EPTOn July 09 2011 16:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?
and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?
Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here.
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superjoppe
Sweden3685 Posts
Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:47 shadymmj wrote: This entire tournament is nonsensical, but by far the most aggravating thing is the format. It is flat out horrible for boxer to have to play MC...yes, other players arguably got the shaft too, but this matchup is the standout, considering how July's ZvZ is not that great. They have so many days, yet they still can't go beyond single elimination...it's absurd. Check the new starleague format (groups of 4), that one is much better if you want to save time. Pretty lame critique since bracket was based on seeding form day 1. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/e/e0/NASLGraph.jpg | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) | ||
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:16 superjoppe wrote: Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here. Yep, was perfect in Poland too ( 1080p++ ) | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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BaLoO-
France318 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:42 RykuX wrote: Sir MLG had many many mistakes before they began to correct themselves and truly improve let me direct you to this mans post Yeah they do deserve some slack there's nowhere to go but up from here Technical difficulties are excusable because they happen even in the biggest live events in the world. What isn't excusable is how a tournament with a total of $100.000 prize money and the quality of players available to them have such poor presentation value. Inexperience is an excuse I can swallow when I'm looking at a small tournament, but when (in terms of prize money) it's the smaller tournaments that are actually doing the better job it makes me feel that all the hate is justified. Oh and while learning from your own mistakes is a good thing. Learning from mistakes which others made before you is far better. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select didn't play a Korean, if that's what matters to you... :p And Sen plays mostly on the Korean server AFAIK. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:16 superjoppe wrote: Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here. How when it went on into like 4 in the morning? | ||
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:04 Dingobloo wrote: They started small, it was called the Gosu Coaching Premier League, you might have watched it at some point, it was cast by inControl and Gretorp, It was run by Xeris, the prize pool was paid for in part by revenue gathered from Gosu-coaching that is reinvested in order to ensure a healthy tournament scene because that's a healthy tournament scene is a useful thing toi have when you run a coaching business. Maybe you see where I'm going with this... All the problems they have is not something they could've learned from GCPL. It's production stuff which really has nothing to do with an online league, run by xplit via a skype call and some replays/ingame spectating. All of the production could be saved if they had hired professional production crew. Because from my point of view, all the problems with the finals seem to be people, wanting to do the best, but they are thinking more about the prices, cool videos (and the videos are cool. Big props to the video guy. Actually the best seen yet!) and then it kinda stops. What they needed was a starcraft guy, who knew what other tournaments does from a spectating point of view, and telling a professional crew: "We need that computer with a man spectating. Video feed to that stream and those projecters and sound from these 2 mics on the stage and from ingame. Oh and some pause music, make it epic music! And a sound guy so it sounds awesome" Atm it feels like some guys maybe they had some experience from high school / college broadcasting, but nothing more than they know how the programs work. And thereby doesn't put up a real show. I payed my 25$ at the beginning of the season because i wanted to watch some good starcraft vods. Couldn't bare watch them because of good production. Heard things got better and seeing all the hype that the finals would be impressive. Now i know i wont be paying again, because NASL has the worst production, and there's enough of better stuff everywhere else! | ||
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starcraft2rush
306 Posts
On July 09 2011 15:32 OooLong wrote: Is there a one single person responsible for this debacle? who is the lead organizer? lol......off with his head?? | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:15 Somnolence wrote: OK production values were awful but what about the event itself. I cannot fathom why any non-korean would wish to participate in this event, waste their time battling in groups for months, fly to another country only to be owned in several minutes. "battling for months" consists of 10 3 game matches over 10 weeks. They play 30-60 a day. No big deal. As far as cost, that's why they are on teams who pays for stuff like travel in exchange for them wearing and advertising their warez, again no biggie for a chance at 50K. In general I agree tho that Koreans are pretty much gonna dominate. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:21 valaki wrote: This whole bo3 and if you lose you go home format is just dumb. For example Ret fought like a champ for months, had the best score through the entire NASL and whooooooops after 15 mins, he was out and that was it. There is alot to be asked for from the NASL, but complaining about the format is kinda dumb imho. Sure they put alot of effort into getting into the top 16, but so does everyone in the OSL/MSL aswell, and you dont see double elimination there, and no one complains. Having double elimination and tournament brackets works well for short LAN tournaments, but not for big leagues like this imo. If anything maybe they should've played BO5, but that would take alot of time, and I'm just going to assume that they don't have that time at this finals (which could also be asked for I guess..) | ||
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Absaroka
United States27 Posts
Obviously there were sound issues. I can't believe that either they had no employee assigned to watch the stream for sound/video quality, or if they did, that that employee was incapable of either fixing the issues or communicating them timely to someone who could. (example: the echo issue right after the break). Similarly, how can you not have tested the equipment the night before or the early morning before an event? Ninety minutes of great action jam-packed into 12 hours is frustrating from a viewer standpoint. A best of 5 with more streamlined downtime would make more sense next time. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's games though! | ||
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Shirohige
Germany398 Posts
It was running perfectly smooth here in Germany too. Not a single lag or blackscreen. AWESOME tournament with a few issues. But a real ESPORT / SC2 fan can look past those issues and enjoy the matches. I am really happy for Darkforce and looking forward to his next games. THANK YOU NASL, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, BUT TRY TO WORK ON THOSE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. | ||
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Mi.rai
178 Posts
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:15 Somnolence wrote: OK production values were awful but what about the event itself. I cannot fathom why any non-korean would wish to participate in this event, waste their time battling in groups for months, fly to another country only to be owned in several minutes. So what should they do, tie one hand of the Koreans behind their backs, to give the bad players a fighting chance? If they get owned it's their fault no one else's. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:29 Shirohige wrote: It was running perfectly smooth here in Germany too. Not a single lag or blackscreen. AWESOME tournament with a few issues. But a real ESPORT / SC2 fan can look past those issues and enjoy the matches. I am really happy for Darkforce and looking forward to his next games. THANK YOU NASL, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, BUT TRY TO WORK ON THOSE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. What are you guys talking about? Did you not even read my full post instead of that small part? I'm not talking about the freaking quality I'm talking about how long into the night it went on for. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On July 09 2011 17:21 valaki wrote: This whole bo3 and if you lose you go home format is just dumb. For example Ret fought like a champ for months, had the best score through the entire NASL and whooooooops after 15 mins, he was out and that was it. I just look at it as any other sport. In baseball, basketball, football, or whatever else, there's a regular season and a post season. Once you get to the post season everyone starts from scratch and you play until there's no one else to beat. The NASL regular season format is for people who like scoreboard watching. And the post season is straight up bracket style. How would you change the format? Double elimination? | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
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