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chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#701
yup every game will be 4 gate. this will be the shortest finals ever.
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#702
On July 18 2011 19:01 enigamI wrote:
just tuning in, can i get a one comment summary?


4 gate vs 4 gate, 4 gate wins : 2-2.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#703
On July 18 2011 19:02 L3g3nd_ wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:57 Plexa wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:53 Haydin wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:35 zerat00l wrote:
Korea called. The 4 gate is still broken.


Homestory Cup and Naniwa/MC/Huk called. The problem is not 4 gate.

I'd really like to see top 4 and finals get played on the same day. Less prep time for a single match seems like it makes a big difference concerning the quality of games. Just look at MLG, Homestory, Dreamhack, NASL, and even weekly tournaments (including the korean one). Great finals consistently, unlike the GSL.

I disagree with that. PvP is just a really really dumb matchup. You require absolute precision to defend a 4gate vs non-4gate at this level so why take the risk? Play it safe and 4gate back, it's the smart thing to do in a final like this. I think this final would look more or less the same regardless of preptime.


Well I feel like if you 4 gate vs 4 gate, your chances of winning are maybe 60% even if you are a lot better because the initial engagement decides everything.

A well executed 3 gate robotics build can work, as well as an earlier twilight build with the ramp advantage + a sentry.

with buildings at ramp so you can FF zealots that are warped in, i think you can hold a well done 4gate, but its hard.

And @homestory comment, thats partly because both players went 1gate tech, we didnt see any 1gate tech v straight up 4gate

Pretty much. No one like playing 4gate, so when both you and your opponent mutually agree to not 4gate then things open up and become interesting. But make no mistake, 4gate is still the standard strategy. I'm totally stealing puzzles build in game 3 tho ^_^
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branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#704
Yes Wolf, I've played PvP before >:[
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#705
On July 18 2011 19:00 phyren wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:57 Plexa wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:53 Haydin wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:35 zerat00l wrote:
Korea called. The 4 gate is still broken.


Homestory Cup and Naniwa/MC/Huk called. The problem is not 4 gate.

I'd really like to see top 4 and finals get played on the same day. Less prep time for a single match seems like it makes a big difference concerning the quality of games. Just look at MLG, Homestory, Dreamhack, NASL, and even weekly tournaments (including the korean one). Great finals consistently, unlike the GSL.

I disagree with that. PvP is just a really really dumb matchup. You require absolute precision to defend a 4gate vs non-4gate at this level so why take the risk? Play it safe and 4gate back, it's the smart thing to do in a final like this. I think this final would look more or less the same regardless of preptime.


I think it's just Tassadar. Essentially suiciding those first units to get the pylon in the main seem very strong. However, it means that he basically auto-loses if puzzle also 4 gates. If he didn't go so aggressive and tried to save the initial 2 until warp ins, then a number of non 4 gate builds would be viable.


Indeed that suicidal attempt was really dumb in my opinion. A good way to play it off imo is just retreat if you see the 4 gate, get a second gas, add a couple probes, and go heavier stalker. The only problem there is, if they choose to play more greedy theyľl go for blink and youľl die.

I dont think he could retreat though because he assumed that Puzzle had a proxy pylon.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#706
On July 18 2011 19:00 Dommk wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:57 Dfgj wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:56 wolfy4033 wrote:
So, I haven't really seen much pro sc2. Is 4gate all you do in pvp or what?

It's significantly harder to defend 4gate than it is to execute, so yeah, 4gate is pretty common. Sometimes you both 4gate, and then go 4gate blink/4gate robo.

No it isn't.

People only 4gate non-stop if they feel they are the inferior player. There isn't much one person can do when the other side is dedicating to the 4gate, but it isn't significantly harder to defend.

That's the point. The safest way to defend a 4gate is to 4gate yourself, because holding 4gates with anything less can be very fragile.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#707
I understand Blizzard wanting to differentiate Protoss unit construction mechanics from Terran, but did they have to do it in a way that completely eliminates defender's advantage at the 6 minute mark with one cheap upgrade? Seriously, if both these players spawned in the same base these games wouldn't look any different.
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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#708
On July 18 2011 19:01 Plexa wrote:
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On July 18 2011 19:00 Dommk wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:57 Dfgj wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:56 wolfy4033 wrote:
So, I haven't really seen much pro sc2. Is 4gate all you do in pvp or what?

It's significantly harder to defend 4gate than it is to execute, so yeah, 4gate is pretty common. Sometimes you both 4gate, and then go 4gate blink/4gate robo.

No it isn't.

