I'm dense, then explained how you avoided this clause in a REAL license agreement:

5. Term. This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address
and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for
one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You: (a)
commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder; (b) make
or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization,
readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to
relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency; (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business
or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent. In such an event,
all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You
shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the
Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.
----------
When your first tournament failed and you made a new one, you are required to draft a new agreement. And if you are truely stupid, that means your effective start date would be the NEW date, not the old one.
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