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chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#661
i wonder if they can block the main entrance with a building. there by eliminate this cheese
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#662
On July 18 2011 18:58 Pyre wrote:
remove warpgate from PvP games


that's a dangerous door to open. most definitely not the way to go about balancing a game.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#663
On July 18 2011 18:58 Fenrir-Vice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:56 starcraft2rush wrote:
does anyone else here wanna flip a coin for 1500 dollars...


I giggled, but it isn't build order wins, its going by pure micro skill... just boring to watch is all imho

I would hate to have to cast this series, i mean after the 3rd 4 gate, honestly what do you say?



You turn the game into a Song.

A one gate 2 gate 3 gate 4
Stalker zealot knocking at your door.

All set to a caribbean theme
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#664
On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring

PvP for worst matchup

its one of the best match ups imo.

ZvZ is terrible,

TvT is pretty bland,

TvZ is depressing

PvT is good, prob best

PvZ i still dont understand.

ZvZ microing speedlings and banes on creep is much crazier to watch than just stalker/zealot zzzzzzzzz.
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 10:01:01
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#665
I really hope that Puzzle can win this. He's just wayyyy better player than Tassadar and really deserves that Code S spot..
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 10:01:08
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#666
On July 18 2011 18:57 Dfgj wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:56 wolfy4033 wrote:
So, I haven't really seen much pro sc2. Is 4gate all you do in pvp or what?

It's significantly harder to defend 4gate than it is to execute, so yeah, 4gate is pretty common. Sometimes you both 4gate, and then go 4gate blink/4gate robo.

No it isn't.

People only 4gate non-stop if they feel they are the inferior player. There isn't much one person can do when the other side is dedicating to the 4gate, but it isn't significantly harder to defend.

Longer games favor the better player, which is Puzzle in this case, so Tassadar most likely just doesn't ever want to let the game go that far. No doubt he never goes blink, which really, unless you have 300+apm, you aren't going to be able to keep up with the Stalker micro of Puzzle.

It sucks that games end this way of one side just really wants to 4gate, Puzzle has never pushed the issue, just opened 4gates into blink, Tassadar just doesn't feel confident to play Puzzle in anything other than 4gate
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#667
On July 18 2011 18:57 Plexa wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:53 Haydin wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:35 zerat00l wrote:
Korea called. The 4 gate is still broken.


Homestory Cup and Naniwa/MC/Huk called. The problem is not 4 gate.

I'd really like to see top 4 and finals get played on the same day. Less prep time for a single match seems like it makes a big difference concerning the quality of games. Just look at MLG, Homestory, Dreamhack, NASL, and even weekly tournaments (including the korean one). Great finals consistently, unlike the GSL.

I disagree with that. PvP is just a really really dumb matchup. You require absolute precision to defend a 4gate vs non-4gate at this level so why take the risk? Play it safe and 4gate back, it's the smart thing to do in a final like this. I think this final would look more or less the same regardless of preptime.


I think it's just Tassadar. Essentially suiciding those first units to get the pylon in the main seem very strong. However, it means that he basically auto-loses if puzzle also 4 gates. If he didn't go so aggressive and tried to save the initial 2 until warp ins, then a number of non 4 gate builds would be viable.
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#668
Is mountain dew a pepsi product or coke?
Buges
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia25 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#669
I have missed everything so far just tuned in. Is every game just a 4gate?
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#670
On July 18 2011 18:58 bittman wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:53 Gamegene wrote:
Sigh... what was all that about "PvP is evolving out of 4-gate." T___T


Think it still needs a patch to have other build orders more viable. Not to kill the 4 gate, just something which makes the 4g a riskier build. As it is, 4gate in PvP isn't risky, it's a 1 base all-in with no risk unless your opponent 4 gates.

doesnt need a patch, it needs players that are good enough. It's been almost two months now that we've seen plenty of pvp from players that are good enough to make anyone who 4gates look like they belong in diamond but these two not so much. This time it's the players not the game.
Do you really want chat rooms?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#671
On July 18 2011 18:59 AndAgain wrote:
2 problems with PvP:

1. No defenders advantage: that's why it's not really dynamic. Any investment in econ or tech opens up a timing.
2. Difficulty of scouting: that's what makes it so volatile.

