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On July 06 2011 05:58 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea
Yes, Nestea, best in the world by a mile would struggle version foreigners in LAN, sure they were decimated by his apprentice Losira but would Nestea do the same?
No one cares about laggy online tournaments. They mean nothing.
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oh thank god NaDa made it!!!!!!
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On July 06 2011 05:58 LawnMower wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand.But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Funny I didn't realize Nestea played with his foot vs Dimaga.
Six pooling is indicative of skill.
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On July 06 2011 06:18 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 05:58 Olinim wrote:On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea Nestea said he doesn't want to play in online tournaments anymore for the very reason you said "isn't much of a factor." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227420"- What do you think about the foreign online tournaments? I don’t think I can do online. I don’t want to give any excuses, but I get really angry at the lag. Because of the lag, I don’t think I want to be in any online tournament in the future. It causes me a lot of stress without a lot of payoff. "
why is this even an argument? he's clearly better than nearly every single foreigner player....also i think his loss to dimaga was some weird build order win in one of the games that cost him the series haha.
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aww yeaa love Zenio vs Byun. As usual, great game from them.
Tasteless says "I really think this is going to change the matchup".
That's what we all thought when they played in group stages 3 seasons ago on terminus.
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On July 06 2011 06:24 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 06:18 shockaslim wrote:On July 06 2011 05:58 Olinim wrote:On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea Nestea said he doesn't want to play in online tournaments anymore for the very reason you said "isn't much of a factor." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227420"- What do you think about the foreign online tournaments? I don’t think I can do online. I don’t want to give any excuses, but I get really angry at the lag. Because of the lag, I don’t think I want to be in any online tournament in the future. It causes me a lot of stress without a lot of payoff. " why is this even an argument? he's clearly better than nearly every single foreigner player....also i think his loss to dimaga was some weird build order win in one of the games that cost him the series haha.
It's still an argument because some people are just willfully ignorant and want to believe that foreign players can actually compete with Nestea consistently in LAN by using results where Nestea is screwed by lag as a justification. Their arguments are terrible. Just because MC can win tournaments with laggy settings doesn't make the settings fair. It just means that Nestea probably doesn't perform as well in laggy settings as MC does, and it means nothing about actually establishing validity to results in laggy settings. Indeed, many other arguments for dismissing or understating lag are equally fallacious, such as "Oh, (Korean) beat (foreigner) in this online game so lag isn't that big a deal!" No, it still is - it just means that the Korean won with a handicap. Like people mentioned before, Nestea said himself that he's not going to participate in online tournaments anymore because the lag makes him too angry, which implies that it messes him up a lot.
This is why I get so annoyed when foreigners beat players like Nestea in online tournaments. It's not because of the result itself, but because the willfully ignorant will constantly use those results to argue that the foreigner scene is close to or on par with the Korean scene (oh look, our players can beat Korea's best!) when it's obviously not.
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What people don't realize about lag for some reason is, not only is it a delay, but it affects your mind set. Things are not going as they have for thousands of games, and the only way to fix is that is to practice in environments (er on servers) that lag like they will in the tournaments. It doesn't just delay, it makes some people just play like shit, decision-making, strategy, all that.
Also realize that the latency for Koreans playing in Korea is most of the time under 10ms, almost never over 20, so going up to 500ms which is what it averages KR -> US is crazy. For me in NA, playing on NA I get 100 ms no matter what. So going up much higher isn't so much of a stretch.
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On July 06 2011 06:42 mikyaJ wrote:
What people don't realize about lag for some reason is, not only is it a delay, but it affects your mind set. Things are not going as they have for thousands of games, and the only way to fix is that is to practice in environments (er on servers) that lag like they will in the tournaments. It doesn't just delay, it makes some people just play like shit, decision-making, strategy, all that.
Also realize that the latency for Koreans playing in Korea is most of the time under 10ms, almost never over 20, so going up to 500ms which is what it averages KR -> US is crazy.
Ugh, I remember a topic in which I tried to make that point so many times, and some people just didn't want to believe me, thinking that lag ONLY affects micro. Then IdrA came in and told them they were stupid.
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lol is it that embarrassing to be filmed?
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Poor MvP...but NaDa is the man still and will win this Code S July
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It is Nada's time to shine. Sadly, MVP is not performing well as of late though.
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Holy fuck that Nada build vs. Keen was siiick
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On July 06 2011 06:22 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 05:58 LawnMower wrote:On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand.But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Funny I didn't realize Nestea played with his foot vs Dimaga. Six pooling is indicative of skill.
Alright, while I think Nestea is the better player, ignoring facts like Dimaga beating Nestea in a macro game and also in a build order game.. therefore winning the series in a strategical way isn't something you can just write off simply because you are a bigger fan of Nestea.
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On July 06 2011 06:21 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 05:58 Olinim wrote:On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea Yes, Nestea, best in the world by a mile would struggle version foreigners in LAN, sure they were decimated by his apprentice Losira but would Nestea do the same? No one cares about laggy online tournaments. They mean nothing.
I guess his games vs dimaga were meaningless also. I was merely pointing out that the things in the post I responded to were untrue and saying "nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand" when he's done nothing but lose to them is hilarious.