People only 4gate non-stop if they feel they are the inferior player. There isn't much one person can do when the other side is dedicating to the 4gate, but it isn't significantly harder to defend.
Uh. That's just not true....

I said Non-stop. In a BoX you usually have some variation, i.e Blink. There really isn't any other reason to not go blink from opening 4gate unless you feel you are inferior
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#709
On July 18 2011 19:03 chatuka wrote:
yup every game will be 4 gate. this will be the shortest finals ever.

Shortest Code A finals you mean...there have been some very very quick Code S finals.
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#710
Wolf ranting at you PvP haters lol
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FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#711
On July 18 2011 19:01 Failsafe wrote:
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On July 18 2011 19:01 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:58 bittman wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:53 Gamegene wrote:
Sigh... what was all that about "PvP is evolving out of 4-gate." T___T


Think it still needs a patch to have other build orders more viable. Not to kill the 4 gate, just something which makes the 4g a riskier build. As it is, 4gate in PvP isn't risky, it's a 1 base all-in with no risk unless your opponent 4 gates.

doesnt need a patch, it needs players that are good enough. It's been almost two months now that we've seen plenty of pvp from players that are good enough to make anyone who 4gates look like they belong in diamond but these two not so much. This time it's the players not the game.


yeah, obviously. code a finalists suck.

they dont suck, they got here through playing good. Their pvp though isnt really up to snuff. Watch a pvp with naniwa, mc or huk playing a similarly good player and you will be blown away when comparing it to what we are watching now.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#712
On July 18 2011 19:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring

PvP for worst matchup

its one of the best match ups imo.

ZvZ is terrible,

TvT is pretty bland,

TvZ is depressing

PvT is good, prob best

PvZ i still dont understand.


WHAT?

TvT is bland?

nonense.


Some people think a 6 min game with 1 attack is more enjoyable than a 30 min game with 10 attacks, 5 harassments, tech switches and swings in the lead are bland.

Still think PvP is indeed the worst matchup. Between two really good players its good, between the rest it's just as Wolf is talking about now: zealot + stalker + probe vs zealot + stalker + probe
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L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#713
On July 18 2011 19:02 Krehlmar wrote:
Tassadar is doing the MC build; Do anything to win, who cares if it bores the audience ?

Yeah he might get to Code S but I sure as hell won't be cheering him on when he gets there...

find me ONE player that would do an "entertaining" match over a winning match in an important finals. Its not like hes being a dick. i want to see players going 100% to win, not going 80% but being slightly more "entertaining"

Also the micro in these matches has been very entertaining, if you dont like it, thats your loss.
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Invadris
Profile Joined February 2011
United States164 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#714
Is he looking for a good response when asked, " have you played pvp before?"... xD
xD
Dragonmaster26
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia311 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#715
I think NsHoseo might all suck at PvP (look at San) so they told Tassadar to 4 Gate every game.
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#716
I have problem with "As Gomstreamer failed to install, you cannot play....". How can I fix it? I tried to download install gomstreamer directly, but it did not work. HELP!
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#717
On July 18 2011 19:04 Kiyo. wrote:
Wolf ranting at you PvP haters lol


The man speaks the truth dammit ! Its hard... doesnt mean its good
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#718
lol no Wolf I haven't played PvP cause I'm Terran.

We just want something to go late game for once. Or at least more than 10 minutes.
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Metaltoss
Profile Joined April 2011
France781 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#719
On July 18 2011 19:03 doffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring

PvP for worst matchup

its one of the best match ups imo.

ZvZ is terrible,

TvT is pretty bland,

TvZ is depressing

PvT is good, prob best

PvZ i still dont understand.


I dont think many will agree to this. ZvZ is alot more exiting then this, atleast when its only 4gate all the time. ZvZ goes to lategame ALOT more often then PvP.

TvT bland? TvT is an awsome MU, it has soooo many different viable openings. Sure, lategame is mostly tanks until the BC transition but still, alot more variety then PvP.

TvZ is a matchup that have brought us an ridicolous amount of epic games, cant see how this is depressing in any way.

PvT is probably the best, this I agree on.

PvZ aswell has tons of awsome games under its belt, PvP has 80% 4gates and it gets old quickly.



Can we all just agree that we have different opinions instead of posting rebuttals to troll posts?

Some enjoy PvP, some don't.

End of story.
Fenrir-Vice
Profile Joined May 2010
United States123 Posts
July 18 2011 10:04 GMT
#720
On July 18 2011 19:04 Kiyo. wrote:
Wolf ranting at you PvP haters lol


you mean the 4gate haters?
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