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xerurg
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine56 Posts
July 09 2011 07:52 GMT
#21281
any vods up yet?
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
July 09 2011 07:54 GMT
#21282
On July 09 2011 12:45 illsick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 12:44 r4pture wrote:
Thisi s the guy who beat Destiny at MLG, and people were talking down to him like he lost to a "no-name". Not saying that now, kids! Darkforce fighting!


wrong guy lol

i think the person who beat destiny was called darkcell or something

yes true , darkfoce wasnt at MLG and nobody called him noname :D
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 09 2011 07:56 GMT
#21283
Do I have to pay for the replays? Even though it started 2 hours late and it was impossible to watch it all for us in Europe?
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
July 09 2011 07:58 GMT
#21284
MUESLIFORCE fightiiiiiing! hope he can beat Sen today x)
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
eqez
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden837 Posts
July 09 2011 07:59 GMT
#21285
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.



The thing is you get really irritated at these fuckers just throwing up a bunch of money and hyping a big event WHEN THEY DONT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. Start small ffs, For example the recent HSC was the 3rd HSC, they tried it out first. Dreamhack has been organizign LAN events since the 90. They know they can deliver the tournament they announce. But thats a bit to hard for american ppl. Just like the CGS all again
pwnopotamus
Profile Joined July 2011
United States70 Posts
July 09 2011 08:01 GMT
#21286
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 09 2011 16:30 pwnopotamus wrote:
Just got back from the live event at Ontario Convention Center and I wanted to share my thoughts regarding the long delays due to player intros before each match.

We didn't see any of the intros at the convention center. It seemed like the casters were just stalling for time as the players got situated and set up. I assume there was some sort of video package that the stream got to watch during this time. I never got the feeling we were waiting on a video to finish before the match starting. I think the main reason everything took so long was because the players needed to set up their mouse/keyboard, install drivers, etc... It was amazing how long it took the players to get set up before each match! I guess the computers just kept crashing or having difficulties every time someone tried a new keyboard or something.

I think the long delay between matches had more to do with technical difficulties while players were setting up than purposeful video intros and caster small talk.

On July 09 2011 16:34 johnnyspazz wrote:
wow, that really sucks if they didn't play the intro videos for the live crowd. that is seriously fucked up.


They tried to play the first one (Ret vs. Puma), but only the audio worked. After that, they just gave up and didn't even mention them again. I just assumed they sacked the whole thing until I read on TL that the stream was getting to watch the videos.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 09 2011 08:01 GMT
#21287
On July 09 2011 16:41 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.


If NASL cannot improve within the amount of time that's between S1 and S2, there won't be any viewer base left.




lol kid 40,000 people watched today. You wish the viewer base would leave if they don't improve, because then you and the rest of teh whiners could point to it and say "I was right." In reality, though, your prediction and most of your complaints are exagerrations. Behind the veil of anonymity that the internet provides, you vented your negativity with no filter. Unfortunately this is something that Esports and TL.net will never be able to escape.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 09 2011 08:02 GMT
#21288
On July 09 2011 16:59 eqez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.



But thats a bit to hard for american ppl.



lol
Thallis
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
July 09 2011 08:03 GMT
#21289
On July 09 2011 16:41 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.


Another thing that undermines professionality is the casting and the interviews. If you have flown Day9 and Tastosis over to your venue, let them cast it. Especially when there has been harsh critiques for your own casters. The questions for the interviews should pertain to the games that have just been played (IE: Why'd you choose to do x against player y?). Instead, the questions were the same ones for pretty much every player, and it was clear the interviewers didn't really know that much about SC2. I'd love to have seen a SC2 player/caster do the interviews (I wouldn't care if inControl or Gretorp would have done that, they'd at least know what to ask).


I actually think that this set up is much better for the casters. Today's action went on for pretty long, and when you've just flown over from Korea a couple of days ago, you're just not going to have the energy. I'm pretty sure they talked to Tastosis about their comfort level, how many games they wanted to cast each day, and other things like that. I think this schedule works a lot better for the casters than the 3 straight days that was MLG.
/)*(\
Pri1230
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom148 Posts
July 09 2011 08:03 GMT
#21290
On July 09 2011 16:50 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:48 johnnyspazz wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:37 Duravi wrote:
do you remember the gsl world championships? there wasn't as much uproar over the tournament format when players such as white-ra, sen, moonglade, morrow, and jinro got eliminated in a single bo3 in a 16 player single elimination tournament. all those players were also flown to korea.


