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lol @ comparisons of ladder. You basically saying the top pro's of NA are only as good as EU plat players? I lol @ your idiocy. Blanket statements are a logic's best friend.
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On July 05 2011 22:21 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:20 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:16 kheldorin wrote:On July 05 2011 22:10 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:04 kheldorin wrote:
OMG...Artosis misanalyzed that so much.....You need that zealots to save gas for the templar switch. HongUn is not stupid. He's going for the longer game. He knows collossus would not be good in the long run so that is why he got charge zealots and armor upgrade. You misanalyzed what he said. Hongun was clearly aiming for a game that goes a little longer, the point is that supernova had a 5 minute window to just fly in and kill all the colossus and thats what artosis was talking about and why he didnt like what supernova was doing -> biding his time until he got killed. He literally had no ranged units for like 5 minutes, nothing couldve stopped those vikings killing the colossus, and once the colossus are gone, nothing couldve stopped the ground army of supernova to kite the zealots all day long. He warped in those archons in the last few minutes of the game, just when he moved out to attack. It was extremely risky and thats exactly how artosis explained it, because it was. Except HongUn can warp in stalkers at any time at any place. He cant warpin anything as he did spend all his gas on the colossi and thermal lance, and when he stopped doing that he produced high templar. Watch the vod and look at honguns gas. It was never above 100 and most of the time it was close to zero. Tell me how many stalkers you can warpin with zero gas. Indeed. What? He was banking gas for templar tech. He had PLENTY of gas since he build mainly zealots.
I'd need to check the Vod (which obviously isn't up yet) but for most of the time where he was on 2base he was VERY low on gas. He did colossus, lance, charge and +1 armor at the same time, that does cost a lot.
He made his templar archive and saved up for archons once his 3rd was up and he had 4 colossi. At that point he almost certainly had a stockpile (for the minute or so when his archive was building). Before that point he spent his money almost perfectly on the unit composition he was building, so no i do not think he could have suddenly warped in 6 stalkers from his gates.
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On July 05 2011 22:23 Sleec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:22 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:16 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:14 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:10 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:04 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:03 NguN wrote:On July 05 2011 22:01 Sleec wrote:
Sigh...Hongun is using Archons to kill the vikings, does Artosis really think Hongun is this stupid? ... Explain the big 5 minute timing where he didn't have templar tech and no anti-air, and Supernova had 8+ Vikings. It's not hard to just warp in a bunch of stalkers it actually is, he could have sniped those 4 colos easily, even if he lost half of his vikings it wouldnt matter, and in reality he'd probably lose 1-2 even with warping in 3-4 stalkers Are you people serious or trolling? You really think Hongun is gonna be that stupid and allow for a bunch of vikings to just snipe he's collosi, like I just said he had an obs on he's army, he can easily see when the vikings are coming, he can run he's stalker in front to engage the Vikings before the vikings are even near the collosi 20 stalkers dont even protect 7-8 colossus in a 200 max terran army with pure marauder/viking those 8 vikings he had could kill colossus in 10 seconds, 5 stalkers (4warped in beforehand cause of observer) kill vikings waaaay slower. Why are people like you even replying without seeing my other posts. Having 6-7 stalkers to deal with 8 or so vikings is much different from a 200 vs 200 battle considering 20 Vikings could 1 volley a collosi. So I don't know how that has anything to do with this specific game where it was no where near that number try it in your unit tester, I lost 3 or 4 vikings (8vikings total) against 5 stalkers while killing the 4 colo, and that was even without the terrain advantage he could have used LOL, read my previous posts about stalkers engaging the vikings before they reach the collosi before making such a terrible post.
The Terran has a ground army you know...
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On July 05 2011 22:24 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:22 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:18 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Nice ad hominem. Are you honestly trying to tell me that you can kill 8 vikings with 5 stalkers before they have sniped a colossus? If so i'd like to play your version of SC2 since it obviously isn't the standard game everyone else is playing. During the second drop Hungon ran his 3 colossus straight in to stop the drop, without any anti-air in sight. If Supernova had had his Vikings in position at the edge he could have sniped 2 of them from a range where stalkers can't even move. Frankly that's standard terran tactics, try to split up his army and snipe the exposed parts. Maybe next time you'll answer the point of my post instead of trying to brag with your league ranking. And again, you seem to ignore my post about being able to run the Collosi back and warping in the stalkers to engage the vikings before they can even reach the Collosi. The only thing you said correct was when he did the drop, yes he could've killed every single Collosi at that moment. He can take his army with vikings and attack... Dead Colossus or running Colossus, it doesn't matter
If there was any threat of an actual attack he would've just started warping in more stalkers, or in this case HTs to make archons.
