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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
July 09 2011 08:16 GMT
#21301
On July 09 2011 16:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?

Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 08:18:32
July 09 2011 08:17 GMT
#21302
On July 09 2011 16:47 shadymmj wrote:
This entire tournament is nonsensical, but by far the most aggravating thing is the format. It is flat out horrible for boxer to have to play MC...yes, other players arguably got the shaft too, but this matchup is the standout, considering how July's ZvZ is not that great. They have so many days, yet they still can't go beyond single elimination...it's absurd. Check the new starleague format (groups of 4), that one is much better if you want to save time.

Pretty lame critique since bracket was based on seeding form day 1.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/e/e0/NASLGraph.jpg
MC for president
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#21303
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)
zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
July 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#21304
On July 09 2011 17:16 superjoppe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?

Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here.


Yep, was perfect in Poland too ( 1080p++ )
I'm getting the derection.
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
July 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#21305
This whole bo3 and if you lose you go home format is just dumb. For example Ret fought like a champ for months, had the best score through the entire NASL and whooooooops after 15 mins, he was out and that was it.
ggaemo fan
BaLoO-
Profile Joined January 2011
France318 Posts
July 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#21306
Just woke up to see DarkForce won, huge props to him.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 08:26:28
July 09 2011 08:22 GMT
#21307
On July 09 2011 16:42 RykuX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:18 Duravi wrote:
Dude wtf? Have you watched any of the regular season? Do you have any idea how massively they improved from week 1 to week 4 even? They are absolutely listening.


yes I actually paid for it. well they did improve they had several problems all season that continue to show their face in the end of season tournament. it has been nowhere near the turnaround MLG had at any point this season. improving from terrible to slightly below average is not something I want to recognize as legitimate improvement, if you do, continue to send money Xeris' and NASL's way next season!


Sir MLG had many many mistakes before they began to correct themselves and truly improve let me direct you to this mans post

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.


Yeah they do deserve some slack there's nowhere to go but up from here


Technical difficulties are excusable because they happen even in the biggest live events in the world. What isn't excusable is how a tournament with a total of $100.000 prize money and the quality of players available to them have such poor presentation value. Inexperience is an excuse I can swallow when I'm looking at a small tournament, but when (in terms of prize money) it's the smaller tournaments that are actually doing the better job it makes me feel that all the hate is justified.

Oh and while learning from your own mistakes is a good thing. Learning from mistakes which others made before you is far better.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
July 09 2011 08:24 GMT
#21308
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select didn't play a Korean, if that's what matters to you... :p

And Sen plays mostly on the Korean server AFAIK.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 09 2011 08:24 GMT
#21309
On July 09 2011 17:16 superjoppe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?

Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here.


How when it went on into like 4 in the morning?
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
July 09 2011 08:25 GMT
#21310
On July 09 2011 17:04 Dingobloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:59 eqez wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.



The thing is you get really irritated at these fuckers just throwing up a bunch of money and hyping a big event WHEN THEY DONT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. Start small ffs, For example the recent HSC was the 3rd HSC, they tried it out first. Dreamhack has been organizign LAN events since the 90. They know they can deliver the tournament they announce. But thats a bit to hard for american ppl. Just like the CGS all again


They started small, it was called the Gosu Coaching Premier League, you might have watched it at some point, it was cast by inControl and Gretorp, It was run by Xeris, the prize pool was paid for in part by revenue gathered from Gosu-coaching that is reinvested in order to ensure a healthy tournament scene because that's a healthy tournament scene is a useful thing toi have when you run a coaching business.

Maybe you see where I'm going with this...


All the problems they have is not something they could've learned from GCPL. It's production stuff which really has nothing to do with an online league, run by xplit via a skype call and some replays/ingame spectating.

All of the production could be saved if they had hired professional production crew. Because from my point of view, all the problems with the finals seem to be people, wanting to do the best, but they are thinking more about the prices, cool videos (and the videos are cool. Big props to the video guy. Actually the best seen yet!) and then it kinda stops.

What they needed was a starcraft guy, who knew what other tournaments does from a spectating point of view, and telling a professional crew: "We need that computer with a man spectating. Video feed to that stream and those projecters and sound from these 2 mics on the stage and from ingame. Oh and some pause music, make it epic music! And a sound guy so it sounds awesome"

Atm it feels like some guys maybe they had some experience from high school / college broadcasting, but nothing more than they know how the programs work. And thereby doesn't put up a real show.

