EPT[GSL] July Code S ro32 Day 3 - Page 105
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:33 usethis2 wrote: Yep. It's their "Know-it-all" attitude that bothers me most. They have zero humility despite calling themselves "professional SC2 players". And sadly they get the pass all the time whether they're right or wrong, rude or nasty. They need an open/humble mind to look at the games and strategies, executions, instead of some predetermined bias. No. What they are doing is fine. WHy do you think they were polled as the best casters? Because they are good at what they do. Wheter it be bias, rude, or nasty, they are the best commentators. I literally stopped buying gsl season passes when people like kelly, moletrap, doa, wolf, qxc cast. I mean most of them are pretty good casters most would agree, but its not tastosis. I would not pay 15+ dollars unless i get to see tastosis 24/7. | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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OooLong
Canada98 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:48 Brotatolol wrote: Really surprised to see sC and MVP knocked out this early, they were the two people I thought would advance from their group. Nvm it's still undecide | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:49 adeezy wrote: Why is Nada so ridiculously good.... More importantly, how is he so jacked? | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
Wait no he's not he doesn't advance. ^I'd like to know too. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:47 koolaid1990 wrote: No. What they are doing is fine. WHy do you think they were polled as the best casters? Because they are good at what they do. Wheter it be bias, rude, or nasty, they are the best commentators. I literally stopped buying gsl season passes when people like kelly, moletrap, doa, wolf, qxc cast. I mean most of them are pretty good casters most would agree, but its not tastosis. I would not pay 15+ dollars unless i get to see tastosis 24/7. You voice your opinion. I'm voicing mine. I know Gom monitors these threads. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:06 s4life wrote: Not really everyone, but I guess they are the most hyped players nowadays, the ones that get more invites and have longer coattails.. the problem is many new players currently in code S, A and B could kill them in any BoX. A few months from now, none will think of them as even being top 10 imho. LOL at Nestea not being in the top 10 in the world in a few months time. MC is still way ahead of other Protoss players and Bomber/MKP are still posting good and consistant results (consistant by Sc2 standards). MVP is slumping hard but his play is still really solid (unlike say FruitDealer, Jinro, Ensnare, Rainbow), I think he'll come back at some point. I'd love to know who you think are better players than Nestea, MKP, MC and Bomber. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars. MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today. I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team. But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote: I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team. Foreigners tend to get completely outclassed by the best of the best Koreans. Occasionally the foreigners win but generally Bomber, Losira, MMA and MC have stomped foreigners pretty hard. | ||
Poopi
France13022 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:38 QTIP. wrote: To be entirely honest, (regarding Tastosis' harsh critique of Hongun) I think alot of it came from the fact that Artosis was hyping Supernova's TVP ("best in the world!") the entire time, only to watch him lose 2 straight games to one of the weaker protoss' in code S. I'm sure its a bit tough for him to swallow and commentate. Instead, he flips it around by talking about all the negatives of Hongun's play, rather than Supernova's inexplicably bad TVP. This is why we should not judge someone "skill" in a certain matchup with such a small sample size. SuperNova came out of code A with a 6-0 record in TvP (and has beaten Alicia) and all of a sudden a lot thought that he was the best in TvP (there was a topic about best terran in TvZ/TvP/TvT). The thing is that only a few players have played enough games (and since the game and players are consistently evolving past results don't tell that much) to allow us to see how really good they are in these matchups. I'm sad that Mvp didn't go through, I stopped watching after he destroyed sC with mech play, expecting him to crush Zenio :/. Anyone that have seen the games, his losses (against both Zenio and Byun) had more to do with BO1 or he is just not as strong as before in TvT/TvZ? But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. -_- | ||
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:58 Micket wrote: I think what people were saying in terms of consistency was that, a player like Nestea, who is amazing, got knocked down to the up and down matches, loses 1st round in every online tournament he enters, loses to Dimaga in his best matchup and then wins a gsl. MC, loses to Jinro when going 2 base carrier, wins a gsl, wins dream hack, loses first round in gsl, wins Copenhagen, loses to thorzain, loses first round in gsl, does well in foreign tourneys including winning star wars. MVP wins a GSL in the most dominating fashion out of all winners, drops down to code A, wins gsl, loses 2nd round super tourney, loses 1st round today. I think GOMs format is not the best. A team match of code B vs GSL winners (sans FD) would not be a complete blowout compared to 4 not so famous guys vs Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain. In fact, I think there are few combinations of foreign players that could beat this team. But Puma, DRG, MMA and someone else (gumiho, guinea pig, hack, hwangsin etc.) would have a big shot of beating the gsl champion team. Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. But they really should make group stages BO3, after that many times where Mvp, MKP, MC and NesTea are eliminated in ro32. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. | ||
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Isken
Korea (South)1131 Posts
It looked like a horror film where the killer does not just shoot at you and outright kills you, but takes a dagger and stabs so many times that it could be R-rated.  | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
As for Group F I am so glad Nada and HongUn made it out. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Puzzle, Coca, Byun, Kyrix (who i still think is good vs T/P just sucks vs Z), Line (Who should be good, once he gets over his nerves) Im actually not as sold on Zenio. While he deserved his win on Crossfire felt like he lucked out a bit on TerminusRE. Got a bit lucky with that engagement, also feel that if Byun had taken his 4th just a bit faster he would have had the econ to overpower Zenio. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote: Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea | ||
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LawnMower
Sweden557 Posts
On July 06 2011 04:13 noddy wrote: Nestea entered one online tournament, and it was the TSL. Really, don't judge any of the Koreans because of that. They weren't used to the lag. Nestea would destroy every single foreigner with one hand. Agree with this so much. It's sad that Code A is bo3 yet Code S remains bo1. Bo1 favours the lesser players so much, I think we'd have much more consistent players if it was just bo3. Funny I didn't realize Nestea played with his foot vs Dimaga. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:26 Cel.erity wrote: What a ridiculous statement, of course not everybody accepts that. MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP are the players with the best results, but not necessarily the best players at this exact moment. MVP especially is easily the most overrated player in the world; he has been losing everything and still everyone acts like he's the best Terran in the world. Bomber? He hasn't done anything besides win code A, in basically nothing but TvTs. Anyway, valid arguments can be had, but don't go speaking for everyone in the world in your posts.  So if it isn't results that decide who are the best players in the world, what is it? Of course that at this exact moment there are players stronger than the Big 3, but that doesn't make them the better players in the long run. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:58 Olinim wrote: Stop being so pitifully misinformed. nestea has participated in 3 online tourneys, and has done horribly in all 3, and MC won in a tourney he was in, so obviously lag isn't as much of a factor. Your statement about nestea destroying foreigners is OBJECTIVELY untrue. Considering his pitiful 33 percent international winrate. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/29_NesTea Nestea said he doesn't want to play in online tournaments anymore for the very reason you said "isn't much of a factor." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227420 "- What do you think about the foreign online tournaments? I don’t think I can do online. I don’t want to give any excuses, but I get really angry at the lag. Because of the lag, I don’t think I want to be in any online tournament in the future. It causes me a lot of stress without a lot of payoff. " | ||
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