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On July 18 2011 18:59 VashTS wrote:
*sigh*
This is depressing.. And Tal'darim has pretty wide pathways. I haven;t seen PvP on it in a while, but does the basic "you can't hold the ramp with 1 FF, so you must 4gate" rule apply here, or no because the map is generally larger? (Not that that matters much, since proxy Pylon + Warp Gate..)
MC had a pretty sick game on Taldarim where he held the choke with 2 FF's versus XiaoT
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Whenever a PvP would normally occur, one player should be assigned Terran and the other should be assigned Zerg. Since it's a bo7 they should switch after every set.
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On July 18 2011 18:57 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:56 wolfy4033 wrote:
So, I haven't really seen much pro sc2. Is 4gate all you do in pvp or what? It's significantly harder to defend 4gate than it is to execute, so yeah, 4gate is pretty common. Sometimes you both 4gate, and then go 4gate blink/4gate robo.
I get it, thanks!
At least the micro is kinda exciting! I dont really know any of these players, but I recognize Puzzle's clan so Im rooting on him!
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I am hoping for a non-4-Gate Pact that all Protoss have to sign when going up against their fellow race. I actually like long PvP games, get interesting after the 10 min mark. Oh well, they are still decent games, but like someone else already said, it feels like I'm watching PvP 3 or 4 seasons back.
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just tuning in, can i get a one comment summary?
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Tassadar is doing the MC build; Do anything to win, who cares if it bores the audience ?
Yeah he might get to Code S but I sure as hell won't be cheering him on when he gets there...
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On July 18 2011 18:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:57 Plexa wrote:On July 18 2011 18:53 Haydin wrote:On July 18 2011 18:35 zerat00l wrote:
Korea called. The 4 gate is still broken. Homestory Cup and Naniwa/MC/Huk called. The problem is not 4 gate. I'd really like to see top 4 and finals get played on the same day. Less prep time for a single match seems like it makes a big difference concerning the quality of games. Just look at MLG, Homestory, Dreamhack, NASL, and even weekly tournaments (including the korean one). Great finals consistently, unlike the GSL. I disagree with that. PvP is just a really really dumb matchup. You require absolute precision to defend a 4gate vs non-4gate at this level so why take the risk? Play it safe and 4gate back, it's the smart thing to do in a final like this. I think this final would look more or less the same regardless of preptime. Well I feel like if you 4 gate vs 4 gate, your chances of winning are maybe 60% even if you are a lot better because the initial engagement decides everything. A well executed 3 gate robotics build can work, as well as an earlier twilight build with the ramp advantage + a sentry.
with buildings at ramp so you can FF zealots that are warped in, i think you can hold a well done 4gate, but its hard.
And @homestory comment, thats partly because both players went 1gate tech, we didnt see any 1gate tech v straight up 4gate
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On July 18 2011 19:01 enigamI wrote:
just tuning in, can i get a one comment summary?
4 gate vs 4 gate.
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Are we going to see 7 games that both players are only 4 gating ?...it is ruining e-sport
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On July 18 2011 19:00 Yew wrote:
Is mountain dew a pepsi product or coke?
pepsi
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On July 18 2011 19:01 enigamI wrote:
just tuning in, can i get a one comment summary?
4gate is pretty good in PvP
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On July 18 2011 19:01 enigamI wrote:
just tuning in, can i get a one comment summary?
4gate
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On July 18 2011 19:00 Drazerk wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Puzzle vs Tassadar First map is dual sight Game one has now started In the Left position is Tassadar While in the right position is Puzzle 1:40Gateway from both but tassadar's is earlier 2:10 Both players taking their gas 3:00Zealot for both players along with a cyber core 3:20Second gas for puzzle Warp gate for tassadar 4:20Three more gateways for Tasadar Puzzle only getting two more 5:10Pylons going up in puzzle's base 6:00Stalkers inside the base of puzzle 6:45 GG from puzzle
Practically a night off for you Drazerk... just copy and paste 4gate build order for both players, and say who wins at the end. 
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On July 18 2011 19:01 enigamI wrote:
just tuning in, can i get a one comment summary?
4gate
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On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring
PvP for worst matchup its one of the best match ups imo. ZvZ is terrible, TvT is pretty bland, TvZ is depressing PvT is good, prob best PvZ i still dont understand.
Im sorry, what? What is so depressing about TvZ? In my opinion its probably the matchup I enjoy watching the most.
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This has been awesome to watch, but still, so much 4gate...
I totally thought after a week of preparation for each other they would have had something interesting planned but it seems not.
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On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring
PvP for worst matchup its one of the best match ups imo. ZvZ is terrible, TvT is pretty bland, TvZ is depressing PvT is good, prob best PvZ i still dont understand.
agree with this. although I like all mirror matchups as they're at least balanced.
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On July 18 2011 19:01 FarbrorAbavna wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:58 bittman wrote:On July 18 2011 18:53 Gamegene wrote:
Sigh... what was all that about "PvP is evolving out of 4-gate." T___T Think it still needs a patch to have other build orders more viable. Not to kill the 4 gate, just something which makes the 4g a riskier build. As it is, 4gate in PvP isn't risky, it's a 1 base all-in with no risk unless your opponent 4 gates. doesnt need a patch, it needs players that are good enough. It's been almost two months now that we've seen plenty of pvp from players that are good enough to make anyone who 4gates look like they belong in diamond but these two not so much. This time it's the players not the game.
What are you talking about lol?
Puzzle is a monster protoss...
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On July 18 2011 18:57 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:53 Haydin wrote:On July 18 2011 18:35 zerat00l wrote:
Korea called. The 4 gate is still broken. Homestory Cup and Naniwa/MC/Huk called. The problem is not 4 gate. I'd really like to see top 4 and finals get played on the same day. Less prep time for a single match seems like it makes a big difference concerning the quality of games. Just look at MLG, Homestory, Dreamhack, NASL, and even weekly tournaments (including the korean one). Great finals consistently, unlike the GSL. I disagree with that. PvP is just a really really dumb matchup. You require absolute precision to defend a 4gate vs non-4gate at this level so why take the risk? Play it safe and 4gate back, it's the smart thing to do in a final like this. I think this final would look more or less the same regardless of preptime.
You also need precision to defend a 4-gate with a 4-gate. Or to use/defend against blink stalkers. I think PvP is a matchup where you can get really punished for making mistakes with anything, and I don't think any one of the popular builds significantly are more succeptable to it than any others.
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On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring
PvP for worst matchup its one of the best match ups imo. ZvZ is terrible, TvT is pretty bland, TvZ is depressing PvT is good, prob best PvZ i still dont understand.
I dont think many will agree to this. ZvZ is alot more exiting then this, atleast when its only 4gate all the time. ZvZ goes to lategame ALOT more often then PvP.
TvT bland? TvT is an awsome MU, it has soooo many different viable openings. Sure, lategame is mostly tanks until the BC transition but still, alot more variety then PvP.
TvZ is a matchup that have brought us an ridicolous amount of epic games, cant see how this is depressing in any way.
PvT is probably the best, this I agree on.
PvZ aswell has tons of awsome games under its belt, PvP has 80% 4gates and it gets old quickly.
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