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This is the problem of casters who don't play a a high level. I miss homestory cup.
I doubt Socke, Hasu or White-Ra would have bashed on HongUns playstyle for ridiculous reasons. "This tactic is bad" That just sounds obnoxious when he's completely rolling the opponent.
No Terran is ever just gonna fly 6 Vikings alone over to the protoss base. You need like 2-3 scans to be completely sure that there are no stalkers anywhere and if you just lose a few vikings for nothing it takes too long to reproduce and cuts even more inteo Medivac production.
A Fullout push from Supernova wouldn't have worked either because his composition fails miserably against mass Zealot + Sentry and later Archon and HongUn was prepared with his observer.
How the hell was that super risky. People just blindly repeating what tastetosis preach?
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On July 05 2011 22:12 usethis2 wrote:
The final game was decent. People tend to get swayed by whatever Artosis says way too easily. Like someone mentioned, I thought all the while Hongun was forcing vikings in order to go mass zealots. It was painfully obvious and Hongun is probably No. 1 stalker lover in the entire GSL. He did NOT forget about them.
Yes it was a risky play but it's all part of the game, and not all terran decides to just send vikings across the map just because of one scan did not reveal many stalkers. Especially when Hongun is known for blink stalkers.
But the thing is, people don't play starcraft purely based on the tendencies of the other person. Sure, advanced strategies involve people playing the mindgames that way and develop strategies countering their tendencies. But supernova just screwed up, when you scout something ridiculously vulnerable, you take advantage of it. Hongun build wasn't one of those builds with very subtle small timings that are ridiculously hard to hit. It was ridiculously risky and should not have been viable at this level of play. Supernova fucked up probably because he was nervous/ overestimated his opponent.
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On July 05 2011 22:23 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:19 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:15 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry sir, you are the one that doesnt know what he is talking about, whether GM or not doesnt matter. Hongun had no stalkers whatsoever, it was mass zealots and 4 colossi until the last minute of the game in which he warped in a few archons. There was no antiair to kill the vikings for 5 minutes, such a big timing window and supernova just bided his time until that window closed. Nothing else to add, hongun played extremely risky, but supernova failed hard and lost it. Btw NA GM is of the same level as EU PLATINUM, so stop being such an elitist, because you arent. lol NA GM is not EU Platinum, THAT is the most elitist, stupid comment I've ever seen. And btw, the supposed Grand Master Sleec is from Australia, which is on SEA, which is pretty weak though. In other words: he is a plat in EU and says that's the equivalent to North America GM because he doesn't want to admit your game knowledge is better.
Stop making assumptions as to what peoples intentions are.
Im masters on EU, and actually, most of the GM NA players are even below silver calibre.
Deezer comes to mind, combatex comes to mind... shall i go on?
GM NA sucks and thats all there is to tell about it.
Just a bunch of allining noobs that go for 1 base plays and try to get some ladder points.
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Without having seen the games I still like the results. More variety in the later stages will be more entertaining than a mass of TvT. All the players involved are insanely good so not particularly fussed about anything except avoiding all Terran right now.
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On July 05 2011 22:08 Qaatar wrote:
Wow...I think today is a perfect example (along with MKP's group, and countless past GSL's) of why Code S Ro32 needs to be Bo3 in the same group format.
Just as a counterpoint: both MC and July in Dreamhack, had their games been Bo1's in the group stages, wouldn't have even made it out of their group.
Agreed. Its just way too easy to come up with a single uncommon strat/cheese to beat a way more skilled player in a best of 1, doing it in a best of 3 is a completely different ballgame. This format just creates too many upsets and knocks out too many amazing players that you sometimes eventually end up with people like inca in the finals.
Its really sad that its probably statistically far more difficult for a gsl champion/top tier player to make it through the round of 32 than the round of 16 or even 8. Pretty much the opposite of what you would expect in any other tournament.