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On July 06 2011 07:45 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 06:21 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 06 2011 05:58 Olinim wrote:On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea Yes, Nestea, best in the world by a mile would struggle version foreigners in LAN, sure they were decimated by his apprentice Losira but would Nestea do the same? No one cares about laggy online tournaments. They mean nothing. I guess his games vs dimaga were meaningless also. I was merely pointing out that the things in the post I responded to were untrue and saying "nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand" when he's done nothing but lose to them is hilarious.
You're not only pointing out untrue things. You're making a terrible argument for why online results do indeed matter. I believe that I refuted it a few posts back, so if you want to respond to that then please do. Of course, Dimaga beat Nestea - that is an undeniable fact. But it's pretty much the only time a foreigner has beaten Nestea in LAN, and your argument for why Nestea wouldn't generally destroy foreigners in tournaments is a bad one, since it relies on online results. Look at what LosirA did at MLG (LAN, I might add). You don't think Nestea could pull off the same thing, when Nestea is basically a stronger version of LosirA? (this isn't just speculation, look at their winrate stats)
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On July 06 2011 07:45 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 06:21 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 06 2011 05:58 Olinim wrote:On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote:On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote:
I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl.
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars.
MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today.
I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team.
But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea Yes, Nestea, best in the world by a mile would struggle version foreigners in LAN, sure they were decimated by his apprentice Losira but would Nestea do the same? No one cares about laggy online tournaments. They mean nothing. I guess his games vs dimaga were meaningless also. I was merely pointing out that the things in the post I responded to were untrue and saying "nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand" when he's done nothing but lose to them is hilarious.
Nestea is the best zerg in the world, and in a poll would probably be voted the #1 best player in the world. If you're the best player in the world, you beat everyone, foreigner and korean alike. He would destroy anyone that's not a top, top foreigner.
edit: And online tournaments don't matter. Koreans have to wake up at a sh*t time, wait for god-knows-how-long, and play with latency over 100x what they're used to.
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Can we leave off arguing about whether or not NesTea can roflstomp foreigners into the ground until he has actually done so? It's pretty much a pointless discussion.
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On July 05 2011 22:36 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:33 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:22 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:18 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:13 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:11 Tula wrote:On July 05 2011 22:08 Sleec wrote:On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.
Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo. there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ Obviously since you post something like that. Countering Vikings with Stalkers only works if you have decent amounts. If you have 4-5 Stalkers without blink the vikings will almost certainly snipe 1 or 2 without any losses. Esp. If you pull the Colossi out of position with a drop or 2. I'm in GM, what league are you in? Since you have no idea what you're talking about. Nice ad hominem. Are you honestly trying to tell me that you can kill 8 vikings with 5 stalkers before they have sniped a colossus? If so i'd like to play your version of SC2 since it obviously isn't the standard game everyone else is playing. During the second drop Hungon ran his 3 colossus straight in to stop the drop, without any anti-air in sight. If Supernova had had his Vikings in position at the edge he could have sniped 2 of them from a range where stalkers can't even move. Frankly that's standard terran tactics, try to split up his army and snipe the exposed parts. Maybe next time you'll answer the point of my post instead of trying to brag with your league ranking. And again, you seem to ignore my post about being able to run the Collosi back and warping in the stalkers to engage the vikings before they can even reach the Collosi. The only thing you said correct was when he did the drop, yes he could've killed every single Collosi at that moment. right i'll simply ignore you since you insist on being a troll. Hungon gambled on his opponent being too passive to make use of the massive window his build gave him and he gambled correctly. Go back to your dream land where instantly massive amount of units appear without any warpin time or gateway cooldowns never mind the ressources needed to build units instantly. And i'll go back to playing the standard game everyone else is. Please explain this massive window open to Supernova to me. He would never engage that without a high enough viking account, which creates a window for HongUn to do whatever he wants. Viking production takes over medivac production which means the ground army is even weaker than it would be. HongUn cripples the strength of the ground army while forcing at least an equal resource expenditure of vikings to make up for the cost of the colossi. Since so much of your resources are devoted into chargelots you also have the gas to constantly chronoboost out upgrades. The addition of archons makes it so that while marauders have to kite the chargelots (which takes a lot more apm than amoving your chargelots) the medivacs will lag behind the stimmed kiting army. Archon speed is superior to medivac speed so they will kill all of the medivacs. Archons can also hit the kiting marauders eventually. When they have stimmed a ton to avoid your chargelots, and their medivacs are gone, you back off with your chargelots, warp in more, and continue. Then you can resume colossi production because they have to decide whether or not they are going to make medivacs or vikings. If you scout vikings being made, you can cut colossi production and they have useless vikings and no medivacs. Without medivacs they won't be able to stim and kite unless they feel like putting their entire army into the deep red. If you scout medivacs being made you continue to product colossi. Huk showed this style on his stream and said oGs protosses are playing around with it a lot.
I totally agree with this.
Huk explained this in details in his stream. Especially the Archons vs Medivacs part.
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as a new sc2 player, wow this is the first time i've been floored by nada's play
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