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charliewinsmore
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darlhet
Italy548 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:30 pwnopotamus wrote: Just got back from the live event at Ontario Convention Center and I wanted to share my thoughts regarding the long delays due to player intros before each match. We didn't see any of the intros at the convention center. It seemed like the casters were just stalling for time as the players got situated and set up. I assume there was some sort of video package that the stream got to watch during this time. I never got the feeling we were waiting on a video to finish before the match starting. I think the main reason everything took so long was because the players needed to set up their mouse/keyboard, install drivers, etc... It was amazing how long it took the players to get set up before each match! I guess the computers just kept crashing or having difficulties every time someone tried a new keyboard or something. I think the long delay between matches had more to do with technical difficulties while players were setting up than purposeful video intros and caster small talk. Why didn't they set the drivers up before the event? -_- | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote: You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them. GSL has years of experience in doing live events MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture. The thing is that NASL is compared with all those great quality leagues because it wants to be in that list. If you have $50k prize money, and you want to play with the big boys, you make damn sure to have the same production quality. It's so hard to understand why the prize money is so big, but they couldn't fit a proper audio engineer in the budget. NASL had many options. They could hire professionals unrelated to SC2 scene, or they could even hire the Craftcup guys or iCCup people. Hiring your (girl)friends and buddies does not make things look professional at all. It gives people the impression that you rather have your friends working there than provide the customers with a good product, when the NASL started off with everyone raving about it's huge budget. Imo, if NASL really wanted to start tourneys in SC2 and they wanted to do it with unexperienced people, they'd first have those people as apprentice for a big event so they can learn how it is done. Plus, it would have been far better if NASL started out small. Just small weekly tourneys for <$500. Another thing that undermines professionality is the casting and the interviews. If you have flown Day9 and Tastosis over to your venue, let them cast it. Especially when there has been harsh critiques for your own casters. The questions for the interviews should pertain to the games that have just been played (IE: Why'd you choose to do x against player y?). Instead, the questions were the same ones for pretty much every player, and it was clear the interviewers didn't really know that much about SC2. I'd love to have seen a SC2 player/caster do the interviews (I wouldn't care if inControl or Gretorp would have done that, they'd at least know what to ask). In conclusion, if NASL wants to be a professional and competing league, they need to step it up really fast. When MLG Dallas had it really bad, they improved vastly in a matter of months, and Columbus was a shining beacon of success. If NASL cannot improve within the amount of time that's between S1 and S2, there won't be any viewer base left. | ||
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RykuX
1200 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:18 Duravi wrote: yes I actually paid for it. well they did improve they had several problems all season that continue to show their face in the end of season tournament. it has been nowhere near the turnaround MLG had at any point this season. improving from terrible to slightly below average is not something I want to recognize as legitimate improvement, if you do, continue to send money Xeris' and NASL's way next season! Sir MLG had many many mistakes before they began to correct themselves and truly improve let me direct you to this mans post On July 09 2011 16:14 zolii wrote: You forgot to mention that HSC had years of experience and knowhow of ESL TV behind them. GSL has years of experience in doing live events MLG has experience now cause the have learned on their mistakes Dreamhack has experience because they have been doing this for quite some time NASL has experience because... of wait they don't because this is their first major live event Just give them some slack - they will improve and stop hating without considering the whole picture. Yeah they do deserve some slack there's nowhere to go but up from here | ||
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blacksheepwall
China1530 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:14 Duravi wrote: Please people I encourage you. DO NOT PAY for NASL season two. Whatever you say here will fall on deaf ears, your subscriptions are your true vote. If you actually want them to get better you have to put financial pressure on them. I was actually pretty impressed with their response throughout the day. They were also monitoring chat pretty closely and trying their best to sort stuff out. The only legitimate issue that I think they should attempt to address is the long delays between games. 