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On July 05 2011 22:25 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:23 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:22 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:16 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:14 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:10 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:04 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:03 NguN wrote:On July 05 2011 22:01 Sleec wrote:
Sigh...Hongun is using Archons to kill the vikings, does Artosis really think Hongun is this stupid? ... Explain the big 5 minute timing where he didn't have templar tech and no anti-air, and Supernova had 8+ Vikings. It's not hard to just warp in a bunch of stalkers it actually is, he could have sniped those 4 colos easily, even if he lost half of his vikings it wouldnt matter, and in reality he'd probably lose 1-2 even with warping in 3-4 stalkers Are you people serious or trolling? You really think Hongun is gonna be that stupid and allow for a bunch of vikings to just snipe he's collosi, like I just said he had an obs on he's army, he can easily see when the vikings are coming, he can run he's stalker in front to engage the Vikings before the vikings are even near the collosi 20 stalkers dont even protect 7-8 colossus in a 200 max terran army with pure marauder/viking those 8 vikings he had could kill colossus in 10 seconds, 5 stalkers (4warped in beforehand cause of observer) kill vikings waaaay slower. Why are people like you even replying without seeing my other posts. Having 6-7 stalkers to deal with 8 or so vikings is much different from a 200 vs 200 battle considering 20 Vikings could 1 volley a collosi. So I don't know how that has anything to do with this specific game where it was no where near that number try it in your unit tester, I lost 3 or 4 vikings (8vikings total) against 5 stalkers while killing the 4 colo, and that was even without the terrain advantage he could have used LOL, read my previous posts about stalkers engaging the vikings before they reach the collosi before making such a terrible post. The Terran has a ground army you know...
Yet people were arguing to me about how Vikings could've just flown across the map and killed the collosi, they didn't say bring the ground army. Contradicting yourself now, are we?
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On July 05 2011 22:26 gh0un wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:23 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:19 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:15 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry sir, you are the one that doesnt know what he is talking about, whether GM or not doesnt matter. Hongun had no stalkers whatsoever, it was mass zealots and 4 colossi until the last minute of the game in which he warped in a few archons. There was no antiair to kill the vikings for 5 minutes, such a big timing window and supernova just bided his time until that window closed. Nothing else to add, hongun played extremely risky, but supernova failed hard and lost it. Btw NA GM is of the same level as EU PLATINUM, so stop being such an elitist, because you arent. lol NA GM is not EU Platinum, THAT is the most elitist, stupid comment I've ever seen. And btw, the supposed Grand Master Sleec is from Australia, which is on SEA, which is pretty weak though. In other words: he is a plat in EU and says that's the equivalent to North America GM because he doesn't want to admit your game knowledge is better. Stop making assumptions as to what peoples intentions are. Im masters on EU, and actually, most of the GM NA players are even below silver calibre. Deezer comes to mind, combatex comes to mind... shall i go on? GM NA sucks and thats all there is to tell about it.
In other words: I am a plat in EU and I like to lie for no reason in LR threads.
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On July 05 2011 22:24 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:22 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:18 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Nice ad hominem. Are you honestly trying to tell me that you can kill 8 vikings with 5 stalkers before they have sniped a colossus? If so i'd like to play your version of SC2 since it obviously isn't the standard game everyone else is playing. During the second drop Hungon ran his 3 colossus straight in to stop the drop, without any anti-air in sight. If Supernova had had his Vikings in position at the edge he could have sniped 2 of them from a range where stalkers can't even move. Frankly that's standard terran tactics, try to split up his army and snipe the exposed parts. Maybe next time you'll answer the point of my post instead of trying to brag with your league ranking. And again, you seem to ignore my post about being able to run the Collosi back and warping in the stalkers to engage the vikings before they can even reach the Collosi. The only thing you said correct was when he did the drop, yes he could've killed every single Collosi at that moment. He can take his army with vikings and attack... Dead Colossus or running Colossus, it doesn't matter
That's an even worse move. HongUn's army would crush SuperNova especially when at that point in time his ground army sucked and his medivac count is low. And HongUn with warpgate can reinforce faster in his base that SuperNova could in his. HongUn does not mind losing the collossus he was transitioning off them anyway.