That's the way it's going to be without some design changes.


Well you have sentries to split the ramp and if youre on the highground you have a couple free stalker shots.
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Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#672
more than anything i feel sympathy for professional players whose careers are decided by pvp. in bw i felt something for zergs because of zvz, but muta / ling micro and macro was infinitely more complex than sc2 pvp so at least monster gosus like jaedong were able to sustain some incredible records. 4 gate micro, on the other hand, is so damn simple (and requires 0 decision making) that protoss pros are flipping a coin for their career
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#673
On July 18 2011 18:57 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Id much rather watch PvP then ZvZ or TvT , atleast this is action

:/. zvz only sucks for the first 5 minutes than becomes a really good matchup, and tvt is 2nd best matchup in the game IMO to zvt. Did I mention siege tanks are my favorite unit?
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#674
What's the standings? 3-1 for Tassadar?
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Tosho
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia498 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#675
On July 18 2011 18:45 Daralii wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:43 Tosho wrote:
Fast warp gate tech is too strong in pvp imo. They need to make it so units warping in via warp gate take longer to materialise, even just a few seconds would really go a long way to making a dent in this kind of play. I'm not suggesting the unit times get increased, im saying the warp in should take a few more seconds.

To re-balance it a bit into the later game there could be an upgrade say on the robo support bay to decrease the warp in time on gateways and warp prisms. If they did this then players on the defensive could leave their gates shut down to increase their chances at holding attacks in the early game. Warp gates would still be extremely powerful too, fractionally less like having a 4 gates of your own directly in the other guys base.

The problem with this is that we rely so very heavily on being able to quickly warp in units, or we basically lose outright to any early push vZ or T. You would have to significantly buff gateway units to compensate, and then things like proxy 2-gate become that much harder to stop.


I understand what your saying and your more than likely correct it would need some tweaking. However I think in that case a protoss on the defensive early should be able to keep his gates closed and be roughly okay in other matchups too. Either that or there definitely needs to be greater punishments for having a pylon destroyed while the units are warping in off that.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#676
On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring

PvP for worst matchup

its one of the best match ups imo.

ZvZ is terrible,

TvT is pretty bland,

TvZ is depressing

PvT is good, prob best

PvZ i still dont understand.


Thank God you Included that...
TVT is the best mirror by far and PVT is the best matchup right now.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#677
On July 18 2011 19:01 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:58 bittman wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:53 Gamegene wrote:
Sigh... what was all that about "PvP is evolving out of 4-gate." T___T


Think it still needs a patch to have other build orders more viable. Not to kill the 4 gate, just something which makes the 4g a riskier build. As it is, 4gate in PvP isn't risky, it's a 1 base all-in with no risk unless your opponent 4 gates.

doesnt need a patch, it needs players that are good enough. It's been almost two months now that we've seen plenty of pvp from players that are good enough to make anyone who 4gates look like they belong in diamond but these two not so much. This time it's the players not the game.


yeah, obviously. code a finalists suck.
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#678
On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:56 super_toast wrote:
Well guys this isn't really boring

PvP for worst matchup

its one of the best match ups imo.

ZvZ is terrible,

TvT is pretty bland,

TvZ is depressing

PvT is good, prob best

PvZ i still dont understand.



What does it mean for a matchup to be depressing?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
NotSoSerious
Profile Joined August 2010
151 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#679
Yo dawg,i heard you like 4 gates,so i put a warpgate in your cybernetics core so you can warp while you gate.

User was warned for this post
Really?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#680
On July 18 2011 19:00 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:57 Dfgj wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:56 wolfy4033 wrote:
So, I haven't really seen much pro sc2. Is 4gate all you do in pvp or what?

It's significantly harder to defend 4gate than it is to execute, so yeah, 4gate is pretty common. Sometimes you both 4gate, and then go 4gate blink/4gate robo.

No it isn't.

People only 4gate non-stop if they feel they are the inferior player. There isn't much one person can do when the other side is dedicating to the 4gate, but it isn't significantly harder to defend.
Uh. That's just not true....
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