12 hours for 8 Bo3s is pretty ridiculous, but I'm sure they'll streamline as time goes on. EDIT: On July 09 2011 16:41 DarkMatter_ wrote: Lack of experience is a poor excuse. Having such a large prize pool and yet failing at some basic things like getting a decent observer is just inexcusable. It just shows negligence and horrible organization on their part. It's fully understandable if most of the issues with the tournament were due to some kind of unexpected and unforeseen problems, but how can they screw up in nearly every single aspect (the lag-free stream and good video quality was one of the few positives) This is actually a pretty well-reasoned critique now that I think about it. It seems as though they were caught a little off-guard but what exactly hosting a live event of this magnitude would entail. I still think that it was alright today and I'm sure they'll only improve as the weekend goes on. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:39 darlhet wrote: i didnt watch the games , but how did whitera lose versus select? He went dt robo and fast expand simultaneously and missed the FF when select did a 2 rax. Then in game two he just got far behind and did 2 base colossus timing and it didn't work. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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bigbeau
368 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:42 RykuX wrote: Sir MLG had many many mistakes before they began to correct themselves and truly improve let me direct you to this mans post Yeah they do deserve some slack there's nowhere to go but up from here So if I charge people money and give the worst possible service I can, it's alright because there's nowhere to go but up? Not saying the NASL was the worst possible, but that logic doesn't work when you're charging people that are expecting a certain production value. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:37 Kintaran wrote: Those games were alive being terrible and throwing the match away. Puma's nearly flawless disposal of Ret is worth watching for the perfection of execution. Summarily terminating a player of Ret's caliber with such clean play is instructive AND entertaining. Actually, you're right. Darkforce vs. Alive had longer/closer games but the level of play wasn't very high. The games by July and Puma were probably the most pleasing to watch. | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:39 darlhet wrote: i didnt watch the games , but how did whitera lose versus select? game 1, tried dt-robo-expansion all at once, in the order, within a span of like 2 minutes. If you know how SeleCT plays (aggressive), he did his standard pressure with like 4 mauraders and 8 marines, forced WhiteRa to cancel his expansion. WhiteRa missed a forcefield on his ramp and SeleCT ran up and roflstomped WhiteRa (he had like 2 zealots, 1 stalker, and 1 sentry vs a MM ball). game 2, WhiteRa loses 1 stalker and 1 zealot trying to do early pressure, gets a Maurader down to like 1 hp but doesn't kill it (loses 2 units to nothing). SeleCT opens with a reaper, kills a sentry and a couple of probes, drawing back WhiteRa's units from his ramp. The pressure from the bottom of the ramp gets another sentry. WhiteRa makes a few more sentries and expands. Select knows WhiteRa can't pressure because he lost too many units, so he takes an expansion to his gold. WhiteRa techs to collosus, and moves out with a small-medium sized collosus ball. He spots the gold, but SeleCT has an entire Maurader ball + medivacs + fast vikings (scouted the robo). They trade armies, but SeleCT comes out the winner because now he gets a free gold and WhiteRa can't pressure because he lost all of his collosus. WhiteRa does a pretty neat move, moves up into Select's production buildings and forcefields the ramp while he takes out some buildings, but the vikings have whittled WhiteRa down to just 1 very damaged Collosus, 8-10 stalkers, and 1 or 2 zealots. The forcefield runs out and the sentry gets killed and SeleCT reenters his base, cleans up, and WhiteRa calls GG. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:37 Duravi wrote: Nice try but there was a team competition, THEN a tournament after it, neither of which required several months of league play to get into. how does that change anything? are you upset at the whole season format leading into a 16 player single elimination tournament? that's a completely different discussion. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
Well, you work hard all season and spend money to fly over there from your own sponsers/pocket BECAUSE you worked so hard. Then it all ends in a flash. GSL WC was not only 0 investment before the actual tournament, but it was literally 0 investment because GSL payed for everything as well as housing, etc. These two are completely different. | ||
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Bombmk
Denmark95 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:40 tyCe wrote: Why didn't they set the drivers up before the event? -_- I believe some of the players are quite specific about keyboard and expecially mousedrivers(down to the version number in some cases). So stuff probably need to be uninstalled and installed between games. | ||
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RykuX
1200 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:45 bigbeau wrote: So if I charge people money and give the worst possible service I can, it's alright because there's nowhere to go but up? Not saying the NASL was the worst possible, but that logic doesn't work when you're charging people that are expecting a certain production value. Are we talking about the live event alone? or the whole season because I think the season went well they improved it was enjoyable imho however they had issues from their first live event and deserve slack due to the simple fact they had no prior experience this being their first live event and all. I think it was money well spent the event is not over as well remember lets wait until all is said and done before such harsh criticism. | ||
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