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On July 05 2011 22:26 gh0un wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:23 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:19 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:15 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry sir, you are the one that doesnt know what he is talking about, whether GM or not doesnt matter. Hongun had no stalkers whatsoever, it was mass zealots and 4 colossi until the last minute of the game in which he warped in a few archons. There was no antiair to kill the vikings for 5 minutes, such a big timing window and supernova just bided his time until that window closed. Nothing else to add, hongun played extremely risky, but supernova failed hard and lost it. Btw NA GM is of the same level as EU PLATINUM, so stop being such an elitist, because you arent. lol NA GM is not EU Platinum, THAT is the most elitist, stupid comment I've ever seen. And btw, the supposed Grand Master Sleec is from Australia, which is on SEA, which is pretty weak though. In other words: he is a plat in EU and says that's the equivalent to North America GM because he doesn't want to admit your game knowledge is better. Stop making assumptions as to what peoples intentions are. Im masters on EU, and actually, most of the GM NA players are even below silver calibre. Deezer comes to mind, combatex comes to mind... shall i go on? GM NA sucks and thats all there is to tell about it. Just a bunch of allining noobs that go for 1 base plays and try to get some ladder points.
You just named 2 cheaters and hackers...
Oh and watching some KR streams, apparently like 60% of KR players just 1 base all in (Terran players at least). I guess the KR ladder is bad to.
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On July 05 2011 22:19 Sleec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:15 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry sir, you are the one that doesnt know what he is talking about, whether GM or not doesnt matter. Hongun had no stalkers whatsoever, it was mass zealots and 4 colossi until the last minute of the game in which he warped in a few archons. There was no antiair to kill the vikings for 5 minutes, such a big timing window and supernova just bided his time until that window closed. Nothing else to add, hongun played extremely risky, but supernova failed hard and lost it. Btw NA GM is of the same level as EU PLATINUM, so stop being such an elitist, because you arent. Doesn't matter? People in masters league and higher SHOULD be the only ones commenting, since people in lower leagues will spout nonsense that has happened to them in bronze league. Again, another idiot that didn't read my posts, having an obs with Supernovas allowed Hongun to play risky and be able to react if he saw vikings moving toward his Collosi, he could just move them back and warp in stalkers and engage the vikings while the Collosi are no where to be seen. And no NA GM is comparable to high level masters of EU, I've played both.
Great another idiot that didn't read MY posts. As i said you are either talking about a different game all together or at least didn't watch the match we are talking about.
Note his mighty observer somehow seems to have missed 2 seperate drops, so forgive me if i take your words with a grain of salt.
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On July 05 2011 22:25 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:23 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:22 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:16 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:14 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:10 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Talho wrote:On July 05 2011 22:04 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:03 NguN wrote:On July 05 2011 22:01 Sleec wrote:
Sigh...Hongun is using Archons to kill the vikings, does Artosis really think Hongun is this stupid? ... Explain the big 5 minute timing where he didn't have templar tech and no anti-air, and Supernova had 8+ Vikings. It's not hard to just warp in a bunch of stalkers it actually is, he could have sniped those 4 colos easily, even if he lost half of his vikings it wouldnt matter, and in reality he'd probably lose 1-2 even with warping in 3-4 stalkers Are you people serious or trolling? You really think Hongun is gonna be that stupid and allow for a bunch of vikings to just snipe he's collosi, like I just said he had an obs on he's army, he can easily see when the vikings are coming, he can run he's stalker in front to engage the Vikings before the vikings are even near the collosi 20 stalkers dont even protect 7-8 colossus in a 200 max terran army with pure marauder/viking those 8 vikings he had could kill colossus in 10 seconds, 5 stalkers (4warped in beforehand cause of observer) kill vikings waaaay slower. Why are people like you even replying without seeing my other posts. Having 6-7 stalkers to deal with 8 or so vikings is much different from a 200 vs 200 battle considering 20 Vikings could 1 volley a collosi. So I don't know how that has anything to do with this specific game where it was no where near that number try it in your unit tester, I lost 3 or 4 vikings (8vikings total) against 5 stalkers while killing the 4 colo, and that was even without the terrain advantage he could have used LOL, read my previous posts about stalkers engaging the vikings before they reach the collosi before making such a terrible post. The Terran has a ground army you know...