Nice try but there was a team competition, THEN a tournament after it, neither of which required several months of league play to get into.

how does that change anything?


Well, you work hard all season and spend money to fly over there from your own sponsers/pocket BECAUSE you worked so hard. Then it all ends in a flash.

GSL WC was not only 0 investment before the actual tournament, but it was literally 0 investment because GSL payed for everything as well as housing, etc.

These two are completely different.


And they get to go to korea to train, that in itself is a huge benefit.
Ashworth
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom185 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 08:04:41
July 09 2011 08:04 GMT
#21291
On July 09 2011 17:01 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:41 Doctorbeat wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.


If NASL cannot improve within the amount of time that's between S1 and S2, there won't be any viewer base left.


lol kid 40,000 people watched today. You wish the viewer base would leave if they don't improve, because then you and the rest of teh whiners could point to it and say "I was right." In reality, though, your prediction and most of your complaints are exagerrations. Behind the veil of anonymity that the internet provides, you vented your negativity with no filter. Unfortunately this is something that Esports and TL.net will never be able to escape.



The negatives were not exaggeration, it was terrible for what I could watch. I stayed up till about 1 am before I got tired. They even invented new problems I've never seen before, I literally couldn't watch the first 2 BO3 because I got motion sickness because there was no cursor....

How can they be so ignorant of the qualities needed to make a successful event.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
July 09 2011 08:04 GMT
#21292
nasl..well it can only get better in upcoming seasons. i hope they still exist in a couple of years.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 09 2011 08:04 GMT
#21293
On July 09 2011 16:59 eqez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.



The thing is you get really irritated at these fuckers just throwing up a bunch of money and hyping a big event WHEN THEY DONT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. Start small ffs, For example the recent HSC was the 3rd HSC, they tried it out first. Dreamhack has been organizign LAN events since the 90. They know they can deliver the tournament they announce. But thats a bit to hard for american ppl. Just like the CGS all again



You get "irritated at those fuckers"? Why are you that worked up about it?
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
July 09 2011 08:04 GMT
#21294
On July 09 2011 16:59 eqez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:08 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:15 Morta wrote:
Even the Homestory Cup was better then this mess,seriously(and that was made in a flat with less people!).Actually HSC was awesome,here and there a little little problem but NOTHING against this mess right here. >.<


Production of HSC was awesome. Great cameras and angles, top notch sound, well organized, colaboration with a pub. They had a tiny budget compared to NASL and most of the crew weren't even professionals and they still made it run so smoothly.


You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them.
GSL has years of experience in doing live events
MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes
Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time
NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event

Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture.



The thing is you get really irritated at these fuckers just throwing up a bunch of money and hyping a big event WHEN THEY DONT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. Start small ffs, For example the recent HSC was the 3rd HSC, they tried it out first. Dreamhack has been organizign LAN events since the 90. They know they can deliver the tournament they announce. But thats a bit to hard for american ppl. Just like the CGS all again


They started small, it was called the Gosu Coaching Premier League, you might have watched it at some point, it was cast by inControl and Gretorp, It was run by Xeris, the prize pool was paid for in part by revenue gathered from Gosu-coaching that is reinvested in order to ensure a healthy tournament scene because that's a healthy tournament scene is a useful thing toi have when you run a coaching business.

Maybe you see where I'm going with this...
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 09 2011 08:07 GMT
#21295
Wow, Darkforce hwaiting!

What were his games like?
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
July 09 2011 08:07 GMT
#21296
darkforce sen select as foreigners?

only 1 non asian ?


darkforce hwaiting!!!
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
July 09 2011 08:10 GMT
#21297
Haha go darkforce!NASL indeed :-P
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
July 09 2011 08:11 GMT
#21298
On July 09 2011 16:45 ketomai wrote:
I was going to complain like everyone else in this thread but it's already pretty obvious what they need to do. However, on a positive note, the games (especially darkforce vs alive) were good. Of course you should expect that from the player list you have brought in, but still, NASL needs some encouragement .


I think the delay in games was for the players. plenty of breaks lead to better games, letting players get ready and all that. Making sure everything is ready and set up
No Artosis, you are robin
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
July 09 2011 08:15 GMT
#21299
hope Sen can make it really far

he is very good just like any koreans out there
Somnolence
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania127 Posts
July 09 2011 08:15 GMT
#21300
OK production values were awful but what about the event itself.

I cannot fathom why any non-korean would wish to participate in this event, waste their time battling in groups for months, fly to another country only to be owned in several minutes.
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