I payed my 25$ at the beginning of the season because i wanted to watch some good starcraft vods. Couldn't bare watch them because of good production. Heard things got better and seeing all the hype that the finals would be impressive. Now i know i wont be paying again, because NASL has the worst production, and there's enough of better stuff everywhere else!
Yeah
starcraft2rush
Profile Joined February 2011
306 Posts
July 09 2011 08:26 GMT
#21311
On July 09 2011 15:32 OooLong wrote:
Is there a one single person responsible for this debacle? who is the lead organizer?


lol......off with his head??
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 09 2011 08:27 GMT
#21312
On July 09 2011 17:15 Somnolence wrote:
OK production values were awful but what about the event itself.

I cannot fathom why any non-korean would wish to participate in this event, waste their time battling in groups for months, fly to another country only to be owned in several minutes.

"battling for months" consists of 10 3 game matches over 10 weeks. They play 30-60 a day. No big deal. As far as cost, that's why they are on teams who pays for stuff like travel in exchange for them wearing and advertising their warez, again no biggie for a chance at 50K. In general I agree tho that Koreans are pretty much gonna dominate.
MC for president
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
July 09 2011 08:27 GMT
#21313
On July 09 2011 17:21 valaki wrote:
This whole bo3 and if you lose you go home format is just dumb. For example Ret fought like a champ for months, had the best score through the entire NASL and whooooooops after 15 mins, he was out and that was it.

There is alot to be asked for from the NASL, but complaining about the format is kinda dumb imho.

Sure they put alot of effort into getting into the top 16, but so does everyone in the OSL/MSL aswell, and you dont see double elimination there, and no one complains. Having double elimination and tournament brackets works well for short LAN tournaments, but not for big leagues like this imo.

If anything maybe they should've played BO5, but that would take alot of time, and I'm just going to assume that they don't have that time at this finals (which could also be asked for I guess..)

Mada Mada Dane
Absaroka
Profile Joined March 2011
United States27 Posts
July 09 2011 08:28 GMT
#21314
The game quality was actually fairly good. The video quality on the stream was nothing short of great.

Obviously there were sound issues. I can't believe that either they had no employee assigned to watch the stream for sound/video quality, or if they did, that that employee was incapable of either fixing the issues or communicating them timely to someone who could. (example: the echo issue right after the break). Similarly, how can you not have tested the equipment the night before or the early morning before an event?

Ninety minutes of great action jam-packed into 12 hours is frustrating from a viewer standpoint. A best of 5 with more streamlined downtime would make more sense next time. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's games though!
Shirohige
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany398 Posts
July 09 2011 08:29 GMT
#21315
On July 09 2011 17:21 zYwi3c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 17:16 superjoppe wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?

Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here.


Yep, was perfect in Poland too ( 1080p++ )

It was running perfectly smooth here in Germany too. Not a single lag or blackscreen.

AWESOME tournament with a few issues. But a real ESPORT / SC2 fan can look past those issues and enjoy the matches. I am really happy for Darkforce and looking forward to his next games.

THANK YOU NASL, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, BUT TRY TO WORK ON THOSE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.
Suffering is good on the path to carnage
Mi.rai
Profile Joined October 2010
178 Posts
July 09 2011 08:30 GMT
#21316
they should at least make the vods free, for the terrible service they have provided thus far.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
July 09 2011 08:30 GMT
#21317
On July 09 2011 17:15 Somnolence wrote:
OK production values were awful but what about the event itself.

I cannot fathom why any non-korean would wish to participate in this event, waste their time battling in groups for months, fly to another country only to be owned in several minutes.


So what should they do, tie one hand of the Koreans behind their backs, to give the bad players a fighting chance? If they get owned it's their fault no one else's.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 09 2011 08:31 GMT
#21318
On July 09 2011 17:29 Shirohige wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 17:21 zYwi3c wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:16 superjoppe wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?

Stop trying to make your experience everyone elses experience. Was perfect here.


Yep, was perfect in Poland too ( 1080p++ )

It was running perfectly smooth here in Germany too. Not a single lag or blackscreen.

AWESOME tournament with a few issues. But a real ESPORT / SC2 fan can look past those issues and enjoy the matches. I am really happy for Darkforce and looking forward to his next games.

THANK YOU NASL, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, BUT TRY TO WORK ON THOSE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.


What are you guys talking about? Did you not even read my full post instead of that small part? I'm not talking about the freaking quality I'm talking about how long into the night it went on for.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
July 09 2011 08:32 GMT
#21319
On July 09 2011 17:21 valaki wrote:
This whole bo3 and if you lose you go home format is just dumb. For example Ret fought like a champ for months, had the best score through the entire NASL and whooooooops after 15 mins, he was out and that was it.


I just look at it as any other sport. In baseball, basketball, football, or whatever else, there's a regular season and a post season. Once you get to the post season everyone starts from scratch and you play until there's no one else to beat. The NASL regular season format is for people who like scoreboard watching. And the post season is straight up bracket style.

How would you change the format? Double elimination?
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
July 09 2011 08:32 GMT
#21320
Darkforce top1 european progamer. :D
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