EPT[GSL] July Code A Finals - Page 34
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chatuka
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I)etox
1240 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:58 Pyre wrote: remove warpgate from PvP games  that's a dangerous door to open. most definitely not the way to go about balancing a game. | ||
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:58 Fenrir-Vice wrote: I giggled, but it isn't build order wins, its going by pure micro skill... just boring to watch is all imho I would hate to have to cast this series, i mean after the 3rd 4 gate, honestly what do you say? You turn the game into a Song. A one gate 2 gate 3 gate 4 Stalker zealot knocking at your door. All set to a caribbean theme | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote: its one of the best match ups imo. ZvZ is terrible, TvT is pretty bland, TvZ is depressing PvT is good, prob best PvZ i still dont understand. ZvZ microing speedlings and banes on creep is much crazier to watch than just stalker/zealot zzzzzzzzz. | ||
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TR
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:57 Dfgj wrote: It's significantly harder to defend 4gate than it is to execute, so yeah, 4gate is pretty common. Sometimes you both 4gate, and then go 4gate blink/4gate robo. No it isn't. People only 4gate non-stop if they feel they are the inferior player. There isn't much one person can do when the other side is dedicating to the 4gate, but it isn't significantly harder to defend. Longer games favor the better player, which is Puzzle in this case, so Tassadar most likely just doesn't ever want to let the game go that far. No doubt he never goes blink, which really, unless you have 300+apm, you aren't going to be able to keep up with the Stalker micro of Puzzle. It sucks that games end this way of one side just really wants to 4gate, Puzzle has never pushed the issue, just opened 4gates into blink, Tassadar just doesn't feel confident to play Puzzle in anything other than 4gate | ||
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:57 Plexa wrote: I disagree with that. PvP is just a really really dumb matchup. You require absolute precision to defend a 4gate vs non-4gate at this level so why take the risk? Play it safe and 4gate back, it's the smart thing to do in a final like this. I think this final would look more or less the same regardless of preptime. I think it's just Tassadar. Essentially suiciding those first units to get the pylon in the main seem very strong. However, it means that he basically auto-loses if puzzle also 4 gates. If he didn't go so aggressive and tried to save the initial 2 until warp ins, then a number of non 4 gate builds would be viable. | ||
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Yew
United States940 Posts
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Buges
Australia25 Posts
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:58 bittman wrote: Think it still needs a patch to have other build orders more viable. Not to kill the 4 gate, just something which makes the 4g a riskier build. As it is, 4gate in PvP isn't risky, it's a 1 base all-in with no risk unless your opponent 4 gates. doesnt need a patch, it needs players that are good enough. It's been almost two months now that we've seen plenty of pvp from players that are good enough to make anyone who 4gates look like they belong in diamond but these two not so much. This time it's the players not the game. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:59 AndAgain wrote: 2 problems with PvP: 1. No defenders advantage: that's why it's not really dynamic. Any investment in econ or tech opens up a timing. 2. Difficulty of scouting: that's what makes it so volatile. That's the way it's going to be without some design changes. Well you have sentries to split the ramp and if youre on the highground you have a couple free stalker shots. | ||
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:57 ihasaKAROT wrote: Id much rather watch PvP then ZvZ or TvT , atleast this is action :/. zvz only sucks for the first 5 minutes than becomes a really good matchup, and tvt is 2nd best matchup in the game IMO to zvt. Did I mention siege tanks are my favorite unit? | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
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Tosho
Australia498 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:45 Daralii wrote: The problem with this is that we rely so very heavily on being able to quickly warp in units, or we basically lose outright to any early push vZ or T. You would have to significantly buff gateway units to compensate, and then things like proxy 2-gate become that much harder to stop. I understand what your saying and your more than likely correct it would need some tweaking. However I think in that case a protoss on the defensive early should be able to keep his gates closed and be roughly okay in other matchups too. Either that or there definitely needs to be greater punishments for having a pylon destroyed while the units are warping in off that. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote: its one of the best match ups imo. ZvZ is terrible, TvT is pretty bland, TvZ is depressing PvT is good, prob best PvZ i still dont understand. Thank God you Included that... TVT is the best mirror by far and PVT is the best matchup right now. | ||
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:01 FarbrorAbavna wrote: doesnt need a patch, it needs players that are good enough. It's been almost two months now that we've seen plenty of pvp from players that are good enough to make anyone who 4gates look like they belong in diamond but these two not so much. This time it's the players not the game. yeah, obviously. code a finalists suck. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:59 L3g3nd_ wrote: its one of the best match ups imo. ZvZ is terrible, TvT is pretty bland, TvZ is depressing PvT is good, prob best PvZ i still dont understand. What does it mean for a matchup to be depressing? | ||
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NotSoSerious
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:00 Dommk wrote: Uh. That's just not true....No it isn't. People only 4gate non-stop if they feel they are the inferior player. There isn't much one person can do when the other side is dedicating to the 4gate, but it isn't significantly harder to defend. | ||
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