Well now we're discussing the scenario which is: vikings flying over to the enemy army sniping colossi - and full engagement of both armys at the same time AND mixing things up.
Interesting.
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On July 05 2011 22:26 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
This is the problem of casters who don't play a a high level. I miss homestory cup.
I doubt Socke, Hasu or White-Ra would have bashed on HongUns playstyle for ridiculous reasons. "This tactic is bad" That just sounds obnoxious when he's completely rolling the opponent.
No Terran is ever just gonna fly 6 Vikings alone over to the protoss base. You need like 2-3 scans to be completely sure that there are no stalkers anywhere and if you just lose a few vikings for nothing it takes too long to reproduce and cuts even more inteo Medivac production.
A Fullout push from Supernova wouldn't have worked either because his composition fails miserably against mass Zealot + Sentry and later Archon and HongUn was prepared with his observer.
Everyone makes mistakes and I do agree that HongUn played that nicely (there were definitely holes which Supernova could have exploited better but that's is true for any game really), but Artosis plays Toss on Masters Level in Korea. I may be a nublet myself, but that is pretty darn high level to me.
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On July 05 2011 22:28 Sleec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:26 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:23 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:19 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:15 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry sir, you are the one that doesnt know what he is talking about, whether GM or not doesnt matter. Hongun had no stalkers whatsoever, it was mass zealots and 4 colossi until the last minute of the game in which he warped in a few archons. There was no antiair to kill the vikings for 5 minutes, such a big timing window and supernova just bided his time until that window closed. Nothing else to add, hongun played extremely risky, but supernova failed hard and lost it. Btw NA GM is of the same level as EU PLATINUM, so stop being such an elitist, because you arent. lol NA GM is not EU Platinum, THAT is the most elitist, stupid comment I've ever seen. And btw, the supposed Grand Master Sleec is from Australia, which is on SEA, which is pretty weak though. In other words: he is a plat in EU and says that's the equivalent to North America GM because he doesn't want to admit your game knowledge is better. Stop making assumptions as to what peoples intentions are. Im masters on EU, and actually, most of the GM NA players are even below silver calibre. Deezer comes to mind, combatex comes to mind... shall i go on? GM NA sucks and thats all there is to tell about it. Just a bunch of allining noobs that go for 1 base plays and try to get some ladder points. You just named 2 cheaters and hackers...
Sorry to disappoint you but there arent any good macro players on NA GM except the occasional pro you can face.
And even most of them arent that good. Minigun comes to mind... shall i go on?
GM NA is nowhere near EU bronze.
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Sleec is right. If Nova somehow knew there were no stalkers and started to hunt colossi it would have been just another game episode with initiative on his side but certainly too minor to decide the winner.
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On July 05 2011 22:22 thepuppyassassin wrote:
lol NA GM is shit.
Well Sir you better post your profile before you make a statement as shitty as this
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On July 05 2011 22:29 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:19 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:15 gh0un wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry sir, you are the one that doesnt know what he is talking about, whether GM or not doesnt matter. Hongun had no stalkers whatsoever, it was mass zealots and 4 colossi until the last minute of the game in which he warped in a few archons. There was no antiair to kill the vikings for 5 minutes, such a big timing window and supernova just bided his time until that window closed. Nothing else to add, hongun played extremely risky, but supernova failed hard and lost it. Btw NA GM is of the same level as EU PLATINUM, so stop being such an elitist, because you arent. Doesn't matter? People in masters league and higher SHOULD be the only ones commenting, since people in lower leagues will spout nonsense that has happened to them in bronze league. Again, another idiot that didn't read my posts, having an obs with Supernovas allowed Hongun to play risky and be able to react if he saw vikings moving toward his Collosi, he could just move them back and warp in stalkers and engage the vikings while the Collosi are no where to be seen. And no NA GM is comparable to high level masters of EU, I've played both. Great another idiot that didn't read MY posts. As i said you are either talking about a different game all together or at least didn't watch the match we are talking about. Note his mighty observer somehow seems to have missed 2 seperate drops, so forgive me if i take your words with a grain of salt.
Why would he be able to spot 2 drops, that would mean he would have to have like 5 observers all patrolling the airspace in between the bases. Stop posting.
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